News Las vegas massacre

[Tornadic Thoughts]

Speaking of cultural addiction, sacrifice, and massacres...my first thoughts immediately go to factory farming, big ag, and such. Our basic consumption habits, a.k.a. our fuel, has named animal products as being vital for human life, therefore, it's rarely viewed as a legit addiction by many, until they try to change their consumption habits and realize the depths of the issues, speaking solely from how I directly experienced life and discovered information I would have rather not learned of while making the changes personally.

We've been taught animal flesh and animal by products are absolutely necessary and have demanded that the industries grow to what they are now by our ongoing massive consumption. Most folks can't stomach watching the videos that show behind the scenes footage in those places of the slaughtering process and such, but manage to somehow keep steadily stomaching the product itself. Out of sight, out of mind. I never paid attention before, either, as I have a very weak stomach for shit like that and would avoid it. Although I used to help at hunting camps and was in charge of butterflying and frying up the fresh tenderloins. Been there, lived that....didn't think I could ever live without it, until my health made a few choices necessary for me.

Unless someone raises their own, hunts and kills it in the wild, or can afford to buy only from small organic, independent reputable farmers, they're fully participating in the factory farm f*ckery. That's what lines most all of the typical grocery store shelves, is stocked and used in most restaurants, and handed to ya' through the drive-thru windows, because it's more affordable and they can stay in business longer by only offering the cheapest ingredients. Some grocery stores often inject meats with artificial coloring to keep it looking nice and fresh for ya'. How nice of them, ay? The cleaner food options are designed to be kept out of reach by many. There's a great book called "Let Them Eat Junk" I read a few years ago that really opened my eyes regarding purposeful deception by many places I was taught to trust in.

We're so willing to pay others to store, raise, inject with various things, feed them crap to fatten them up, slaughter, and sacrifice other living beings in such cruel and inhumane ways simply to satisfy taste bud addictions...and keep demanding it....and as a result, in my opinion, look what's happening to our own species now. Digesting those kinds of energies and substances over and over several times a day for a lifetime lays a very shaky foundation for some nasty energetic returns, or whatever one wishes to call it. Either way, it eventually crumbles and needs to be repaired. What goes in must indeed come out, and it surely does in some rather ugly and highly uncomfortable ways, as we see and feel around us every day.

 

[hodge]

Although this is off-topic, I find a lot of common ground with you here, @Tornadic Thoughts. Maybe start a thread?

 

[Tornadic Thoughts]

I view it as being very related, which is why I mentioned it in this particular thread specifically after your post, but if it needs to be separated into it's own thread, that's cool, too.

 

[scout86]

I, for one, abhor the idea that this just keeps going on and on every so often without us trying to identify and deal with the core problems here.

I totally agree. I'm not real sure what the problem is. I don't see it as "guns". Guns are a means to an end. Bombs, IED's, stuff like that, can kill people from a distance too. The problem is what ever it is that causes people to want to do things like this.

The last report I heard a little while ago said this guy had a really large number of weapons, guns and explosives. I find it difficult to believe that no one in his life noticed or wondered what was up. And I wonder if that doesn't say something about the problem. Pretty consistently, when something like this happens, after it's over someone (usually more than one) says they knew the person was messed up. I mean, I seriously wonder if anyone said, "Hey Stephen, what are going to DO with all that stuff?" And then, what did they get for an answer? And then what did they do?

Personally, I think a percentage of the time, the cause is Evil, which is something I think is a very real thing. A percentage of the time, I wonder if it's not that our society makes it easy for people to feel cut off, left out, unimportant, and all that, so any attention seems like "good" attention. But, I truly don't know.

 

[Deleted member 12723]

I think that this shooter is mentally ill. You would have to be in order to plan such a thing. He was unhinged in what he did today. I feel for the many victims and their families who had gone there to have some fun. Yet he was the one making bad choices today. One very mentally disturbed and sick individual did so much harm to so many. I wish we had laws for the mentally ill so families who are afraid of family members could have them committed before they commit such horrible crimes.

 

[Enaila]

My god over 50 dead and 200+ wounded... Crazy people with guns!!!,

Count at 59 dead and over 526 injured. I'm afraid to say many more will be joining our ranks of having PTSD. Three of my co-workers were close to the stage and thankfully didn't get shot, but are so shaken.

I am struggling with staying present. I honestly thought to myself, "I could see my father doing this one day " and listened carefully to hear if my father's name would be announced. I then flashed back to time my mother and I went to police department here in Vegas to make them aware of how my father, with bipolar, who wasn't taking his medicine, had lots of guns and ammunition. My father had threatened the two of us and made comments what he would do to us. The police treated us like we were over reacting and wouldn't listen. So scary.

I wonder how many of the victims and those attending the concert will end up on this site? A new influx...

I do plan on letting my friends know about the site.

 

[EveHarrington]

So sad. A local person (east coast) was out there and killed.

 

[Justmehere]

The numbers of dead and physically injured are devastating.

It just struck me today that a crowd of 22,000 people were at the music concert. 22,000 people who ran from the gunshots - from the concert. Others ran as well. Stories are pouring out of people in nearby hotels that ran to hide... so many people at risk for PTSD from the actions of one person.

 

[Neverthesame]

God that's sad.
This shit just needs to stop. The f*cks the point of killing swaths of people?

Did it make this guy feel like a big man?
What is it?
What is the f*cking point of this f*cking awful shit?

 

[Leisel]

The shooter had 19 guns at his home and 23 in his hotel room. He bought them legally and passed background checks with "no red flags at all."
Nevada gun shops say Stephen Paddock passed background checks

 

[Deleted member 541]

@Leisel Yes, he pass a background check. I wonder if we had in place strict psychological test, if he would have passed that. It’s obvious he was not in his right mind or had a suicide by cop thing going on. I’ve never understood murder and till the day I die, I’ll never be able to wrap my brain around it. Just sad and sickening.......

 

[scout86]

trying to identify and deal with the core problems

I've been thinking about this a lot today. I did a little research. I keep noticing that these shootings get referred to as the "worst in modern history" and things like that. Made me wonder about the more distant past and whether things have changed and, if so, how. I found some interesting stuff.

First, a couple links. One to a piece that was done after the Orlando shootings and the other to a relevant book. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...g-in-u-s-history-into-some-historical-context
https://books.google.com/books?id=3...page&q=massacres in the united states&f=false

To summarize, it seems like there has been a change between events before and after 1900. Prior to 1900, most mass killings were done by more than one person. It generally was "the powerful" killing the less powerful. Think Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, etc. I was surprised at how many examples there were that DIDN'T involve Native Americans. Maybe because I was aware of many that did. Anyway, since 1900, the perpetrator is more likely to be an individual, the setting more likely to be public, and the victims more likely to be essentially random. (BTW, the author says that the most common variety of mass killing involves a man killing his wife and children, usually in their own home.)

Anyway, it appears that there IS a real change, but I don't see that you can link it directly to guns. Prior to 1900, we had no gun control at all and I'd bet a higher percentage of the population actually had a gun. But, it seems like there's something there that's real. Thoughts on what it is? (I'm going back to read as much of the book as Google will let me read.)