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How to live with the shame of not having had a life?

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@Ms_Spock, do you really view your cfs as somatisation? there are a lot of us in the community who might be offended at that. I wanna tread carefully here: i don't want to deny your own experience but for those of us who have what is known as "Myalgic Encephalomyelitis", it's really hard to know that there are those who have had this "wastebin" diagnosis and then found out the problem was psychiatric.

i lived with something that made me very tired and very, very sick for a long time and no one ever believed me, and my head is pretty messed up from it; i think it's conditioned me to be more like you; i definitely relate to your stories of struggling to get things done and then feeling like a failure afterward for being so lazy and unproductive.

like you i also dissociated to deal with what was going on and am also struggling to "live my life".

look forward to reading your evolution as it should inform my own experiences as well. best of luck to you going forward.
 
This describes my entire 20s and some of my early 30s. I avoided and possibly dissociated (I'm just starting to understand what that means) any major move in any direction because I was paralyzed with lack of knowledge and life skills. I was never taught any "adult" skills, much less emotional regulation, and I had no idea how all the people around me seemed to know things they wanted to achieve and what steps to take towards those things. I had no goals -- I didn't understand HOW to have goals. I was too dissociated (??) to even understand what kind of goals I'd like to have, besides getting through the day without a major emotional breakdown. I watched a lot of TV, worked a series of dead-end waitressing jobs, had mostly superficial friendships (aka drinking buddies -- no shortage of those in the restaurant industry, but you're going to have no luck if you want to talk about anything besides sports or the lowest common denominator in pop culture), didn't move forward with my education after high school, chose terrible romantic partners, and wasn't able to sustain most romantic relationships for more than a little while.

In my late 20s, I decided to finish my degree, which was a good move and gave me something to focus on, even though I had only a hazy idea of what I would use it for. I'd always been an avid reader and had been told I was a good writer, so I majored in English Literature -- again, not due to any burning sense of personal goals in that area but mostly due to the recognition that "Hey, here's something I can probably accomplish without too much struggle. I should probably just do it." I graduated at 29 and, big surprise, kept waitressing, because I had no real goals for my degree.

A couple years later I started advertising proofreading and editing services on craigslist, grossly undercharging for them, again because I thought "Hey, here's something I'm pretty sure I can achieve." I felt zero burning passion for it, but along with the blogging I was doing (mediocre-ly) for a nonprofit organization in town, it did give me enough "professional BS" so to speak to make a resume -- "narrow the field of view," as @Friday put it so well up above. I was eventually able to make the leap out of bartending into a (low-paying) professional job by leaning heavily on some connections I had in the company (regulars at my bar).

THEN I started taking antidepressants and can I just tell you -- comparatively, it's been SUCH smoother sailing. I felt for the first time like I knew what to do. I utilized the "narrow field of view" strategy to bump myself up into a better job at a better company, then into a better role there, then into a better role at another company, and somewhere along the way I learned enough to actually know what I'm doing and no longer need to "BS."

I have two advantages that I'm not sure if you have, @Ms Spock -- one of which is that I'm in a profession (writing) that lends itself very well to glossing over the gaps in my experience -- and which I could do at home in my spare time until I'd built up some experience. The other is that I moved to a big city in my early 30s, and there are so many more professional and volunteering opportunities here, so much more to participate in, so many therapists and programs to help people with mental illnesses.

I have a few good friends but still mostly superficial friendships -- I'm not comfortable opening up to people -- I'm married but it's rocky as we both have a history of trauma and depression, and I do finally like where my career is going. I have real goals, things I know that I actually, authentically want for the first time in my life.

But like you I feel like I'm constantly grieving for the years I spent avoiding and dissociating and underestimating myself. I feel almost psychotically driven to make up for them, which causes me plenty of other problems! It's so hard to accept I'll never get them back, that the place I'm at now is where so many people are when they're 20, or maybe even younger. It feels unfair. It's hard not to be ashamed and blame myself. I'm going to keep moving forward, because I finally understand what it means, but the grief feels like it can't possibly ever go away.
 
Hmm I can relate to this. In fact lately I feel consumed by grief and regret for all my rotten mistakes and misunderstandings of life that led in the end to cptsd.
And then the years of hiding out, anxiety attacks, insomnia, fear.
But I also know I am a boat upon the sea, I am not the sea. Perhaps if I'd been stronger or had better support I could have steered my boat away from some of the danger - but that's not what happened.
And so at a late stage in life I am getting my act together, and that makes the grief stronger at times because I realise I was always capable, just had no self belief!
I think in some ways it's kind of a sign of recovery to feel this way as I don't feel as in it as I did. I feel clear enough to be able to look back and shudder ):
Hoping this is just a stage that will eventually pass?? Sure hope so!
I love it that everyone is so open here. It really helps to not feel so alone with it all!
Thx for this thread @Ms Spock (:
 
I am coming to more of a place of acceptance around this now. It is not easy. But when the regret intrudes I remind myself that all people have regrets in their lives, that I did the best that I could at the time, that it is normal for someone who suffered as much childhood abuse as I did to struggle as an adult, and that it is what it is and I can accept that, and I give myself a Self Compassion Break to not dissociate away the feelings for eat the feelings away. Slow but improvement, nevertheless.
 
Any kind of productivity (and follow-through) is important whether it's a job, at home, projects or goals. Being stuck in the past with what I call coulda/shoulda/woulda-philes is counter productive and a crutch not to motivate.

I am highly motivated.

I suffer from pretty extreme dissociation, so not being with those feelings, instrusive as they are at times, (and usually I can only stay with them for a few minutes), is not an option or I can dissociate and not come back for a couple of years; or eat so much I put on 7 kilos in a couple of weeks. What you are saying is correct but I tried doing that, just saying this is not productive and moving on, and it really doesn't work for me. I am going to reread David Burns' book and hopefully I will be able to get on top of it more. I have had to work out my own way to do it. I am impressed that you have found your own way and can detach from the past.

I have severe problems with ruminations and I am really working on that hard. Even though they are quite severe still, I have improved immensely from the beginning of this year.
 
I am finding it a little bit hard. I have had no sense that you could begin a thing, do some work, work on it and actually finish something. I had no sense that things didn't go on for eternity and were unrelenting torments. It always seemed that everything was so totally overwhelming - that I couldn't possible do it. And that thinking robbed me of a life. I had no capacity within my body to sit with feelings. I didn't have the skills to have a life. I feel a little bit low about that today on and off. I have been practicing being honest for a couple of years now. It has been hard going and a very different discipline to do that. I am working on not comfort eating and a whole stack of other things. So today I am doing okay.

I'm in my late forties, too, and this is exactly me!

It is very hard to deal with the reality that I'm an underachiever. I was not prepared for life, and was constantly overwhelmed, still am unprepared, and still very easily overwhelmed. One of the things that I grieve over is the loss of potential. I think I had a lot of potential for many great things. The things I like and am good at, though, could never come to fruition because of the things same things you've described. So, I'm prepared for very boring, menial jobs. Jobs that depress me.

I've had to let go of a lot of desires and accept the fact that it is what it is. It's not my shame. It's the shame of the perpetrators. All things considered, I'm actually doing quite well. Not everybody has the same pit to climb out of before they can do something productive. We're not on a level playing field. We have to redefine what success is and separate ourselves from the world's standards for success.

Success today telling my husband how horrible I feel. Success today was knowing when to quit, and leaving things undone so I could rest.
 
It is really breaking it down so I am understanding a whole lot more @Ronin. When I first got it all my parts combined to stop me from reading it - I became extremely dissociated. I think as I self attack and self annilhate it was only when I learnt more Self Compassion and Radical Acceptance that I started to be able to read this a bit more. My sister borrowed it for a few months so by the time it came back I was able to really almost be able to read it. I am at the flicking through the pages part of the process and you know bits are starting to enter my consciousness. I will apply the way I worked on the David Burns book "Feeling Good" to the whole book but I will be much gentler - persistent but more gentle.
 
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