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Illogically Wanting To Suddenly Quit Therapy

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Justmehere

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I'm not sure where to start this thread. I'm quite mixed up and I could use any outside input.

My mother has untreated PTSD. I survived abuse at the hands if my father as a child. She says now she thought things were not so bad because she grew up with worse. She did. Which is remarkable, because what my brother and I had to deal with was pretty bad as it was. She didn't do much when we were getting abused.

My mother often loses time, has no affect, denies she is sad even when she is sobbing... It's generally very hard for her to be honest or real or in touch with her own feelings or state of being.

As an adult, I can be in tremendous pain and if I tell her anything of it, she will respond in a very flat manner. If I said mom, there is a gun to my head right now, she would respond in the same tone and flatness as she would if I said the weather is nice today. She would say to both things, "oh, ok." Sometimes she might say, "oh that's too bad" but with the same affect an. Tone as if it was a very mundane thing.

This drives me nuts. I didn't realize how much it really upsets me until today.

I don't talk to her about problems anymore... I used to. Tonight we spoke on the phone, and I said "oh no, I think I lost something really important." I explain what I lost and how essential it was. I started to get teary. She was just flat in response. I told her I needed to go, rather abruptly, and she sounded unphased.

I got off the phone and I was filled with anger, not really at her. But some kind of self directed anger that was so intense. And familiar.

My therapist last week said something that was tremendously validating and was really attuned to me. Tonight, it struck me how much my mother is not that way and has never been that way, and it has really deeply impacted me.

Sometimes as an adult, I get really anxious about making sure someone hears me, knows what I am saying. It is this internal subconscious drive to have even that fact that I spoke at all somehow validated. When someone disagrees with me, it's end tally not triggering. But if someone responds like I did not even speak, I become extremely anxious. It is a pattern I am just realizing and putting together on the pay few months. I knew something was making me anxious, but not what. I knew that someone reflecting back what I said or somehow showing me that they heard me, even if they adamantly disagree, is weirdly calming. Now I think I am beginning to put together why. My mother, my key attachment figure, was never really "there" for me emotionally.

But my therapist was really there for me last week - and it made a huge difference.

I have been in tears facing some of the loss behind this. There is so much pain, generations of it. In the middle of my grief, I want to quit therapy. I am feeling moments of anger at my therapist. There are no angry thoughts, just this image of wanting to yell at her that I will never talk to her again. "You can't do this to me" is a phrase that keeps coming to mind - but it makes no sense! I feel like I have lost my mind and all reason and logic.

Can anyone help make sense of this? I will talk to my therapist about it, I'm just confused. I'm trying to not listen to the part of me that wants to yell at my therapist and quit therapy. I know that attachment and transference matters are involved in all of this, but I'm so inside of this, I can't make heads or tails of it all. Sorry to ramble on so long.
 
I think if a person can make a decision going by current and past facts it is more likely to be rational and just a more accurate assessment. Otherwise it likely involves transferance like you said, or projection or those sorts of things.

I am sorry your mom could not be there for you. :(
 
PTSD aside, they say all people's actions are driven by their top 10- and especially top 5- values. For example, if someone comes by when you are making dinner, do you stop & talk to them or keep cooking? The first person who stops may value people more, the latter may value time more. The person interrupted may feel slighted that they are interrupted, or the second person may feel that it is rude if the person keeps cooking. Or the first may value the friendship, or the second may come back another time.

In other words, no one is wrong, they just have different inherent core values & ideas. They say if something bothers you, to stop & look at it from that angle. To start by defining (naming) the 5 most important root values of your own, and see if something the other person has done/ not done/ said, seems contrary to that.
 
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I think you really need to talk this out with your T. You say she was really there for you, validating and attuned to you. That sounds like you have a great and well suited T to me.

Your mother sounds like she's been 'dumbed down' by her life experiences. This is what I think of my own mum anyway. Though I don't speak to her really anymore. It's like the years of abuse she endured from my father just changed her and made her numb to the world and reality. She always says things weren't that bad etc. But she never did anything to stop him. I know she will never validate me. And I feel your conflicting feelings with your T. I'm actually writing my T an email about this this week while she's away. Basically I am a bit annoyed that she can give me the validation etc that I wanted from my mother. I'm worried if I accept her validation it's like transference and I don't want a replacement mother, I'd rather have none.

But I get the confusing feelings about wanting to quit. Don't self-sabotage this for yourself though, I think you really need your T's positive support and reinforcement right now
 
I have been in tears facing some of the loss behind this. There is so much pain, generations of it. In the middle of my grief, I want to quit therapy. I am feeling moments of anger at my therapist. There are no angry thoughts, just this image of wanting to yell at her that I will never talk to her again. "You can't do this to me" is a phrase that keeps coming to mind - but it makes no sense! I feel like I have lost my mind and all reason and logic.

For me, feeling (relatively) unconditional positive regard or empathy from my therapist is incredibly painful because it makes the lack of those feelings from my parents (both in the past and in the present) more apparent. And, there is for me, so much grief for what I didn't and won't have from them. And then there's my therapist, who is loving and empathetic, but in the end, can not fill this chasm of need without crossing all sorts of boundaries and making things worse, which is incredibly painful as well. There is this gigantic longing...neediness...that he can't (internal kid is convinced it's won't) make better.

And then there's a part of me that believes that the empathy the therapist is exhibiting is somehow fake (because he's paid, because I'm not worthy of it, because it's not something I've been exposed to on a regular basis) and I have a lot of anxiety about when (not if) he's going to "turn on me" (which is totally irrational, because that's not been my experience with him).

Too many different feelings end up spinning around in my head and I end up wanting to blame my therapist (because I wouldn't be having these feelings if I weren't in therapy) and I end up wanting to quit .
 
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So much of what you wrote could be my life! I think the reason why I don't quit therapy, and I have thought about it, is the very point you made, "there is so much pain, generations of it." I do not want to perpetuate another generation of misery. It stops here. So, I continue to trudge along in therapy sometimes making huge accomplishments and sometimes falling on my face. Knowing that I have the ability to change the future for my child makes me stay because I know I am not capable YET of knowing how to handle certain things.

Studying my parents patterns has helped me understand why I feel certain ways or do things the way I do. It, at times, has been an ugly journey!! Coming to the realization your parents had "issues" is pretty surreal. Choosing not to carry on those issues to another generation is brave.

You can't make your mom get help, but you can continue to encourage her to do so. You can set healthy boundaries for yourself as it pertains to your relationship with her. You can let her know that you support her good choices, and you can even share your experience of healing through therapy if that is an option. As you begin to really "see" her, you will fight for therapy even harder because you will realize that your mom is a mirror of what is to come for you unless you make some different choices!

My mom was the greatest woman in the world and I loved her so very much. I miss her everyday, but that doesn't diminish the fact she had problems and I have her genes! My healthy thinking mom wouldn't want me to walk the same path in life as her if I could do better. Her depression diminished her happiness in life and she died in her 60's never receiving the true help she needed. I am sad for that, but grateful for the eye opening experience. Her death allowed me to finally see that I have a choice to break the cycle of sadness so that I can enjoy my life in a way that she never did. It is a tough journey, but once your eyes are open to what can be, you won't want to go back to what was!

Sending strength!!! I know it is tough and am happy to chat privately with you about more of my experience if it helps. I think you already know what the good choice is though. ;)
 
I know that when I make a big step forward in my thinking that my head/disorder/alters react in an instinctively negative way. My old coping skills are still trying to "protect" me not realizing that I am currently safe. The dichotomy that I often experience in thoughts and actions often lead to good therapy sessions later and more understanding.
 
@Justmehere . I am so sorry for what you are going through emotionally right now. It sounds like it has really set you off balance. A lot to take in. I am not certain that what I say will have any value for you but these are my thoughts.

I have found that a sense of safety triggers in me a great release and many 'ah ha' moments. It sounds to me like your T gave you a sense of safety (being heard and validated and a huge missing piece in the puzzle). For me that becomes like a domino effect. That brief feeling of safety for me opens my mind to how I would have liked it to feel. It gives me a contrast - of how it does usually feel and how I need it to feel.

My sense of normal and my sense of what I need collide because I can finally see what I need - not what is normal. I find it very unsettling but once my 'brain' comes back online, I go through a process that allows me to reassess what part of my normal is good for me and what is not. It sounds like, for right now, your Mom's normal is not so good for you. With time and with work it may not affect you so much emotionally.

Sending you all my warmth through this very difficult time.
 
@Justmehere , this sounds so familiar to me it's uncanny. My mother doesn't have PTSD as far as I'm aware, but she came from an angry household and she dismisses everything that isn't the kind of mundane conversation you might have with a stranger. I don't tell my family anything too personal or emotional, we just stick to mundane conversations. So I have respect for you for talking to your mom as you do, but I'm sorry that the response is painful for you - I can empathise with that dismissal.

Regarding your therapist, I've felt like that also, not towards a therapist, but towards people who try to be compassionate about things. I think I always maintained the perspective of my therapist being someone who was paid to be there, so that I wouldn't fall into the belief that someone was genuinely there because they cared for me personally. But I'm not sure why.

When someone does hit that button, it feels almost like it's too little too late. Like theres someone who finally sees me, but the child can't be helped now as a child, she will always be alone - it's the 'where were you when I needed you' question that the child self is screaming. It's like a light that highlights the emptiness.
 
Thank you everyone. I can't write much now - my eyes are stinging from so many tears, and my body is shaky from exhaustion, but your messages helped me find the courage to call her and talk to her today. She said she was glad I called. It was intense, but it went very well. I will write more soon. Thank you again.
 
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