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Trauma Reenactment Triangle

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Venusian

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I had a discussion tonight in my group session that I thought I would share. It was about how people, any people, can get hooked into a triangle. The 3 corners of the triangle are 1) victim, 2) persecutor/abuser and 3) rescuer.

I can understand it to a point but to actually start to talk about it is hard so there is still a lot of work I have to do to understand it. In any interpersonal drama there is this triangle and people can slide from one corner to another depending on what they are trying to do. A person who is having a crisis can pull us into the triangle by being a victim but then they threaten to do something if they don't get the attention they want and then slide over into the persecutor corner and we are left to become either their rescuer or their victim. The other option is to get off the triangle, to disengage from it. The hard part is knowing when there is a legitimate need to be in the role and when we have to disengage.

For most of us, especially those of us with childhood abuse, it is the first type of human interaction we learned. We are forced into a victim role or to get any type of need met we have to learn to manipulate someone else into that role or to become a rescuer. In some dynamics the persecutor forces us to be a victim and then manipulates themselves to be seen in the role of rescuer. It can be crazy making and we don't even know we are caught up in it. There is also the dynamic where the persecutor can hook us in to the role of victim and we pull in a third party because we are looking for a rescuer. In this scenario, in most cases we need to take a breath and realize that we can rescue ourselves. It is just our experience that keeps us in the role of victim and we don't have to be there.

There are a lot of articles on this triangle and at the heart of it is the need for control. The aggressor controlling the victim, the rescuer taking control of the situation and the victim giving up control. It is a concept that seems so simple but can get complicated so quickly as some people can be master manipulators on this triangle.
 
I wish I could explain it better. There are a lot of times people come to me because they need to talk about a crisis in their life. Usually that is the only time they ever talk to me, but I find they want sympathy, they want me to do something that I really don't want to do and they try and make me feel guilty. I realized last night that I am suddenly cast in the role of persecutor even though I didn't start the conflict and I did not ask to be cast in that role and I need to find a way to get out of the triangle with no guilt.

As an example, my parents are great at doing that, it is always my fault that I don't want to talk, that I don't ever visit, that I don't talk to my siblings, that we aren't a close family. It doesn't matter that they never contact me either, they never make the journey to see me. I am refusing to take on that guilt anymore. I am reevaluating some of the relationships I have and why they feel so wrong and what I have to do to make it a healthier relationship so that no one is either a victim or a persecutor. If that other person does not want a healthier relationship without the drama then I will have to think about if I still want to have that relationship at all.
 
Thank you Venusian. I think you explained it beautifully. I spent the weekend in this triangle. Maybe with a bit more awareness I can stay out of it. It is the sliding around moment by moment that is so terribly confusing.

The difficulty for me is figuring out where there is a legitimate need that I have a duty or the band-width to address. Any thoughts?
 
Thank you Abstract. The lynneforrest article - although long - is incredibly helpful. I KNOW what we are doing is not working - but "what's the alternative?" And that article really spells it out and explains a great deal of why it is so... shifting, and confusing. And helps make clear how another person can "try" to "pull you back into the dynamic."

The graphic in the first link is very helpful too. Haven't had the chance to watch the video yet...
 
Eleanor, I am glad it was helpful. I found it enlightening when I first saw it. If you look around there is a lot on it and some of it goes into much greater detail. Have you looked at Transactional Analysis before? I have only done so very briefly but found it helpful as a reference when in the moment and wanting to check what dynamic is playing out. There are quite a few videos on youtube about it too.

It sounds like you have been trapped in a cycle with H where he has been emotionally abusive. Learning to break that cycle and not played the role you are being pushed into can help. I am sorry things have been so difficult. With the cycle of abuse it can take months or even years to complete a cycle sometimes.
 
It takes us (on average) three days to go through the bad bit. :confused: Then it will be quiet for about a month. Then bad. I keep data. :watching::geek:

I will look up transactional analysis. For the moment I am going to focus on taking care of myself. He will have to do his own thing. Emotional abuse it has certainly become. Count me out.
 
I have drawn a diagram for the triangle. I hope this makes it a little more clear. By knowing where you are in the triangle and what some of the underlying motivations are is how you can figure out how to get off of it.

Victim - I'm Blameless
Persecutor - I'm Right
Rescuer- I'm Good

and in the middle of the 3 points is the grey area of denial.

(the diagram I made did not work)

One thing we have to remember is that the persecutor is not always a true villain and a victim can become the persecutor if the person they have placed as a rescuer does not do what the victim wants them to do. There can be many, many, motivations for each of the roles but these are the basic ones,
 
@Venusian, is there something I need to do with that link? Cut and paste it?

The thing I really like about the lynne forrest piece is that she explains how different perspectives will "assign" the roles differently and how they can shift around all over the place in very short order. The net effect is to get one so "into" the whole blame game that there is no way to address the actual problem or look at your own feelings or take independent action. That is part of what is so confusing in my interactions with my H - that in his "normal" self he comes at things from a "rescuer" perspective (as I do.) But when he "switches" he goes into persecutor mode (feeling he is a victim and just defending himself by attacking me - who he casts as a persecutor.) I then feel totally unjustly accused and misunderstood and defend myself - strengthening his sense of being ignored and attacked. So he renews his complaints and... on we go. Yadda yadda yadda. The curious thing is that what often triggers him is me actually needing some comfort/understanding/help from him. Particularly if he feels he's failed me in any way so feels guilty. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out how NOT to trigger that - but, really, that's not MY problem. I am a pretty fair communicator - I don't blame - I have been practicing non-violent communication and so am careful to separate the cause of my feelings (my interpretation of events) from the occasion/his actions. I try to make concrete requests. I don't, as a rule, perhaps too much? blame him for stuff.

I DO tend to obsess about how to "help" him and what is going on with him. I will now stop doing that as it is (four years in) clearly not helping. (I'm not a very quick study.) I will now, when I must obsess about rescuing, obsess about rescuing ME. I will leave him be, and if he asks for help I will count the cost and decide.
 
@Eleanor the link was supposed to be a diagram I made but when I posted it became what looked like a link. Sorry, I did try and edit it but could only list the words.

What I took from the talk yesterday is what you said you were going to try and do, just step back out of the role of rescuer and let the other person be a grown up and do things for themselves. We can get caught up in those old patterns of interaction that it seems impossible to do something different. It is scary to try something different but if the result is a healthier relationship then it is worth it.

I did the same thing with my daughter last week, she and her husband have started their own business and they had to hire their first employee and it was so much harder than they expected it to be. There is a lot of legal stuff they have to do to do it correctly and they didn't know how to start. I could have just jumped in and rescued them but instead I just guided her to where she needed to get the information and she can run with it from there. She is doing it herself and I don't have to be involved any further and I can just be mom and grandma, not a business advisor. I got off the triangle and it feels good to know I helped but was not a rescuer because she just needed a hand and not a shield. I hope that makes sense.
 
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