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Gaslighting: Protecting Yourself

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Also...dysfunctional people aren't safe to open our feelings to, because they don't accept our right to our feelings, and they use that knowledge to keep invalidating us.

We do need and deserve validation. It is very healing to experience this from safe people. It makes the inappropriateness of our abuser's behavior stand out in stark relief.
 
ITrying to get validation from the parents who should have protected us isn't 'liking conflict' but a natural attempt by our psyches to heal deep wounds. If they changed and responded different, we'd not feel like it's unfinished business.

Accept none of their criticism, dear (((((Phillipa)))))....they have a defensive agenda that isn't concerned with what is best for you.

Deepen your relationship with supportive people and yourself, and your needs will be met.
 
Awww...thankyou so much for that. It softened me and helped me to relax a little more.

I sometimes have trouble letting myself receive that support from people who really do get it though? Is that normal?

I can see their words, but I don't always feel the effect straight away. Sometimes, but not always. Sometimes I like to revert to acting as though I don't really need any support, and used to perceive that as weakness, which I know I got from my parents...my father in particular. But then obviously I act out and try and get that support from the people I know aren't capable of giving it to me.

I feel like I am slowly getting better at letting myself be supported emotionally, it's just not something I'm very used to at all.

Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack the thread or make it about me...things have just been really at the surface for me lately, and I just really needed to talk about that. So thanks again for all your support lovely Bloomin'.
 
I am wondering about the differences of being a victim of gaslighting and being diagnosed with ptsd. Although I have been diagnosed with ptsd, the more I read about gaslighting and its effects, I am beginning to think that I have been the victim of gaslighting and once broken down, have been traumatized to the point of developing ptsd. I have told my T that ptsd does not feel quite right for me, at least in part.

More than abused growning up, it was important to remain invisible, or being no trouble to anyone, even though I always was. Being 10 minutes late was a catastrophy. If I couldnt follow the rules, I would need to move elsewhere (age 13-17)

Fast forward to age 25-40. I was never my husbands priority. Everything else was, the job, then sports, the relaxation, etc. Eventually, after many years of hurts, we seperated. Our daughters were 12 and 14. The 12 yr old timid, the 14 yr old a bit dramatic. She teetered on gaslighting back then. My sisters stopped speaking to me because I chose seperation, although they had basically no contact with my kids, they said I should stay together until kids grown. So they chose to not speak to me. Very revengeful.

My 14 yr old played a game between me and her father, often gaslighting behavior. She was verbally abusive regularly and escalated to physical violence on 2 occassions. Yet she would say I was psycho, demean my job and career, sabatoge my work, loose my work on my computer, etc. When she was 16, I got her a reception job with the agency I worked for. She talked about me like I was crazy. Once I was looking for a skirt that I could not find. Since she borrowed my things, I asked her several times about it. She denied having it. I later found it in her closet cut up-she was going to use it for a costume. If she did not get her way, she would call daddy and say Im crazy. Years of this undermining left me with doubt about myself. At the same time, I dated a sociopath which is a story in itself. He was charming and doting, and comforting while my daughter acted out. She wanted him out of the picture. Eventually he was and daughter was happy for a short time. He pointed out her abusive nature, and dramatic attacks, and he was a seasoned therapist.

Ten years later, she tells me what I sense or perceive is wrong very often. Once mad at me, she said she might have stopped pmt on the wrong check and the check she wrote to me might be returned stop pmt. My intuition told me it was a lie. She did this because I came in late with my friend after listening to a band and our barking dogs woke her. I also ate a piece of her shrimp. She told her dad I brought a party home at 3 am. (big exageration). He dad jumped me about it. She denied stopping pmt deliberately until I proved it. I have felt that she sabatoged many things for me, my work, relationships with friends, dates, etc.

I no longer work or date or do anything but slave in this house. When she comes home, she calls the shots and if she doesnt get her way, I get punished. I feel sabatoged by my own family. How can I trust. I have no confidence left. I dont trust my intuition. Her and her father seem very content with my brokeness. Now I just dont know how to get it back. I have caught her lying many times. The most recent is that she had a job interview a couple of years back (internship). She said the person said I was a troublemaker from standing up to injustices in our community. She said she lost all respect for this man. I felt such shame and pain but goal was comforting her. Now I come to find out that this person never said such.

I am so tired and drained that I dont want to go on. I can trust nobody. Im sorry for babbbling but I feel very desperate at the moment. My life (once happy and full) is meaningless. I pray that someone will repsond with words of wisdom.
 
(((((Brat)))))

What jumps out at me is how triggering their behaviors are to you. In myself, it usually has turned out the's an unprocessed memory coming up in the present and besides just feeling the irritation at the current misbehavior, I am also weighed down by that trauma.

You've got traumas upon traumas, but cannot move forward with processing until job one - your safety - is assured.

Nobody can thrive in an invalidating environment. I hope you'll consider moving out to your own place where you get to make the rules and live the way you wish to.

You're not doing your kids any good by them getting to see you constantly mistreated.

If nome of the '...but' s were in play, where would you like to go? How would you like to live? What hobbies would you pick up?

It all begins by imagining better things for ourselves. You are not a prisoner in that house like you were as a child. You have resources and choices, now.

It is all open to you.

My best suggestion is to put what's good for you first....and they can all adjust. They don't have to like it.

;)
 
Thanks Bloomin.
Where what and how would I be. I have no hope or imagination left. In 2001, Elton John concert in town, I could not go unless I lied to miss a 5 hour class. I would not do that. Was on my bucket list. I hated not being able to go. Am going tomorrow and dont even want to. Seems so burdensome. I get excited about nothing. My ex got the tickets and asked me months ago. We still own a home together and are amicable-usually. But when I catch my daughter in a big fat lie, she will hold out til the end. He gets mad at me and says how can I accuse her of such. Then when the truth comes out, he excuses that behavior and says I over-react. I know he paid $300 but I dont even wanna go. When Im around him too much, he eventually tries to kiss me or says something inappropriate (we are not sexual), even though I have explained that I have not been able to be sexual in several years following trauma. He says he understands, then does some dumb arse thing. He has never had my back. He has modeled for our kids and I guess I am resentful. My daughter, before going to law school, worked at sabatoging me for years. I think this has something to do with the 80 pounds that she has gained in 2 years also. They are both in denial. They think I am the sick one with ptsd, and I do have a problem with compuslive gambling. Its my addressing this that has brought out so much emotion.

I just want to stay in bed and stay warm. There is nothing I want anymore. She has gotten money from both of us for the same thing in the past. She is going to have a rude awakening when she gets a job and starts paying back loans. I am worried about her well being as she continues to gain weight.

I have always kept things to myself as I dont want sympathy. Yet I do not enjoy anything anymore. Everything has always been sabatoged.
 
Brat, I do think your family's intent isn't to drive you crazy, but rather, to divert attention away from taking responsibility for their issues. That is typical behavior for dysfunctional people, especially those with addiction issues.

Not that the effect on the receiving end isn't just as devastating. But if you can keep on doing cognitive challenges that eventually put up a firm wall where their stuff just doesn't 'get through' to your self-esteem, it will shift the power from them to you.

When they say such things, it's ok to challenge them in your head as 'this isn't my problem or my fault. I know it's not true.'

Eventually, you'll feel comfortable just cutting them off in mid-sentence with a 'I'm not going to discuss this now' or something like that to escape the conversation.

Al-anon can be very helpful for how to do mental judo to such lies. One of my favorites that has brought me some peace from my pathologically lying dad was not to ASK him if he did something. Rather, if it bothered me, I'd say 'I know [facts... 'you forged my name and stole my college fund'] and it's wrong.'

Rather than listening to all his BS about why he was entitled to break the law and do that to me, I at least let him know he was caught and I refused to listen to his excuses. "I don't need to know why you broke the law. There's no excuse. Goodbye." *click* (...adding YOU #$#@#! MOTHER#@#*&!!!!!!!) in my head.

It doesn't truly matter why someone does this if the effect is damaging to us. We don't need to understand their behavior, we just need them to NEVER DO IT AGAIN. :>

Trying to get a liar to stop lying isn't a goal which is ever in our power to do.

Giving them firm repercussions so it becomes a bigger problem for them than for us teaches them to find new prey.

Which, they will.
 
Thanks so much Bloomin'winter. So good to read this right now, and be reminded.

I've been reminding myself of these truths and realities as well, and find that at times I can get all caught up in the mire of feeling guilty for cutting them off and then stop and turn around and feel like this clarity hits me where it's suddenly ok again, and I remember exactly what they did, and tell myself the truth, that it's their lies that are destructive to the relationship...not me exposing them or being open and honest in expressing to them my anger at having the same behavior thrown at me once again.

There can be no relationship when trust has been broken. Trust IS the foundation of any relationship, and once that is gone, it's up to the person or people who did the damage to earn that trust back. If they aren't even willing to try and don't even know they have to do this, then it's just not possible.

My mother was a gambler, and addictive personality, and my father is addicted to working, so for both of them, placing the focus on someone else has become a fine homed artform, and they really believe they are right and I'm the one with the problem. I mean, yeah, I do have my issues, but at least I'm honest about it and am doing something to address them.

It's sad.
 
Bloomin-you are so wise and have such a way with words. I admire your ability. I always appreciate your input, and I am glad that Phillippa benefitted as well.

You are so right, the why is unimportant. I just seem to need a bit of validation from somewhere. I need those that have hurt me so bad to acknowledge and admit just a smidge....never happen.

My biggest injuries seem to be from outside my immediate family. My immediate family are the ones who have made me very vulnerable to other abuses. That being said, I do acknowledge the words I wrote and did not change them-they sound blaming.

My ex professes to love me forever. Yet, it takes more than love-whatever love is. He wants his way constantly, and when he does not get it, gets angry. If I have a dr appt and the co pay is $20 and I have nothing, he will give me $10. He always gives half of what I ask for. Half a sandwich, half a cup of coffee. He only shows that he is a fool when he speaks.

Phillippa you are so right. Trust is broken. I have been sabatoged by my own family. I do not expect any earning it back unfortunately. I need to learn to accept life without those I love-my children.

You both have many wise words to remind me. Im a little slow at getting it at times, but I will with repitition.
 
I thought I needed it too brat. I'm working at giving myself the validation I won't ever get from them. It doesn't make sense that we are taught one thing, to apologize and acknowledge that we've done something to hurt someone we love, and feel remorse...so when they do something to us that hurts, and don't acknowledge it or apologize, it doesn't add up.

How can people teach one thing and not even practise what they preach. It's easier to get over when it is just a person you don't know and am not emotionally invested in, but when it's family...it takes much longer.
 
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