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Eliminating Exposure To Ptsd For Others' Sake?

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((((((((((((Junebug)))))))))))). Communication can be so difficult. I am so sorry about the puppy. You are not an ass, your sister has not communicated to you either. Coming from the same family both you and your sister would have learned from the same rules. Might this be a time for the two of you of you to set up open communion. Hugs, Whitney

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Ah Junebug, I think I understand better. It wasn't your dog and your sister was the one that instigated the fostering it seems. I could not understand what gave her the right to take your dog away from you. And if I am understanding it was a fostering with the understanding that they would go back and not an adoption. But when you both wanted to adopt they would not let you as this woman had already done so.

I am sorry and can only imagine the pain and disappointment. It's difficult when we struggle to let anything in in the first place. It doesn't in any way mean that you are a less valuable person and don't deserve love and to love something of course. That is the old tapes that are telling you that.

Maybe you and your sister can adopt a puppy? I know it won't be them but it could be a dog on your own. If I was you I would do it and it be mine so that I have a say over what happens to it and noone else.

:hug:
 
@Abstract, I was thinking the same thing. As her sister is in such a unhealthy relationship it would be something they could work on their relationship. Mending fences so to speak. Neither of them deserve the outside forces of the times.

The sisters boyfriend is the bad influence. A puppy for them to raise and love with shared comittment is a wonderful place to start.

JMHO as well. Whitney
 
.. your sister has not communicated to you either. Coming from the same family both you and your sister would have learned from the same rules.

Thank you Dear Whitney. To complicate matters, I don't know if she has ptsd, by her behaviours I mean, a person on this forum once told me it wouldn't be so unusual being we went through a lot of the same things together/ grew up the same. Exactly true, what you said about learning the same rules. And being the most similar (internally/ emotionally/same kind of hearts) as sisters, we were very close until 2006.

What I mean by communication, is when we were both on the same page as to wanting to adopt, I thought the obstacle was financial, she thought it was commitment. Turned out it was neither. However, what was not an issue of communicaton, was that she swore she would not become attached/ it would be easy to give him up. I knew from my own experience, and knowing her, that it would not be, and said so. In fact, I said "please do not tell me you are so out of touch with yourself, or your own feelings, or recognizing how you 'are', that you really believe that (that she wouldn't)?" But she swore so. Almost like denial. :( She has apologized repeatedly since then, but there is no need, that is not her 'fault'. What else could I say, I accepted (at the start) that it would just cause me sorrow (when he went) because she was sayng she didn't want to adopt, only foster. But again, like denial, she had things written on the calender (in the future) as though we would still have him(?) :(

One thing I do recognize- just like that example (study) in "Psych 101"- when someone 'demands' you do something, you are exhausted, they take responsibilty, etc, you 'go along' (and I'm meaning the dog organization woman, not my sister). Even my sister's bf said they are 'full of sh*t', to be honest that's a relief as they are. It's an appeal to emotion they use, more so than anything else. Men (in general), or just less-sensitive/ less soft-hearted/ more 'rational' people recognize that earlier. As to the people, God Bless them, I don't think they have a clue what they're getting in to, because of breed tendencies and training if you want non-destructve dog, but that's not my business.

I have learned or thought of, a tremendous amount of things during this. Perhaps she can say the terrible things she does (more so in the past) because she, like above, really believes it would mean nothing to her (emotinally) if I were dead. Similarly, far as SI goes, or even self-harm, both I feel/felt like because of pain. Is managing the pain (or not being able, I should say) my fault?

Not to mention this job is emotionally draining. And they've added more palliative work yet.

And I've always been sensitive (her as well). I realize also people do not 'feel' the same; for example, when someone's pet/ dog/ cat dies, for some people it's grotesque- no different than losing a family member, really. :( But it's the same reason people who feel like that run in to their house on fire to save it. I remember my dad being horrified he thought he even accidntally killed a bird. :( Yet, though I feel that way about my own pets, I do not 'feel' the same about other's when their's die (though I feel badly). :( So I realize asking for 'help' about this is not a big deal or any deal to most people you would ask. But my friend didn't care, and the trouble being it's the person I told about the ptsd, and that makes me so wish I had never said anything at all. And worse yet, promised 'no SI' to, too, which makes me feel like I never should have, and so my 'promise' should be moot. Perhaps that's the (my) mind's way of 'justifying' S(I), or maybe just recognizing I never had to make that promise, if they never cared less or wished I'd 'disappear', knowing all these problems I 'blabbed'about.

And a guy named Ron Rolheiser wrote (I read) a good article on SI July 28th (saw it the othe day). He writes about that stuff. He's right, in my estimtion, what he said. That others are ashamed of it, too.

And just like saying too much there, I've felt like I've said way too much here (the forum). I feel fear, paranoid, regret, shame.

And thinking of how the dog place operated, reminded me of a 'bad date' wherein I ended up here (on the forum). I remember asking myself "how did I end up here?" (the circumstances), then recognized what he 'did' (it had been ater 7 months of saying 'no' to going out with him, no food (on date), was exhausted, his idea we walk all over, etc, I really couldn't avoid him (daily) ). He blamed me later, that it was because "I smiled at him". And I remember afterwards, like now, thinking maybe I'd have no problems (in 'general') if I just 'went along with it", stop fighting anything any more.

And I thought the only way to carry on or not feel sad is to not think about it (the dog), which I do but not subconsciously), even if reminders feel like a punch in the guts and sorrow. And I remember how terrified I was at 14, when it was becoming obvious these things happening to me (flashbacks etc). And I tried to never think of any of it then, too, including the flashbacks etc. But really, what's the option? Especially if no one wants to hear.

So mostly it's opened up a whole bag of worms, regret, sadness, questions.

Thank you Whitney, with all my heart. (((((((((((Whitney))))))
 
Junebug, I so understand the pain and suffering that you have. I feel the brick wall for you. Nothing has ever shown you nor have you experienced relief.

What is the point? You deserve to be shown and nurtured. To experience in life that change can happen. I am so sorry your family has failed you both miserably. We can lead a horse to water but we can not make them drink.

Your shoulders are not big enough to carry both of you. We can truly only do for ourselves and hope to set an example. Babysteps. I am wondering if you have considered an intervention for your sister?

I feel it would bring the support you both need. A third party would remove your sister blaming you. No, it is not easy but something needs to change to give you relief. You are sacrificing yourself and well being when you so deserve a better life.

JMHO, You can throw this in the trash, I do care about you. The times I have given up are the times I was on the edge of moving forward. Fear of the unknown is scary. You are not alone. I wish I could teleport through the Internet and give you a real hug! Sending you clarity and peace for the days to come. Allow yourself to grieve. Behemoth Hugs, Whitney
 
It's difficult when we struggle to let anything in in the first place. It doesn't in any way mean that you are a less valuable person and don't deserve love and to love something of course. That is the old tapes that are telling you that.

((((((Sweet Abstract))))), thank you. :hug: Yes, you understand exactly, the only addition to add being we had first choice to adopt, though it was so sponatneous they didn't give time to think. We asked 24 hours later, and (as also) the people had expressed it wasn't the breed they 'really wanted', but that was that. We did adopt a severly abused one 2 years ago, she is most beautiful and I love her to pieces, but it is my sister's dog and by that I mean she takes her everywhere, including out of town every other weekend, usually. And they are "one-person owners", by that I don't mean she loves me less, she won't even eat until everyone is home, therefore we have to feed her twice/ day. But that means they have to focus on one and branch out. You know how they show dogs when their owners get home from military leave? This one does that in 5 minutes (or less) with my sister. :inlove:

We just couldn't put this dog/ ourselves through looking for another. We have a fine line to walk because she was so abused and shut down it would have to be one that plays (most don't) and doesn't make her feel she's replaced.

Yes I agree, my sister's bf was very abusive before, not sure how (or more specifically 'why') that improved, but it has. But she has said she is half-in/ half-out of the relationship (though maybe that's denying her feelings too, just like above, as they've been together many years), and that she didn't care what he thought about adopting the 2nd dog (he prefers going on his new motorcycle so didn't want to, she said "to heck with him"/ she didn't care).

Oh yes, I can't imagine another tape. It is no longer a tape, only a (the) reality in which I can never imagine another.

((((((Dear Abstract)))))).
 
Aw Dear Whitney- teleport. :) How very sweet you are! :inlove: :hug:

Well genuinely Whitney, we have no one else, no family and as for friends well, everyone feels it's no one's business of course. And you know this stuf's all 'hidden'. Especially since we have some mutual friends/ co-workers. Plue is a very very 'functional' drinker, more functional or giving than people who don't drink. The bf has his own (the same) problem. She has even said (before) that she knows if she quits drinking that would be a deal breaker for him. When she tried he sabotaged it, of course. They've had huge battles because she won't driver drive with him) drunk. But it's still her life, and probably a lot (much) to do with self-medicating, just a symptom of other, really.

I don't know 'where' or 'how' forward is any more Whitney. I hope I figure it out.

((((((Gigantic hug for you)))))), xoxoxox.
 
:) Hope is a wonderful door opening. The tape I know so well. I use the 5 second rule when it starts playing. Focusing on knowing this is past programming. That I am here in the now. Replace the tape with a thought of today. Something new and positive. Or I have a new day to experience something.

Worm's, regrets are the pent up feelings that are beneficial to release. Emptying the cup so to speak. Whether you choose to post in your diary or on a paper tablet. Releasing them from your mind leads to the facts of what is troubling.

I am sorry you have regrets for posting here. We have a report button if you ever feel someone is attacking. Just because someone has an opinion they are not entitled to judge without facts. I truly feel on the Forum, we are more genuine and caring.

The extremes of safety for members are the monitoring by Staff and Moderators. I hope you never need that button but wanted to let you know it is available.

I know we have days of OMG did I really post that. I laugh at myself, yes I did and I needed to set it free. Funny how many comments of understanding and compassion arise.

Set it free, let it out however you feel comfortable; we truly care. We are all learning and growing. :tup: Whitney
 
Hi Junebug,:hug:

I think some people don't have that deep love of animals that others do. To me they are family but many don't feel that way. Yes, it can be like loosing a family member. :( I don't think that means that the person is going to be uncaring about everything just because they may care for animals in a more conventional way though. I am very sorry he let you down.
if they never cared less or wished I'd 'disappear', knowing all these problems I 'blabbed'about.
From what you have said before there is every reason possible to think that he is a trustworthy person and cares about you and what happens to you. Are you sure he did not care about this happening to you now? Did you ask him? Has he ever done anything to makes you think he "wishes you would disappear"? Do you think that might be what you think about you?

I am sorry you are feeling like that on here too. Is it to do with you loosing your puppies or is it to do with everything (your father etc)? What do you think people are thinking or what do you think could happen?

I don't know if it helps at all but neither of my siblings have PTSD. I don't know of my brother having experienced trauma although he also grew up in our very dysfunctional household, but my sister has. She is also the one out of the two of us that has anger issues, lashes out at others and can be abusive. Although my father almost surely had a personality disorder and had a traumatic childhood and many incidents in adulthood he didn't have PTSD either. That startle reflex was missing amongst other things.

I hope your sister doesn't have it for her sake. Regardless though, it isn't OK for her to say the things she says to you and it is awful for you to be continuously hearing them.

So although I understand what you meant Whitney :) I think for me I would never share a pet with my sister as she would be sure to use it at some point to hurt me and I would care too much to risk that. I would want total say and am realistic about what my sister is like and try to keep my happiness independent from her as much as possible. For both our sakes. It took an huge mass of therapy and work to get to be able to do that though.

:)
 
Dear Abstract, no I was likely right. But am sure it will feel good for him to cut out the dead weight.

I agree wholeheartedly, re: a dog, (etc etc etc), was not, as it may sound, an act of imprudent thinking or denial or wishful thinking, more a (semi-doomed) choice to try to just 'live' despite it, since waiting for there to be an opportunity for it to change won't be likely coming any time soon.

Thank you for everything, ((((((((Dear Whitney)))))))))))), (((((((Dear Abstract)))))))))). :inlove: :hug:
 
((((((Junebug))))))
Eeek, I lost my whole post. Just want you to know I am thinking about you.

The friend should be ashamed of himself. I am sorry you ever crossed paths. He needs to educate himself or zip the lips. I am sorry he was so invalidating, please don't feel shame for asking for help. I find so many are so lost in there own world of ignorance that they don't hear. They do not listen.

Shame, Shame on him. I am installing a zipper on his lips. :inlove: :hug: Whitney
 
@Abstract, I understand your comment about wanting your own puppy.

As we have sisters in a living arrangement who have been close before, I am looking for common ground between for rebuilding trust.

Healing the wounds that have separated two caring people. JMHO Whitney
 
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