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Dissociation? how to help deal with it ?

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does anyone really struggle with memory loss, like i barely remember my life i really have no childhood memories except a couple and then there’s the flashbacks. but weeks could go by and i don’t remember anything i did, or said sometimes. people will say things that i did or said and i don’t remember ? is that strange ? idk. i really have jus started getting into truama therapy so dissociation has been mentioned but i really don’t know a whole lot about it, but it’s defiantly something i know i have done my whole life to deal with everything.like spaced out not connected to my body, not connected to my feelings or my memories. also feel like i am not real or other people and things seem so weird foreign and not real. or i speak and my voice sounds unfamiliar. i’m often left feeling confused. do you guys have any tips on how to help in these moments? thanks..
 
does anyone really struggle with memory loss, like i barely remember my life i really have no childhood memories except a...
I rememember for most of my 20s I was completely dissociated from my past sort have had no concept of what had happened were I had come from or were I was going ..I was living in this very dissociated present with no awareness of these previous selfs. I think in dissociation there is a lot of running away going on ..running away from feelings ..bodily sensations memorys, people places and things..ultimately though its running away from your self. in my own experience I have been making a sort of journey back to myself . getting back in touch with bodily sensations feelings...after I got a bit stronger I have been practicing some exposure therapy by visiting places I was traumatised to re connect with the memorys and paint a picture of what happened ...be careful though its a process and only do what you feel ready for or it gets to overwhelming
 
I had never heard of it. Didn’t know what it meant. Kinda how I stumbled on this forum when I realised I couldn’t remember 6 months of therapy. As an over achiever that was a bit of a shock. Ouch. So awareness is the first step I think. Just noticing. Your T should work with you on recognising and managing the dissociation before you dive any deeper. My psychologist is so lovely but after a good go at it she’s realised she is out of her depth and has referred me to a psychiatrist who - in our first few appointments - has made me appreciate the concept of going slow. It helps the dissociation so be sure your T can help you stay present in session and out. That is their job.
 
Hey, sorry you're struggling with this. I do too. I'd also never heard of it... here's what I understand.
I view "dissociation" as a bit of an umbrella term.
The memory loss stuff is called "dissociative amnesia" and is pretty common in trauma. In fact one of the symptoms listed in the DSM is inability to recall key parts of trauma.
I don't remember much of my teenage years, stuff I've said and done, so I just tend to pretend I do around other people. Works for me.
Then there's "dissociating" in general. This can probably be split into three subtypes. Depersonalization - not feeling like you, feeling like the person doing things isn't you, generally not being the person in charge of your body.
The second is derealization - feeling "surreal" or unreal, or like what happened isn't real. Like everything's a movie or a videogame or some whack fever dream, is how I experience that.
The third is dissociation.
I call it "dialing down the awareness." I think it's more of a spectrum - I think about it as like a volume knob on reality.
Dissociation is a protective mechanism in your brain. It's more common for people with developmental trauma, relational trauma or multi-event trauma.
When the source of the trauma can't be escaped, your brain protects itself by escaping it's own way.
I have a mode I call DAF (dissociated as... use your imagination). In this mode, I don't know where I am, what I'm doing, and I don't remember squat. DAF-me is a problem - it wanders off and breaks things, including itself, most recently the bones in my left hand which sucks cos I'm a muso. That's a pretty extreme example of what can happen, but it does happen to some people.

Dissociation is actually visible on EEG as a brain pattern, which is super interesting to me.
There's a few things that help, and there's some great threads on here with lots of grounding tips.
 
people will say things that i did or said and i don’t remember ? is that strange ?
That isn't part of my experience with dissociation, but I am co-conscious. What that really means is that I go into a dissociated state but am still aware of what is going on. As a matter of fact, I am more clear when dissociated.

If one isn't co-conscious then I think it is part of the gig to suffer from dissociative amnesia, which means when one dissociates one cannot recall what transpired. It is like some sort of steel wall in between the dissociated states.

I had a friend who suffered from this amnesia stuff. She had small children and was very concerned re what was happening as she interacted with the kids. We came up with a plan to set up a recording device so that we could see what was happening and perhaps even find the trigger.

She had a young one who pulled her hair. That was it. We came to the conclusion that tying her hair back might be a plan. It worked.

So I am going to say find a good T who really knows what they are doing with dissociative behaviour (which you may already have) and dig in.

Part of it all is being able to retrieve yourself from a dissociative spell. That will be much more difficult with your amnesia issues. Maybe discuss that with your T as well.

I used to suck on super sour candies and super hot cinnamon balls. I found that I had to really overwhelm one of the senses to pull myself back from dissociation. I also had help from supporters because there were tell tale signs that I was going dissociative. I would rub my eyes some times and other times I would turn my right foot in while I walked. My supporters would see that and either remind me to take a candy or slip one in my mouth when I wasn't looking. It would shock the hell out of me but it would get my diaphragm going again which pulled me out of the state.
 
This is really interesting and a bag full of things. I have had two very distinct lives. My childhood from 0 to 18 and my real life from 18 to today. Very very distinct. The first full of chaos and crimes against me and very sporadic memories (the further the less recall at alll) and the second life, I have a bag full of a lot of mistakes, bad decisions and so on but solid grounds through out.

I only became aware of my dissociation and spacing out when I visited a therapy last year. I am specially interested in recognizing your voice.

this is what worked for me and I do not know if it will work for you or anyone. First you have to be committed to this process. honestly I do not think anyone can do anything significant without motivation and commitment.

Zero alcohol or drugs or anything that is mood altering substance (not sure you take meds) but I was not.
Find a free few weeks of breathing meds. The body needs to relax.
Be compassionate to yourself. say this every morning. Thank you, I love you. I forgive you. I am lucky. over and over every time I have a moment of quiet that I think I will wonder out to dissociation.

and a good therapist! Of course.

the thing about the voice for me was that as I woke up from the fog (as you are asking this question), I felt for the first time in my life, I sounded as if I am in panic. You know how some people sound like they are still 2 yrs old ( I always wonder what happened to them to be stunted in that age). I digress. I sounded like I was in panic. Of course not yelling and screaming but deep, adapted voice of panic nevertheless. I remembered asking my therapist and my husband about if they notice. Of course not cause they are not inside of me to see what I feel or notice. Anyhow, I realized, that was not my voice. It was a voice I adapted in order to let go some deep painful feelings as a toddler, child and young adult. I did not change but recognizing it and feeling that deep sadness attached to it, my voice just changed naturally. I am not kidding you here! all of sudden people started to ask me to repeat things because I was more whispering than yelling or panicking as I used to. I was like what!!!!!! I could not hear myself even LOLOL I just fell into my natural voice before I was in panic or meant to have. I just took a turn.

I am sharing this with you because (and maybe you meant metaphorically) you said you do not recognize your voice or something like that.

That change made me belief, I could recover from this trauma fully. I have to be conscious of it but the body/mind make the ultimate change. I just have to want it and hope for it deeply. So that is how I got my voice back....
 
Thanks @grit that is really interesting!
Is there anything I could read, books or articles or whatever, to understand that further?
 
Thanks @grit that is really interesting!
Is there anything I could read, books or arti...

When I noticed others noticing the change in my voice, I frantically started to search and look for research or books that talk about impact of voice development during trauma. Believe it or not. None! I did find one article that was just a bit closer. I will look for it (I found it after googling for hours so I do not remember it at all) but I will post it here.

I think voices change during puberty so if one is under extreme stress and abuse (which at that time was extremely heightened), the voice development will be disrupted. but I do nto know for sure. All I can say I do not have that panicky, intimidating voice anymore. It does come out when I am angry though. I can see it now.
 
Is your therapist teaching you grounding skills? I’d google it and search this forum. (There are too many to list in a thread.)
 
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