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Childhood I Was A Victim But At The Same Time I Was Also To Blame?

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My father was/is emotionally verbally and occasionally physically abusive. This has been going on since my earliest years (my mother said it started soon after they married). My mum, my sister and I were abused mostly verbally and emotionally though threats of violence were often used. The actual violence was only occasional but very frightening when it did happen (weapons etc).

I am beginning to see that although my father wa snot an evil monster and sometimes could be lovely when he wasn't in a rage or a bullying mood but I now know he was abusive. For years I denied it. My sister did too. My mum always has although she confides in me how scare dshe is and wants to leave.I see that we were all abused. I see that as a small child I was not at fault although I admit to being a a difficult toddler and primary school age child. BUT...from about the age of 9 or 10 I was not just difficult but horrible. I didn't set out to be like that- often it was a defense mechanism and also very poor social skills. As well as being diagnosed with Borderline PD, OCD etc as an adult it has been suggeste dI may have some Asperger's traits although I have no diagnosis as yet. I would lash out at people and could be very demanding and contolling. I kept needeing constant validation and reassurance. My parents thought it was conceit (they are evangelical Christians so saw things as a sin/moral defects kind of thing. So I was constantly told I was selfish, arrogant, loved myself too much, attention seeker etc.

I was overeasting a lot from an early age- always felt empty, bored or anxious. So I became chubby and then obese. I had self harm behaviours since age 8 and also extreme rages. I tended to react badly to disappointment, had what looked like tantrums but were like a fear response. That isn't to say I didn't have normal strops as well- I was strong willed and very headstrong. But i was shy in relationships- nervous of eye contact and bad at trusting anyone or knowing how to empathise or be kind. I hated myself. I also had cry for help type of behaviours- wetting bed for attention etc. I would sometimes do things so I would get punished. Yet if those punishments happened randomly because my add was in a rage I would shake with fear and try to eother hide or do things to appease him. I would fake being sick in anattempt to make him have mercy on me. Which was daft- because when I did get ill he would be horrible about it. Genuine illness was not believed- I developed ME/CFS in my teens until well into my 20s and was constntly accused of lying and yelled at and jeered at for not working full time after I left school. I also had a form of maths dyslexia (dyscalculia) and was punished by my father for bad marks by threats, screaming, belittling etc. I was so scare dof punishment i could never apologise or admit I ever did anything wrong. I was told by my dad that I was a sociopath with no conscience.

I was a nasty teenager and 20 something.My personality disorder and eating issues meant I did badly at University and also waste dmy musical talents. I was selfish. I rejected God (although i did come back to the faith later, which also triigered some things. i couldn't trust God either) Forgive me if talking about religion is banned on here or something- am not sure if it is or not. Basically, my mum and my sister are good people- kind, selfless, team players. I am a selfish, cowardly type.

So when I look at myself as an older child and young adult I see someone who deserved it. I see myself up to age 8 or 9 as a real abuse victim but after that I believe that although the behaviour was still abuse, I was partlyto blame. I made things worse for myself. I have had christian counselling in the past and some of it has been wonderful and helpful but I would come to a halt when the counsellor would tell me eventually "stop feeling sorry for yourself. When you were age 12 or 13, Biblically that is teh Old Testament age of responsibility. You were at fault too." Or "your problem is really self pity" etc . Because I
 
...i feel that the stuff which happened when I was older (and some of those were the worst incidences of abuse) must have been my fault. Must have. And I don't know why it should bother me, but as a mentioned before, my ego is fragile and always has been. I think BPD traits have a lot to do with that- the fear of grey areas in situations which is part of BPD- a feeling one must be all bad or all perfect etc, black or white, all or nothing. I also feel that if it turns out I wasn't as abused as it appears then somehow I ma a lesser person?! I know that sounds barmy. But it is how i feel. But also a part of me wonders "does it bother me because I am somehow minimising my own abuse?" I don't know. I just don't know.
 
You think so? I want to believe it but I cannot really? Thanks though...I can see my behaviour must have been very irritating- I would follow parents from room to room trying to get reassuarnce for things etc. I was embarassing- being shy, I didn't mix with others. My clothes weren't fashionable- i had no real interest in the same things as kids my age. Mind you, my mum would be exasperated with me and sometime sinvalidating but she was never cruel. She didn't yell, hit or scream. So if she could be patient with me even though she found my behaviour upsetting, maybe my dad should have been patient as well. But then he had an abusive childhood himself. Worse than mine. I think he saw me as spoilt and would often say i had it too good. I did go to a good school and didn't lack anythng in life. Just safety and self esteem. And i don't think his generation saw those things as real needs. A lot of Christians and people don't either. I am trying to cut him some slack and not be unffair to him. I stopped hating him a long time ago. And I Ffeel guilty for saying what happened was abuse. After all I didn't have it as bad as many other abused kids. But what he did hurt. even if it wasn't wrong?
 
I do think he should have handled my additional needs better. I was more sensitive and vulnerable than a NT kid with no issues. I also see that my issues meant I needed a firm hand as well at times. But he took the tough love thing to far. And once he admitted to me that he used to enjoy saying things to put me down and make me cry. i could cry when I was a kid. I have trouble crying now except with rage or frustration. Real sorrow just doesn't produce tears in me.
 
You are far from being unfair to him. Your father's rages were abuse, and nobody deserves that.

Also, it sounds like a lot of what you were doing was trying to survive however you could, and that does not seem "bad" at all - that seems like strength.
 
Thanks One step. I don't feel strong though. More like oversensitive. I hope you are right though. I am so tired of feeling a freak or like am inherently messed up. I feel I ahve to believe something caused this. I am weird in really strange ways too- I don't desire realtionship. or children. I know I am not asexual because I am capable of feeling intense love or even lust towards someone. it is rare but obsessive when it happens. But a real relationship? No way. I was sexually abused several times over by different people but none of it was severe and I have no idea if it affected me long term because I was damaged already. My attitude towards men finding me attractive is to freeze with fear. . People want to be my friend and evfen if I want that I also recoil at the same time. "If they knew me they woul dhate me" ia kind of how I feel
 
Apologies for my terrible spelling etc I am registered a sphysically disabled with dystonia and typing is difficult due to muscle spasms
 
Most of your feelings sound completely normal for people who have survived abnormal circumstances.
Specifically, it is not at all strange to not want children, or to have complex sexuality....
Here is a link about the variation inherent to these things, if you are interested. It may not be perfect, but I'm told it is a pretty good start: Human Sexuality is Complicated...

You are not inherently messed up. It is also normal to want to have human connection, but to have a hard time with trust. I definitely feel that one, too.
 
Thanks One Step. I rarely am able to shed tears or cry much unless I am angry or annoyed or hormonal but I almost felt like it then. The relief that someone out there thinks I am worth responding to. I know that sounds a bit extreme but I am touched by that kind response. Been feeling very vulnerable lately. Thanks One Step
 
So when I look at myself as an older child and young adult I see someone who deserved it. I see myself up to age 8 or 9 as a real Abuse victim but after that I believe that although the behaviour was still abuse, I was partlyto blame.

I can totally hear myself telling myself this over the years. And, it is true that I germinated, fertilized, and nurtured all kids of self blame for the problems and symptoms I had, I finally decided that others had a big part in it too. I wasn't an out of control masochist They planted the seed, without which none of this would have happened.

I also realized that taking some responsibility for parts I did play in keeping my trauma fresh and alive was not wholly a bad thing...something to feel guilty or be ashamed of....because IF it was ME who did part of it, it was ME who could change it anytime I was ready. Didn't need to confront anyone, didn't need apologies from anyone, didn't need and verbal or physical amends before I could start changing and repairing myself. That was EMPOWERING and a start for recovery.
 
from about the age of 9 or 10 I was not just difficult but horrible
So when I look at myself as an older child and young adult I see someone who deserved it. I see myself up to age 8 or 9 as a real Abuse victim but after that I believe that although the behaviour was still abuse, I was partlyto blame

As a parent of an abused child I call bullshit on that one.

You were abused, and then blamed for the abuse, and then blamed for acting like an abused kid, as more justification to continue to abuse you. Nope. Not your fault.

That's like not feeding a baby, and then blaming the baby crying, as justification not to feed the baby, because if they'd just stop being hungry than there wouldn't be any need to feed them, so they wouldn't be crying. :confused: Same as kicking a dog, and being surprised when it bites you. Hungry babies cry. Kicked dogs bite. Abused kids act out.

There are things you can do to HELP abused kids, and I can promise you, abuse them more? Is not one of them.


When you were age 12 or 13, Biblically that is teh Old Testament age of responsibility. You were at fault too."

If God himself is not responsible for the actions of abusers, because of free-will & Agency? How do you propose a child somehow takes on a responsibility even God can't claim? Becoming responsible? Reaching the age of responsibility? Doesn't make you responsible for the actions of others.

Again, speaking as a parent, there is nothing my kid can do to "make" me abuse him. <rueful> And he's tried, a time or three hundred. Literally. As in, he's an abused kid, and has acted like an abused kid, and has not only aped his abusers, and lashed out with the stellar example set to him, but has also deliberately pushed people to their breaking point to see what they'll do when they get really mad. You know what I do? I take a deep breath, and a step back. Until I'm calm and rational. Because that's my responsibility to do so. Not only as a human being with free will, and not only as an adult who has decades more experience than any child in keeping my temper, but as a parent it is my DUTY. My responsibility. To be his rock. To be a person he can count upon, and depend upon, and learn from, and be safe with. How I treat him, how I teach him, I how respond to him, how I react towards him, are all part of MY agency. MY responsibility. It is MY responsibility to remain calm, to check my temper, to meet MY duty of care. I am responsible for myself & my own word & deed. And as his parent, I'm responsible for him. Not the other way around. He's not responsible for me, and he's not responsible for my actions. I am. I choose how I treat people. No one, not even God, can make me do anything. God isn't responsible for my actions. Nor is a child. I am.

Yes. There comes a time where we are responsible for our own selves, and our own lives. That's part of growing up. But that doesn't make you responsible for other people, and their lives.


I made things worse for myself.

This one I can readily believe. It's a common consequence for fighting back. It doesn't mean that fighting back is wrong, or was wrong, even if it made things worse. Nor does it mean that the abuse didn't happen, or was your fault when it happened.

Sometimes it's easier to see things via another trauma. If I'm being docile as I'm being raped, doing everything my rapist tells me to do, am I still being raped? Clearly. If I fight back against my rapist, am I still being raped? Of course. If being docile means that I'm "just" raped, but fighting back means I'm beaten & raped, then I just made things worse for myself. Does that mean it's my fault I'm being raped? No. Fighting back doesn't shift the responsibility onto my shoulders. I'm still being raped. I'm just also now being beaten. Does that make being beaten my fault? Nope. The bloke raping me and beating me is the one doing those things. It's worse, now, because of what I did. Does that mean that fighting someone raping you is wrong? Because it can get worse? No. It just didn't have the results I'd hoped for.

But this part may really bake your noodle. Being docile? Is also a form of fighting back. As is every other action that I take to try and change things. Sometimes those actions work, sometimes they don't, sometimes they make things worse. They are all experiments in survival. Trying different things to either affect the outcome, or protect ourselves. Sometimes, when we know fighting back will make things worse? We do it, not to avoid things getting worse, but to avoid giving up, to avoid breaking. Because there are worse things out there than making things "worse" for ourselves. Some will end in triumph, others will end in regret, but I'm still being raped, & Im still trying to survive the best I know how. That the things I try and do to fight back don't always work? Doesn't suddenly mean I wasn't raped. Or that the rape was my fault. Still happened. Still his fault.

Long term abuse is no different. There were undoubtedly things you did that made things worse. That doesn't mean the abuse didn't happen, nor that the abuse was your fault.
 
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