What Are The Consequences Of Admitting You Are Suicidal?

[Deleted member 541]

Glad that you are feeling better...The *ups & downs* of PTSD can debilitate a person. Never knowing from one day to the next how you are going to feel. Keep shopping, eat chocolate, and feel better!!!!!!

 

[kers]

I'm glad you are feeling better, but also that you were able to find a way to discuss it with your psychologist. Having that person in your corner, and aware of everything that's going on, is so helpful to you.

 

[2quilt]

Just checking in to let you know that I am feeling 100% better. I think that I just needed a few more days on the correct doseage and now I am calm, happy, acting normal and looking forward to a long life.

Thanks to all of you for your comments and support for me during that tough time. This is a wonderful forum filled with high-quality people.

 

[Die Hard The Hunter]

I had a response typed up. Maybe I should have read the last few posts. lol

There's a difference between being 'suicidal' and wanting to die. As long as you don't make threats to kill yourself or others, I think you still have rights. There have been times when I genuinely wanted life to end (sometimes caused by depression, but usually caused by SSRIs, ironically), but didn't have the nerve to actually take action.

If you ever get to that point again, gods forbid, you could tell your counselor that you've lost interest in living, or that you desperately need relief and don't know if you can take life anymore, or something that emphasizes how you feel, not what you intend to do. I think it's the do part that scares professionals.

BUT. You're feeling better now. Good job. :occasion:

 

[Manic11]

Glad to hear it 2Quilt! Hope that doesn't change!! :Hug_emoticon:

Manic

 

[naturalfirebrand]

I have had suicidal thoughts for decades. I cannot act on them since I have 3 children and I do not wish to do this to them.

I have spoken with doctors about them with the added staement that I will never act upon them for the reason above. My father, sister and nephew have all killed themselves so I have seen this from the other side. I have moved to a new area and started treatment yet again. I do not know if this time it will work when other times have not but I do know doing nothing will not help. There has to be a better way.

I just want them to go away.

 

[maria]

For those of you who have admitted these feelings to a provider, (or those who know how it goes) what are the consequences? I have never been inpatient, but I have heard that your rights to privacy and even choosing your own clothing are taken away from you, cant pee in private, cant shower in private, the gown they make you wear is see-through and the ward is co-ed ( danger!)

Hi 2quilt

I've been an inpatient more than once. The business about using the bathroom or showering has applied only when I've made a serious suicide attempt and only for a day or two. That's not the situation in your case anyway.

As far as clothing is concerned, I always been allowed to wear my own clothing. They've even had washers and dryers. When I went in with just the clothes on my back, they gave me sweat pants and a tee shirt which were mine to keep. They had no hospital markings on them. As for sleeping arrangements, they segregates the sleeping quarters, such as guys sleeping in one wing and women in another. I never had a room anywhere in the vicinity of a man. Plus there is staff on duty 24/7 so nobody goes wandering at night. If I had trouble sleeping sometimes I'd be able to watch TV, but staff always stayed with me.

One hospital I stayed at had a gym on another floor with exercise bikes, weights, a basketball court, and things like that. They also had a separate dining room. Patients were also encouraged to go outdoors several times a day. All the hospitals had a small courtyard or something similar for this purpose.

My experience had been that staff in psych wards are very caring. They do this work because they want to help people. There's nothing to be afraid of.

If the thoughts of suicide are hounding you, I think you can see that you'd be better off going in voluntarily. If you sign yourself in, you can generally sign yourself out. You won't have that option if you attempt suicide and are committed.

Good luck

maria

 

[Gloria]

My brother, sister and uncles both maternal and paternal sides have committed suicide. Because of my history, the evaluators always want to admit even when I swear to them that I am not suicidal. Then they let me out in a day. I admit that when I go to the hospital that I am suffering from depression. I was overwhelmed with grief after my sister died and since my sister just committed suicide, my sons were really concerned that I would do it also so I went in for their sake to get evaluated, never thinking they would admit me.

But they did....... I present as being very well groomed and rational yet they still admit me. It's for their protection against a malpractice lawsuit not my protection. According to statistics, someone like me with a family history has a very high risk of suicide and if they let me out, they would be liable. However, I do have a sense of humor. They go to great lengths to strip you of anything that you could commit suicide with. Every time before I leave, I point out and show them all the ways I could have committed suicide had I been so inclined. I am absolutely sure that if I was so inclined, I know I could do it. God, I hate suicide and hope that people on the forum will call emergency numbers before doing something stupid. My brother committed suicide 25 years ago and it still hurts. You wouldn't want to leave that legacy.

 

[a3a2]

Hey, 2, I am so glad you are feeling better! Horray for retail therapy and good friends!

 

[BradAnderson]

What Are The Consequences Of Admitting You Are Suicidal?
Whatever they WANT.
Do not admit you are even thinking about suicide, or even having intrusive unwanted daydreams about it.
NEVER SAY THAT WORD!
And do NOT go to a hospital! EVER!
If you do, then they can justify doing anything they want.
I was having depression as a result of drug interactions, and my doctor told me to go to the ER and have them check to make sure nothing was wrong, and to maybe get some medication to calm down. My gut told me to stay safe, but my Dr. said "this is the first step in your getting better," and I trusted him over my gut.
Worst mistake EVER.
I told them at the desk "I'm feeling suicidal," and they asked me how I'd do it; and in answer to that leading question I told them the first thing that popped into my mind: "I don't know, go to the zoo and get eaten by a lion or something." They called this "a suicide plan."

They didn't CARE that this was all just a daydream or fantasy-drama rather than a serious intent! They didn't CARE that I was claustrophobic! They didn't CARE that I had separation anxiety!
All they cared about, was that the law says that if you say the "Suicide" word, then the Constitution goes down the toilet-- along with all Due Process of law; because then they can say you're "dangerous" and have you involuntarily admitted to a hospital-- basically FOREVER.
And they can (and WILL) twist everything you say as "proof" that you need to be here. Sure you can get a court hearing, but judges typically accept whatever the hospital says. They can also subject you to whatever they want as "treatment," no matter how horrendous, and play mind-games to coerce you into accepting it-- like "don't you want to get better?" and otherwise hinting that things will get WORSE if you don't.

The main reason for this, is that the law SAYS they can, when "a person with a mental illness;" and if you're officially disabled with PTSD, then you are on record as having a mental illness. Sure it's discrimination and stereotyping and stigma under the ADA, but NOBODY CARES!

So if you have PTSD and are collecting disability, any quack can just decide on their sole discretion that you're "dangerous," and away you go! And if you don't like it, they'll say that's PROOF that you need to be there!
And even if you get out, it's very difficult to sue them, since you have to prove that you weren't dangerous; and doctors can just make up anything and call it "their professional opinion." I had one psych in the hospital call me "paranoid" just because I was imprisoned in a psych-ward, and wasn't as cheerful as at a birthday-party! (Now THAT would be crazy).

FACT: 8,300,000 Americans have suicidal thoughts every year; but since they aren't on record has having "mental illness" then they can't be sent away... but if you got PTSD, then you have no rights, and the whole world's essentially against you.

So do not EVER say "suicide!" Or ANYTHING about death!
EVER!
And do not go to a hospital! Once you go in, you may never come out!

Remember: the police, courts, and hospitals are NOT your friends! When it comes to mental health, they're far more barbaric, since they can rationalize it; meanwhile criminals have tons of rights protected under the constitution.
In contrast, the courts have ruled that private doctors and hospitals owe NO duty to the Constitution, since they're "private actors--" even though they wield state power via being able to hold and process individuals for court, which normally only the state executive branch can do.

The solution: don't give them a chance.

 

[joeylittle]

All they cared about, was that the law says that if you say the "Suicide" word, then the Constitution goes down the toilet-- along with all Due Process of law; because then they can say you're "dangerous" and have you involuntarily admitted to a hospital-- basically FOREVER.
And they can (and WILL) twist everything you say as "proof" that you need to be here. Sure you can get a court hearing, but judges typically accept whatever the hospital says. They can also subject you to whatever they want as "treatment," no matter how horrendous, and play mind-games to coerce you into accepting it-- like "don't you want to get better?" and otherwise hinting that things will get WORSE if you don't.

This is not my experience of reality in the US; I'm very sorry this happened to you. I have safely gone to the hospital before, more than once, and have never been treated in this frightening fashion.

I'm also not entirely sure how what you are saying relates to HIPPA - the Health Insurance Portability and Privacy Act.
(http://www.caringinfo.org/files/public/ad/HIPPA_Privacy_Rule.pdf)

 

[Red rose]

hiya I'm 19 and I'm about to loose my mind I can't cope with my life I'm fed up and don't see anything to keep fighting for but I just feel it would be Easyer and much better if I could be with my mum in a better place tbh I can't live without her ive tried and I can't do it but I don't no who to turn to because it I tell the true how I really feel I don't no what will happen but if I don't get help now I don't no what I'm going to do and I can't fight these feeling I just really am stuck for that to do I don't want ur attention or anything like that believe me it's gone passed that I just can't cope anymore