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I think my son fits into narcissist at times... he just does not care about a single person other than himself, and if it doesn't benefit him, then he turns abusive near immediately upon not getting his way.

Interesting read...
It sounds like it. Abusive in what way? Verbal, physical?

My brother can be that way...though he has learned to curb it somewhat. I think we can all be narcissistic at times, and in a 'healthy' way, and then there are the unhealthy personality disordered, that stand apart from the rest of us.

I always thought it was my father who was the narcissist, but the more I have interacted with my mother over the last couple of years, the more it seems like she is the one who behaves in the way you described. It's like they switched personalities after she left him? Can that even happen?

From what I have researched it is not the norm for two parents to be narcisissts. Usually there is one primary narcisisst and then one of the children can have it as well. The other parent usually has borderline personality disorder, and the two attract each other based on these disorders...somehow they compliment each other, or at least, feed off each other in some weird way?
 
My mother died in 2001 after 2 years in a nursing home. She was alcoholic and her behavior was unpredictable. I spent my childhood cleaning up after her. Even before she drank when I was pre-school age, she stayed in bed all day and I remember being hungry. Once I left the house in a snow storm and walked in snow waist high to a friends and barely made it. I was 4, the friend was in school, and her mother put me in the bath because I was freezing. My mother didnt know I was gone. She could be so nasty and wicked. Her brother tried to molest me when I was ten and she was concerned that I told anyone. Much of the same craziness as others here. I was really angry with her til my thirties, when I began to see the mental illness for what it was.

I had to step back from being the victim and see what it was that made her this way. I figured a lot of it out and was truly able to forgive her a few years before she died. It doesnt change the abuse that happened to me, it doesnt eliminate the trauma, the stolen childhood, chidhood lonliness, depression and anxiety, fear, distrust, or any other issue. Understanding her led to letting go of the blame. That is when I really got in touch with my child within and felt free and healthy for the first time. I was really healthy and happy and almost symptom free for about 10 years, until another trauma re-ignited syptoms. Even now, working with T, it feels like Im digging up stuff that is irrelevant. Yet my mean mother lives on through by sisters. One sister is so angry and Im ususally the target.

In my family, nobody watched my kids, or did anything else. Ive been doing all my life. I spent my teens babysitting for sisters kids, driving mom, trying to fix it for older sisters. All they do is criticize-nothing is ever good enough. I have decided to discontinue all communication. My T is helping me to have a relationship that will not be physical (in the heart only) with siblings. My sister is still mad that I ate her bacon 48 years ago. This is very sick and toxic. I can relate to raves about moms. I am the baby and have always been the peacemaker. However, my body absorbs the negativity and it effects my health.

In my case, siblings to not want to see me well. They are very insecure and they are only happy when others are down, poor, abused, ill, in pain, accomplishing nothing, bitching and blaming, at odds with or about someone or something, etc. In my heart, I know they suffered the same abuse as I and I have compassion, yet, in a conversation it either stirs my anger, I dissociate, or absorb. Distance is the best. I guess it effects us all differently
 
. Her brother tried to molest me when I was ten and she was concerned that I told anyone.

This sounds exactly like my family. My mother did the same thing to me when my brother-in-law sexually assaulted me. All she cares about is appearances. Never mind that he hurt me and I'm still suffering because of it.

My sister is still mad that I ate her bacon 48 years ago.

This one made me laugh. Sure we're not related? Sounds like you're sister is as petty and immature as mine. I could use a few other adjectives to describe mine but they're not so nice and they begin with F. and B.:p (her husband was the one who sexually assaulted me)
 
I was homeless at one point in my life and all she did was brag about the plans for her new home.

Mine did the exact same thing, only she had already moved into her new home. I was homeless, living in a shelter and all she could do was go on about how wonderful her new home and her new life were! Unbelievable. She accuses dad of being the narcisisstic one, but I'm really starting to think it was her all along and she just brainwashed me into thinking it was dad? It's weird because they can both be that way, though I have to admit, dad thinks about us a hell of a lot more than she does. She is just the most self-centred person I have ever met.

Philippa,
I haven't had a relationship with my immediate family since age 33, 25 years ago. During that time I've visited them once 13 years ago. When my mother died last year I thought our family might get closer. No such luck. It's like I don't exist. And personally, I don't really care because they're all very dysfunctional. My step-dad has OCPD like my mother had. My oldest brother is a Narcissist like my mother. My youngest brother has OCPD as well. My middle brother is most likely suffering from PTSD and vicarious abuse as he witnessed my abuse. His first wife used to ask me what happened to my brother as he was so messed up. Of course I couldn't answer that question because I was equally messed up and dissociative.

Sounds very similar to my situation. My younger brother is a narcisisst like mum...and dad? God I don't even know who is the real narcisisst anymore? It's like they switched. Can that even happen? My other brother is just a round of the mill ego-maniac and a hypochondriac who has learnt not to tell us about his latest disease because we just laugh (which is mean I know...but you really have to be there...he is ALWAYS coming up with new diseases that he's convinced he has, but won't go to a doctor, just convinces himself).

They're all so f*cked up it's not funny...and yet it always seems to be that I'm the one that gets blamed for their behavior. Just the other day, my brother picked a fight with me and then blamed me for the fact that the family is so dysfunctional...in front of his friend. I just looked at him incredulously. Spending time with any of them for even a small amount of time usually results in badness...usually with me getting the blame for the badness.

And then they wonder why I never call...

We all used to get along so well as kids. At least that is how I remember it. Usual sibling shit, nothing too bad...but now it's just impossible to be around any of them for longer than an hour without some sort of war breaking out...and me getting the blame for it. I am usually good at knowing when I play a part in any conflict, and can admit to it, but honestly, I hardly EVER start any of the conflict with them...I'm usually too busy trying to place healthy boundaries and navigate my way around their ridiculous behavior to be actually causing any of it, and yet I'm the one they blame.

They drive me nuts!
 
My sisters husband was a saint. Last sept. he had a massive heart attack and died. He bought the groceries, cooked, paid the bills, took care of the dogs, the house and yard. She was lost without him even though she was hateful toward him. I drove 400 miles to be with her for several days. I was 2 weeks post op and not suppose to lift but that made her mad as she wanted me to carry her cases of water and vacuum. I ran her all over but wasnt allowed to stop at a fruit stand or anything else. Of course I let it go-her husband died. She wanted to come back and live at my house with her 2 dogs at my house. Of course I said she could but she would need to some sort of counseling, even a grief group. She agreed.

I came home and started getting the house ready, she says she cant do steps so I had to have a bathroom put in my basement for her and have painting done. I hired some and done some work for 2 weeks straight and was exhausted.
She came and was sick at first. When she got better, I went to one grief group with her and she refused to go back, said she was too sick. But went to Bingo 3 times a week. She yelled at her dogs and choked one of them which triggered me horribly. She complained constantly. She monitored when and what I ate, who I talked to, if I drank a beer, etc. She meddled in relationships with my kids and tried to stir things up. After 2 months she went home. She attacks every grocery clerk, waitress, pharmacist, etc. She atttacks my parenting, saying kids spoiled. Shes in lawschool and doing well. Yet my sister left her 3 children when they were babies with their alcoholic father. They now have nothing to do with her.

A typical conversation with her -she tells me what I should do, such as1.) shut off cable as I dont watch enough tv to warrant the bill-even though I pay it. 2.)starighten my friend out who has OCD, go sort out her house and straighten her up and explain how her keeping things is dysfunctional 3.)take custody of a relatives kid 4.) talk to my daughters boyfriend about his lack of job motivation and set him straight 5.)call her credit card and get her rate lowered 6.) fight her battle with a merchant.

There are givers and takers and doers and dreamers, and listeners and talkers, guess Im sick of being a giving, doing listener. Soooo.....last week I told her off and not to call again and that I was sick of hearing about the bacon.

She probably has ptsd too but would never do anything about it. Bingo is her answer to all. Thats why I have allowed it for so long. My health and future cant listen to anymore ruthless undeserving criticism.
 
I'm glad you told her to f*ck off. I think she was just taking advantage of the situation and your willingness to help. People like that need a mighty slap across the face.

Whatever happened to her to make her that way, you aren't obliged to put up with it no matter what.
 
Thanks, I appreciate your support. It is difficult for me to abandon her no matter what, but I can see a sinking ship
 
They're all so f**ked up it's not funny...and yet it always seems to be that I'm the one that gets blamed for their behavior. Just the other day, my brother picked a fight with me and then blamed me for the fact that the family is so dysfunctional...in front of his friend.
So sorry you had to go through this Phillippa.
 
Ok, I'm having a bit of a dilemma here...and I can't seem to find the thread about what our inner child wants...so I thought I'd vent it here.

My inner child wants to talk to my father...it's his birthday today and I sent him an E-card, but I'm still being stubborn about not wanting to call him. I told her ok, that I'd call him, but I keep putting it off.

My question is this...do we always have to do what our inner child wants?:D
 
I'm over it. I called him and got it over with...it was fine. Sometimes I build things up in my head when it isn't necessary.
 
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