Morning panic...I am not getting any better...last night I was okay...help

When I was young people didn’t have guns in their pockets and families didn’t usually have holiday greeting cards with every member holding a gun.
my child sex trafficking trauma happened in the '60's across north america. i was far from the only child trapped in that horrific world. for the victims, the toll is 100%, regardless of the pleasantries on prime time tv. we didn't have that name for ^it^, but? ? ? that is the charge my father was prosecuted under in two states in the 80's.
The trauma in American schools, is so heartbreaking because it doesn’t have to be this way.
as one from a family who made porno greeting cards, i find more heartbreaking trauma in what the decent folk are doing to prevent these tragedies. when i go to visit my foster kids at school, i'm not all the way sure if i am visiting children or prison inmates. i never visited my daddy in prison, but i think of him every time i work the elementary school security process.

side note
i did my military tour of duty in karlsruhe and heidelberg. campbell barracks, 1974, is where i started my recovery in earnest.
 
my child sex trafficking trauma happened in the '60's across north america. i was far from the only child trapped in that horrific world. for the victims, the toll is 100%, regardless of the pleasantries on prime time tv. we didn't have that name for ^it^, but? ? ? that is the charge my father was prosecuted under in two states in the 80's.

as one from a family who made porno greeting cards, i find more heartbreaking trauma in what the decent folk are doing to prevent these tragedies. when i go to visit my foster kids at school, i'm not all the way sure if i am visiting children or prison inmates. i never visited my daddy in prison, but i think of him every time i work the elementary school security process.

side note
i did my military tour of duty in karlsruhe and heidelberg. campbell barracks, 1974, is where i started my recovery in earnest.
I cannot begin to understand the trauma you lived through. I can only say that I want to hug you when I read your words.

I am taken back by your porno greeting card story, I don’t even know what to comment back other than I could give you a hug again.

Prime TV is a lie, I realize that now. , I never saw those lies until I was older, as my brain was so busy trying to survive something I couldn’t begin to understand.

I am aware of sexual advances from my best friend’s father when I was around 7 or 8 but I have a big block other than a couple of bad memories. I am not sure I want to know, or perhaps ready.

The main trauma in my life was having a mother who neglected me, left me alone and went on dates, raged, drank, and so many other little gems before she left us girls to foster care. My older sister got it first, so she tortured me of course. Locked me up in cupboards and such. My father tortured me psychologically when I did see him, he enjoyed playing on my fears and insecurities and making me cry. I don’t know why. I was so full of fear by a young age I would not go outside alone.

Something happened I don’t know what. My mother told me I was a strange child, who didn’t like to be touched. I have never followed up on that clue. I was once hypnotized and I was in my baby bed drowning….water covering my body in my thoughts, it also felt weirdly sexual and I don’t why.

I live in Bremen, about 8 hours north of Heidelberg..You must be one strong person, being on a tour of duty, after all you have been through. kudos Arfie
 
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I’m so glad to hear that you are connecting here and finding what you need to move forward. I can say that it post menopause is awesome! Just keep your eyes on that as you go through it to get there. A thought came to me after arfie brought it up. Your hormones are all out of whack when you’re going through peri and menopause. That could be what the extra ingredient may be that got stirred into the pot right now to cause the challenges you are going through. Just an idea, it may be helpful to see you doctor about the hormone changes. Maybe they can ease you through it. So glad that you joined us here. Best wishes moving forward.❤️
Well ladies I am post as well 😊
 
Hello @Susan Jane , I used to dread waking up in absolute fear and panic. It was a living nightmare. I was fighting for a medication change which I eventually got and it changed my life. But before that happened, my life was a shitshow for decades.

How bad did it get? 😕 real bad. Alcoholism and a history of complex trauma, depression and anxiety. Everyone has their own story. I've been on here for several years and it was crucial in my recovery. I stopped drinking and smoking 4.5 years ago which was a godsend but it happened because I had a heart attack and nearly died.

As far as I'm concerned, acceptance of who you are and what happened to you is the first step of recovery but that's soooo hard and painful. Reaching out for help and the knockbacks that come with it until you find people that understand and get it...

The best revenge is good living. Baby steps of being kind to yourself and learning how to love yourself. I've never had kids so can't comment on that. Theres lots of supportive and smart people on here. They're very helpful 🙂.
Thank you for your message. I am glad you found the right med for you. I haven’t had much luck with that. I did go through many rounds of ECT which scrambled my brain and made it better for some time but it always came back. I would never do ECT again, it is brutal and well, although it helped for a time, it made me feel ashamed.

I don’t drink when it gets real bad, because I have it worse the next day, and cannot function at all. I really admire your honesty and strength to change what was crucial for you to heal. I am so glad to read you caught yourself after your heart attack and found your way. I recently realized, I needed to face myself and my trauma. I was told I was depressed until one person explained it was more complicated and I could get help, besides meds. He helped me so much and for a while I was great, and then a wave came do to over working. I had given up hope, being stuck in the loop of being given pills that never really helped when I was in a bad stage.

Who knows what comes next, some days are optimistic and I have a sunny feeling I am going to come out of this. Other days I am scared and panicked.

Thank you again for sharing your story, being open. It feels so good to have support from people who understand. Susan
 
Have you considered meeting with someone who specializes in natural medicine to see if there are natural alternatives to help the nervous system calm so you can work on healing the other components?

I don't mean the modern take on "what natural medicine is" but rather someone who specializes in nature as medicine.

I could of suggest things to research into "to calm the storm"(so you're not *stuck*) that way but everyone is different, and has their own health conditions/considerations and interactions/side effects can still happen if someone isn't very thorough when researching and frankly that adds more to a plate that is already full (when you could outsource that portion) and feel helped instead.

I often think it's better for me to say there are herbalists,now that offer virtual apnts based on being affordable to others, where it doesn't matter that they are in x state and you are in z state(because the visit is vitrual and they have a sliding scale).

(I have found one very well educated one who makes herself accessible to others both of these ways) and even lets her clients judge for themselves where they are on the sliding scale. Though I'm not sure about the rules when it comes to links or names(like that) but I would be willing to share her info if it is in accordance with site rules.

Other helpful suggestions, are for example looking into the Youtube channel, called "Therapy in a Nutshell", it is a certified therapist, who has many sections explaining why our mind chooses to "use something to cope"(even though it's harmful) in a way that's empathetic and non triggering, and has coping tools for the various things and explinations on why it helps(without it being too extensive/triggering or hard).

Other helpful tools may be things like:

- Somatic Processing as explained by Thias Gibbson of Personal Development School(had her own practice for over a decade), this is essentially using your connection to your body/understanding of the body, and it's sensations to help heal the trauma since you're having a lot of physical sensations. An easier run down is "I am feeling(name emotion, in simple terms)", which is showing up in my body via "name the senations", then "I am going to (do x- healthy coping tool) for it". This helps one get out of the animal part of the brain and into *logic and reasoning*, part. This is what healthy "sitting with the feelings " actually entails.

-Qi gong Yoga(as recomended by a Trauma expert), because the movements mimic those recomended for release of trauma through physical exertion. QiYoga With LuChin, is a lovely free channel that my daughter and I enjoy.

There is also trauma aware Yoga that helps release stored emotions in a healthier way and Somatic Yoga that could be helpful to you(it may also help ground you- meaning get you out of your head and into your body).
I personally like "Somatic Yoga" with Lauren Ikeda(on Yotube) and "Heart" and "Hip" focused trauma informed yoga practices as that's where I "store" a lot of my trauma.


I would recomend nature hikes/nature walks if at all possible and accessible for you, as this is not only movement but nature actually notably lessens anxiety(scientifically).
One can use things like "5-4-3-2-1"(5 things you see, 4 things you touch, 3 things you hear, 2 things you smell, 1 thing you taste) while out in nature to *get out of your head*.

There is also Headspace meditation app(to guide you through meditation) it's very very affordable now $5 a month, and I find it very helpful as it has different levels, and doesn't feel so "woo woo", as some(if that makes sense) it feels like it activates the part of the brain that is sensible, with reasonable guidance.

I have heard from therapists, once you get the chemical anxiety part handled(via let's say a natural medicine specializing herbalist), then healthy coping tools should be done at least every couple of hours.

Once you get comfortable with "that", there are books that are super helpful to understanding elements of CPTSD but remember that depending on "what you read ", and "how much", one can be *overly triggered", by some works(even those written by well meaning professionals).

I say, listening (2xs a week) for say 20 min a peice while not gnoringing the bodies signs that it *is triggered*, as indication to stop.
* in other words,listen to your body*(to avoid being overly triggered).

Since you are at the very triggered stage of things and very early on in your journey I must stress to not *do this*, til the chemical component is adressed and that rather until the chemical component *is adressed*, adress that/and get used to healthy coping tools.

I personally go for those who mix many parts empathy, with information(when looking for books) and I don't like overly clinical professionals personally, bonus points if they have lovely quotes and share real life examples as if they are "talking about life and talking to me as a person" (and I don't go for self help Gurus) I go for M.Ds and trauma experts.

Since you'd brought in abandonment there's a lovely e-reader/Kindle, version of "The Wound of Abandonment" by Daniel Dofour, M.D. that feels gentle yet ponient(go slow) with this.

Another one that may be healing to you, from what you'd expressed with your mother is "Mother Hunger" by Kelly McDaniel; it's for daughters who find themselves unable to "be with mother", emotionally or otherwise and carry the pain/weight of that and want compassionate help for "carrying that".
 
You must be one strong person, being on a tour of duty, after all you have been through. kudos Arfie
thank you for the kudos, but the army was my first honest shot in life. in 1973, when i was recruited, the u.s. was pulling out of viet nam and military recruiters were some of the loneliest people on the planet. they had time for mission work and were working the throwaway kid camps for the sort of recruits who needed extra help meeting minimum requirements. in 1973, the women had to meet MUCH tougher minimums than men, but the recruiters took me on, anyway. it took them months to get me up to those minimum requirements and i am ever so grateful they did. i believe they literally saved my life. boot camp was a girl scout meeting compared to a night in a throwaway kid camp. it royally pisses me off that my contemporary counterparts don't have that same option. with as much as the military budget has increased since then, you'd think they could at least get a few desperate teens off the street.

but the point of bringing it up was to say i am not even close to convinced these dynamics were what seems to be commonly believed here in the 21st century. at least now i can talk about ^it^and even have a few quasi-respectable names for ^it^. has the ways teenagers act out their troubled circumstances gotten meaner or have the newscasters gotten deeper into fear peddling hysterics?
 
Have you considered meeting with someone who specializes in natural medicine to see if there are natural alternatives to help the nervous system calm so you can work on healing the other components?

I don't mean the modern take on "what natural medicine is" but rather someone who specializes in nature as medicine.

I could of suggest things to research into "to calm the storm"(so you're not *stuck*) that way but everyone is different, and has their own health conditions/considerations and interactions/side effects can still happen if someone isn't very thorough when researching and frankly that adds more to a plate that is already full (when you could outsource that portion) and feel helped instead.

I often think it's better for me to say there are herbalists,now that offer virtual apnts based on being affordable to others, where it doesn't matter that they are in x state and you are in z state(because the visit is vitrual and they have a sliding scale).

(I have found one very well educated one who makes herself accessible to others both of these ways) and even lets her clients judge for themselves where they are on the sliding scale. Though I'm not sure about the rules when it comes to links or names(like that) but I would be willing to share her info if it is in accordance with site rules.

Other helpful suggestions, are for example looking into the Youtube channel, called "Therapy in a Nutshell", it is a certified therapist, who has many sections explaining why our mind chooses to "use something to cope"(even though it's harmful) in a way that's empathetic and non triggering, and has coping tools for the various things and explinations on why it helps(without it being too extensive/triggering or hard).

Other helpful tools may be things like:

- Somatic Processing as explained by Thias Gibbson of Personal Development School(had her own practice for over a decade), this is essentially using your connection to your body/understanding of the body, and it's sensations to help heal the trauma since you're having a lot of physical sensations. An easier run down is "I am feeling(name emotion, in simple terms)", which is showing up in my body via "name the senations", then "I am going to (do x- healthy coping tool) for it". This helps one get out of the animal part of the brain and into *logic and reasoning*, part. This is what healthy "sitting with the feelings " actually entails.

-Qi gong Yoga(as recomended by a Trauma expert), because the movements mimic those recomended for release of trauma through physical exertion. QiYoga With LuChin, is a lovely free channel that my daughter and I enjoy.

There is also trauma aware Yoga that helps release stored emotions in a healthier way and Somatic Yoga that could be helpful to you(it may also help ground you- meaning get you out of your head and into your body).
I personally like "Somatic Yoga" with Lauren Ikeda(on Yotube) and "Heart" and "Hip" focused trauma informed yoga practices as that's where I "store" a lot of my trauma.


I would recomend nature hikes/nature walks if at all possible and accessible for you, as this is not only movement but nature actually notably lessens anxiety(scientifically).
One can use things like "5-4-3-2-1"(5 things you see, 4 things you touch, 3 things you hear, 2 things you smell, 1 thing you taste) while out in nature to *get out of your head*.

There is also Headspace meditation app(to guide you through meditation) it's very very affordable now $5 a month, and I find it very helpful as it has different levels, and doesn't feel so "woo woo", as some(if that makes sense) it feels like it activates the part of the brain that is sensible, with reasonable guidance.

I have heard from therapists, once you get the chemical anxiety part handled(via let's say a natural medicine specializing herbalist), then healthy coping tools should be done at least every couple of hours.

Once you get comfortable with "that", there are books that are super helpful to understanding elements of CPTSD but remember that depending on "what you read ", and "how much", one can be *overly triggered", by some works(even those written by well meaning professionals).

I say, listening (2xs a week) for say 20 min a peice while not gnoringing the bodies signs that it *is triggered*, as indication to stop.
* in other words,listen to your body*(to avoid being overly triggered).

Since you are at the very triggered stage of things and very early on in your journey I must stress to not *do this*, til the chemical component is adressed and that rather until the chemical component *is adressed*, adress that/and get used to healthy coping tools.

I personally go for those who mix many parts empathy, with information(when looking for books) and I don't like overly clinical professionals personally, bonus points if they have lovely quotes and share real life examples as if they are "talking about life and talking to me as a person" (and I don't go for self help Gurus) I go for M.Ds and trauma experts.

Since you'd brought in abandonment there's a lovely e-reader/Kindle, version of "The Wound of Abandonment" by Daniel Dofour, M.D. that feels gentle yet ponient(go slow) with this.

Another one that may be healing to you, from what you'd expressed with your mother is "Mother Hunger" by Kelly McDaniel; it's for daughters who find themselves unable to "be with mother", emotionally or otherwise and carry the pain/weight of that and want compassionate help for "carrying that".
Wow … this is so helpful. I feel so grateful, and will have a look and write again. It is very kind of you to take the time and effort … warms my heart, and that feels comforting. 🙏🧚‍♂️

thank you for the kudos, but the army was my first honest shot in life. in 1973, when i was recruited, the u.s. was pulling out of viet nam and military recruiters were some of the loneliest people on the planet. they had time for mission work and were working the throwaway kid camps for the sort of recruits who needed extra help meeting minimum requirements. in 1973, the women had to meet MUCH tougher minimums than men, but the recruiters took me on, anyway. it took them months to get me up to those minimum requirements and i am ever so grateful they did. i believe they literally saved my life. boot camp was a girl scout meeting compared to a night in a throwaway kid camp. it royally pisses me off that my contemporary counterparts don't have that same option. with as much as the military budget has increased since then, you'd think they could at least get a few desperate teens off the street.

but the point of bringing it up was to say i am not even close to convinced these dynamics were what seems to be commonly believed here in the 21st century. at least now i can talk about ^it^and even have a few quasi-respectable names for ^it^. has the ways teenagers act out their troubled circumstances gotten meaner or have the newscasters gotten deeper into fear peddling hysterics?
I am glad to hear this, the positive take on being helped… even when it was rough. I understand this trait. I think teenagers are the same, I think the availability of weapons, and the “just another act of violence” media acceptance, has normalized the devastation and made it seem like there are no solutions, just have to put up with our fate and send prayers… that pisses me right off, and it is such a devastating lie…
 
I think teenagers are the same,
i think teenagers are as variable as adults.
normalized the devastation and made it seem like there are no solutions, just have to put up with our fate and send prayers…
i didn't need media to normalize the violent devastation i lived in the 60's. didn't have access to television, anyway. as it was in the beginning, it is now and to the end in my child eye view. the history i have learned since i escaped that supposedly new world supports it adamantly. there are similar stories in the bible.
that pisses me right off, and it is such a devastating lie…
the hypocrisy of the heavily censored media of the 60's pissed me off so royally that i needed anger management classes before my psychotherapy was able to proceed. as i wade through the prison level security to have lunch with my kindergarten and 3rd grade foster daughters, i find that rage reemerging toward educated professionals who tell me these threats are new. have you never studied history? forgetting history is a fool's wish to do it all again.

as i wade through that security for an elementary school lunch, i wonder often about the emotional impact of being educated within the confines of prison level security.
 
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i think teenagers are as variable as adults.

i didn't need media to normalize the violent devastation i lived in the 60's. didn't have access to television, anyway. as it was in the beginning, it is now and to the end in my child eye view. the history i have learned since i escaped that supposedly new world supports it adamantly. there are similar stories in the bible.

the hypocrisy of the heavily censored media of the 60's pissed me off so royally that i needed anger management classes before my psychotherapy was able to proceed. as i wade through the prison level security to have lunch with my kindergarten and 3rd grade foster daughters, i find that rage reemerging toward educated professionals who tell me these threats are new. have you never studied history? forgetting history is a fool's wish to do it all again.

as i wade through that security for an elementary school lunch, i wonder often about the emotional impact of being educated within the confines of prison level security.

Thank you so much for your input. It is so valuable to all of us. My son wasn’t trafficked, but he was, unbeknownst to me, the victim of his birth father’s pedophilia for the first 3 1/2 years of his life. I don’t know the extent of it, but knowing my first husband I know it was intense. My son has a gift for photography. He started taking photos of the flowers and animals in the neighborhood when he was 12. His images were incredible. He created a photo book when he was 13, completely on his own. Highly intelligent, high functioning on the spectrum, two extreme gifts-photography and tech. He has sold and given away all of his photography equipment and plans on burning every last piece of his photography in a huge bonfire, because it triggers him so much of the things that were done to him by the monster I was married to. I was keeping a watchful eye over my twin daughters during this time, never in my mind could I have ever conceived that so much harm could come to my baby boy. He is only alive today because I have coached him all of his life. My father committed suicide when I was 16 and I knew the devastation it leaves behind. But sometimes I wonder if it wouldn’t be more compassionate to just let the torment end. It’s just so hard to watch. Having my own PTSD, I really feel for him. I am not in support of suicide. But sometimes I wonder. In the past 2 years I have tried to take my life 4 times. I just couldn’t take it any more. It’s hard to imagine, but my second husband is worse than my first. Just want the pain to stop. Sorry for the overshare. Thanks for being here. ❤️
 
i think teenagers are as variable as adults.

i didn't need media to normalize the violent devastation i lived in the 60's. didn't have access to television, anyway. as it was in the beginning, it is now and to the end in my child eye view. the history i have learned since i escaped that supposedly new world supports it adamantly. there are similar stories in the bible.

the hypocrisy of the heavily censored media of the 60's pissed me off so royally that i needed anger management classes before my psychotherapy was able to proceed. as i wade through the prison level security to have lunch with my kindergarten and 3rd grade foster daughters, i find that rage reemerging toward educated professionals who tell me these threats are new. have you never studied history? forgetting history is a fool's wish to do it all again.

as i wade through that security for an elementary school lunch, i wonder often about the emotional impact of being educated within the confines of prison level security.
I am unsure what they mean by new 🤔. I think many people are not aware of the past, unless they lived through something that shook them. I can understand your anger and it must be triggering. You are brave and kind… yes history, well I sometimes wonder why we have to learn it, if we just keep repeating it. I changed history in my family, just a you are doing with your foster kids. That small change can become a big change in generations to come. Unfortunately, we can’t change stupidity and those responsible for building these jail like schools, well it seems they haven’t or don’t want to understand or see that other ways are possible. We can, because we see it through the eyes of our own childhood in my opinion 🧚‍♂️. Susan
 

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