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The Difference Between Boundaries And Ultimatums

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How does one go about setting boundaries without them sounding like ultimatums?
What is the difference between the two?
I have no problems being or talking assertively like "please don't use that tone of voice"
but "I'll do this if you do that"....is not a part of my vocabulary. usually i just do it without threats.
and in this case, it seems as if the behaviour will repeat itself anyway so i need to either
have a plan or leave.
 
Don't think of boundaries as threats, think of them as stating your limit. They're not a way to control the actions of others,,, nobody can make anybody else do or not do anything. Boundaries are lines that you draw for yourself.

For example, instead of saying "If you do XYZ, I'll do ABC", think more "I cannot tolerate XYZ behavior, and I choose not to be a part/ a target/etc."
 
An ultimatum v.s. a boundary:

"Ultimatums come from a desire for control and force. Boundaries come from a place of power and strength.

Ultimatums shut down options. Boundaries open up choices.

Ultimatums stop a conversation. Boundaries start one.

Ultimatums threaten with consequences. Boundaries offer a chance to seek a solution.

Ultimatums are rigid. Boundaries are firm, yet resilient."

Ultimatums often end a relationship. Boundaries invite a relationship to change."

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Also "Dialectical behavioral therapy (DBT) has an entire module dedicated to what’s called “interpersonal effectiveness.” In other words, it teaches skills on “how to get what you want from someone else, while still remaining friends.” Christy Matta has an entire blog dedicated to DBT here on PsychCentral if you’re interested in learning more, but these five basic essentials from DBT that I’ll describe below can really make a difference:

1. Choose an appropriate time and have an opener to the conversation. You probably have had the experience of someone asking you something really important at the absolute wrong time, or of someone demanding something from you, seemingly out of the blue. How’d that go? Not well, most likely. Choose a time where both you and your partner are not in a hurry, not distracted by other things (including technology), and have set the tone for a chat. Next, start with a soft opening, such as “How are you today?” or “I have been looking forward to talking with you about some things–is now a good time?” Using these strategies also shows respect for your partner; they may not be in the right frame of mind to be receptive to what you want to say, and this gives them an opportunity to say so.

2. Describe what the problem or issue is. This is where it is imperative to remain factual and give examples, but not become defensive or accusatory. The simpler the description, the better.

3. Express your feelings and opinions about the problem. Here’s where the part about “boundaries vs. ultimatums” comes into play. An ultimatum would come out as, “You should/should not,” “You have to,” or “You can’t.” A more appropriate expression of feelings and opinions, in which you are setting boundaries, would be stated as “I want” or “I don’t want.” For example: “I want you to help me with cleaning the house,” is more effective than, “You should be doing much more to help me keep this house clean–all you do is lie around all day, watching tv!”

4. Assert your stance about the issue. Again, this is good boundary-setting. As they say in the DBT Skills Training Manual*, “Assume that others cannot read your mind” (p. 125). The objective is to both state clearly what you want, which may include saying no. To use the example from the previous tip, being specific helps: “Every day, I want you to wash the dishes, hang up the wet towels, and put your dirty clothes in the basket.” When you do this, there’s little question about your expectations. If your partner objects, go back to Tip #2 and start again, or consider resuming the conversation later.

5. Wrap up the conversation by telling your partner the positive effects of getting what you have asked for. Is your partner’s assistance going to make you less cranky? More likely to want to spend time with them? Help them feel better about themselves? Because without a “good” reason to change the behavior, why should they?"
(Article link here: http://blogs.psychcentral.com/wellness/2011/05/boundaries-versus-ultimatums/ )
 
Thank you all so much. I'd like to share what happened the next time he lashed out at me. It was a very loud overreaction caused by his "not needing" my help. I asked him several times to lower his voice and calm down to no avail. Then I said "I cannot participate in this sorry". Minutes later he joined me in the next room and asked me if I had asked my roomate to call the cops. "No, why would I do that?" He explained that his anger issues has caused both him and others so many problems. He has ended in hospitals, been overmedicated and been called a monster by people he really cared about.

"Are you afraid of me? Anger is a part of me and I can't change that for you or anyone. I am done trying."
"Do you feel that I am listening to you?"
"Yes very much so."
"So I don't ask you to change. I ask that you respect that this is my home and safe haven and I need to feel safe here. This is where I relax and collect stress free and pleasant memories"
"Yes, I want to respect that fact. I can see how anger can cause you and everyone including me pain and suffering. I don't want that."
"All I want is to reduce the amount of pain and suffering we go though. Less pain=less stress"

I proceeded to find points where we could agree. I said "I know what it feels like to want to be one way and sense that everyone wants you to be another way. I grew up very religious and the fact that I do not commit to anyone makes me promiscuous in other eyes. I don't see myself that way but I have been willing to pay the price of rejection and worse for being me. I never meant to hurt anyone. I don't lie and I don't cheat. And I am done with fighting with you or anyone cause the stress it causes hurts us both.I simply have learned to express my anger differently than you."

The message went through. I am not walking on egg shells and I am not his doormat. I also asked him to read that article on Gaslighting people recommended here. I told him that it was very likely that we have both had a taste of Gaslighting and that we must have the courage to tell each other if we feel that that is what is happening again by either of us because if it does we need to put a stop to it.

Its not the end of the lashing but it is a start of a long process and he has committed himself to the relationship in ways that benefit us both. It is his first personal relationship involving trust, friendship and sex in 8 years. I don't want to jump the gun and admit that I am as taken by him as I am. I need to keep my eyes wide open especially now.
 
Hi :)
Can anyone here help me with expressing my boundaries with my husband who may well have ptsd but is denying everything, even his horrid attitude towards me?
I've said plainly I don't want to be lied to, I don't like to have secrets kept from me (it's the secrecy I struggle with, not the content - except when he had a text affair, but that's for a different thread maybe?) I've told him it makes me feel unloved and disrespected to be lied to - and all I get is eye rolling, called a nag, too sensitive, a winger and so on - then I'm told the situation is like that because of my supposed said attributes and then when I say I'm hurt he would feel llike that about me he leaves, telling me he won't talk when I'm 'like this' and I get days and days of silent treatment and sometimes don't know where he is.
How or when will he realise this is harmful, that I'm not out to get him or hurt him - and how can I make my limits known or heard in a way he can hear - I've tried everything, even bought rori rayes book and the respect principle book,,,, but he is shut down and my head hurts from banging it off a brick wall :(
 
@redsandy What your husband is doing is call PROJECTION? He is projecting onto you, exactly HIS behavior, but blames you and says its your behavior. He's not taking responsibility for his actions or words.

Keep placing boundaries, and don't let him cross them. It's basically like teaching a young child. If they don't respect the boundary, then there is a consequence. That could be just walking away from him when he starts, or leaving the house. Do whatever it takes, but be consistent and don't lose your cool. I know very difficult, but it can be done. Eventually he will learn.....
 
@redsandy YOU get to set your boundary. He has no say.

A boundary is your own personal limit. If you refuse to be lied to, then don't excuse the lying.

PTSD does not cause somebody to lie or cheat. If he's trying to excuse his actions with PTSD, he's full of it. By saying you're whining, crazy, overreacting etc, he is gas lighting you. He's deflecting attention off himself.

You have to decide what your limit is. You cannot make him stop lying. You can only decide if you'll stick around and let him lie.
 
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