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What Are Your Thoughts On Forgiveness?

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I tend to agree with Kragger and Junebug. Forgiveness is for me, not for the person I'm forgiving. Carrying resentment or anger around is hard on me. Don't get me wrong, I'm no saint. And it's a lot easier to feel forgiving when I'm feeling good than when I'm not. Plus, I have never experienced the type of evil, intentional abuse that so many people here have. Not sure what my feelings on forgiveness would be if I had.
 
I was told by church members I had to forgive over and over and believe that I did. I forgave those that were continuing to defile me. BUT NOT TODAY today there is no forgiveness left in me for them.
And then two years later when his friend came to finish the job that he had started. I forgive myself for being unable to stop him... ok need to stop now am postin as tears are startin and I need to smoke

I forgave my mom I understood that she was ill, I didnt start getting "miffed" until 2007, and that was because I was struggling more and she was still doing her "thing"

Forgiveness for me right now...is something I have reserved for me.
Forgiveness is something I reserve for

OK dont think perhaps i should be posting here...but i am need to just post and move on maybe the diary thing i dont know...
been sick and my ears feel like they are ringing and am dizzy

I can do this i can do this
I forgive them everytime I take a step and cant walk properly and am reminded of what they did because of it
scrap that I dont
right now I dont forgive any of them and thats cool
thats cool ritgh now
am cool I can do this


OK I can do this
I did forgive but I think today I am invoking my right to revoke it

just want to make it stop
 
Fin, there's a lot of courage in you. You don't "have to" forgive, and it's perfectly OK to change your mind. It's YOUR mind. :Hug_emoticon:

Luthien, I don't think you have to change anything or "rise above". You are obviously a very understanding and forgiving person by nature. If someone has exceeded EVEN YOUR ability to forgive, that is a measure of THEIR wrong NOT your capacity.

The reason my take is the way it is, is because of what Patrick stated about anger and resentment. These sentiments were eating me alive, destroying every waking moment of my life. I HAD to let it go, for me. Not for some high-flown notion. Purely practical.
 
I am a very forgiving person. Don't get me wrong. However... I had the principal shoved down my throat as if it were a ticket for the abuser to continue abusing without change, remorse or empathy toward their victim(s).

'Repentence' is the act that enables forgiveness to happen. It isn't something for me to withhold, or to give, in that case. I don't care if the abuser can or can't or won't 'repent' of their behaviors and RECEIVE forgiveness from anyone, whether me, their maker or the justice system. I can leave, walk away... 'turn away'. So THEN my heart can heal from what they did.

Forgiveness (to me) means that I let go of any need to retaliate, or get even with them for what they did. I let go of bitterness, hate, resentment, and any other negative feelings that will cause ME harm. I am free to choose to let it go... and move on.

Taking responsibility for keeping myself safe (separated and apart) from an abuser does not mean I am an unforgiving person at all. Just because I can forgive a wrong does not mean I must continue a relationship with that person. That isn't part of forgiving.
 
Mmm... I studied A Course In Miracles (ACIM) for years and it's main topic seems to be forgiveness.
Still I may have to ask what forgiveness really IS.

My idea of forgiveness is that I can do it when I know or realize that I am 'bigger' than the event or the circumstances.
ACIM says something like (if I get that right) we are basically invulnerable (as spirit), and that it helps to be in touch with that. Theory (and I'm aware it's theory and practice is another issue) is that if you know you can't (really) be hurt you will not need to forgive, either. Seeing the innocence in everyone. Again, theory and practice are two things... Stil the theory has been helpful for me to ponder....

I can very much relate to what A-RON said about one day being able to forgive and next day wanting to kill.

I'm also learning that sometimes I just need to not respond and walk away and STAY away from certain people and situations, and that's my own responsibility. It's not really forgiveness perhaps but it's better than nothing. Just to avoid a person and/or not say anything rather than open my mouth and be hurtful.

I agree that I don't forgive the other person for their sake but for my own.
I think I'm also a fan of the idea of forgiving a person without even letting them know...

Freya
 
forgiveness from one Christian's perspective

For me, forgiveness is an essential part of my life. I would have committed suicide many times over without it. Most important for me to recognize, is that true forgiveness is not within my power to do alone. I need to ask God to forgive my guests. I was a child prostitute, very highly trained ( operant conditioning and brainwashing). MY T and I figured that if I was made available for 1/2 the year and sold only 1/2 of that time, and had only one guest, that means 90 rapes a year from more than ten years. Obviously, abandonment is a big problem for me. You can read more about all this in my diary two entries ago.
 
9/11 and forgiveness

I want to tell you a story. After the World Trade Center tragedy, when the site was safe enough to visit, the Greek Archbishop of New York and the parish priest of St. Nicholas Church went to see what they could salvage from the church. St. Nicholas Church had been across the road and became a pile of rubble. They found a partly burned bible and a partly burned prayer book. To their amazement they also found a small paper icon that had been in a wooden and glass frame resting on the top of the pile. It depicted St. Dionysius of Zakinthos - a saint I had never heard of. So I decided to try to find out why God should leave that particular saint where only he could be found. You can find the whole story of his life on the net. I'm only going to tell you the forgiveness part.

St. Dionysius had established a monastry on the island of Zakinthos where he was the Abbot. One night, a man came to the monastery gates yelling and banging on the door. The monk doorman told him to be quiet but the man banged all the harder. St Dionysius came out to see what was the matter. The man said he needed to make his confession right away. So The Abbot calmly and seriously led him over to the church. They stood before the icons and the Abbot heard his confession and absolved him. Then there came another clatter at the door of the monastery. Again, the Abbot went to see what was the matter. The crowd asked if he had seen a murderer. The Abbot soberly pointed up the road and said they might find him up there. Then, he went back to the man waiting in the church. The abbot found him some old clothes and a small boat and told him to go far far away. That man's confession was that he had murdered the Abbot's own brother. Now St. Dionysius had the choice to see that man as forgiven by God completely and therefore free or see to civil justice demands that he hand over the murder.

Some people say this a story of repentance and it is. But for me, it is a story about taking good spiritual care of your own soul. The question that came to my mind was, how does one grow the tree of forgiveness in the garden of one's soul to be strong and full of fruit so ripe it can be handed out so easily and with such great love?

Jesus came as man and God to give the free gifts of forgiveness and reconcilation to us for us to give away just as freely.........For me, It takes a long time and lost of practice.....Gardening in my soul, I weed out the smallest choking vines before they can do me any harm, the thorny shrubs before they can grow into bushes, pull up the weeds of jealousy, envy, anger, bitterness and hatred. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that anyone has the right NOT to be sinned against. Some of us got more some got less, but since we have been sinned against , we have the responsibility, when we are ready, with God's help to wash that sin against us away.
 
I don´t know anything about the project but for me forgivness is all about making peace with yourself. If I forgive I can stop thinking about them and start dealing with my issues and when I´m not afraid to think about them I can deal with my issues in a better way, more calmly, consentrated. Just for my own peace.
 
I had to forgive my abusers. i was so filled with rage for them that I could do nothing. I was just an angry person, filled with hatred and rage. I turned that hatred and rage onto everyone I came in contact with. My tongue could cut you down in 2 seconds, if I felt the need or the urge.

I lived like this for years. Finally a Psychiatrist asked me if my life was really working for me???? I thought about it, and told him no. He told me that when I was ready to let go of my anger and hatred, he would help me to live better. I asked him, "How in the hell am I supposed to get over being angry at hat they did to me?" He told me that I needed to forgive them for MYSELF........ That it didn't mean that I condoned what they did to me, but in order to heal I needed to let go of the anger, and forgive.

It took a long time to let it go, but I wanted ME... I wanted a chance at being a whole person, one without the rage and hatred.....I wanted to be free.....
 
I never really got to voice any anger or hatred ...I had a child and he could never know what had happened to me...

I kept going for years taking on soo much stuff, more work causes, everything....

I could never let my son know anything he was little and I had to protect him...and then last year I ended up yelling something at him that told him something wasnt right...all the years that I had managed to keep going despite whatever happened to me...and then that.

Thats why I am angry...or go in and out of anger now...and I blame myself if I could have just kept quiet he never needed to know any of it...he doesnt really now, its just he knows one thing...

Oh and then I showed him how fantastic this website was...I am now worried he may come on...because I said he could come here as there was another section for family carers etc...well now Im worried he will come on and read the rest of it...Which is why I havent been able to get into anything really in my diary...It is open there and he could find it.

I always believed I could just keep going...just keep going.

I have to say now...I really think that at some point it is ok to be angry and hurt by what has happened...Im not saying it to justify anything I just feel that anger is an emotion that if it isnt acknowledged feeds in...

But I do believe we have to make peace with ourselves...and while I believed I had forgiven, the day my son left home I suddenly felt I could go round to at least one persons house and say something...make a noise say something that countered all the lies that he had said to get out of it. And that I had to "rise above" because I had a little'un and I knew what would happen if I opened my mouth again.

Well I dont have to be afraid any more and I can say something and shout now. I dont have to relive these things never making a noise... I dont have to worry about anything happening to me because it doesnt matter now...my baby is all grown up. Its just me

and now Im thinking if I can think I can cope with the people that did this or that I LET do this I am wondering why not the pTSD...why cant I cope with that because I really feel like I cant ...even though I will fight now...I hope...with every bit of strength I have left to get through this...it isnt going to beat me......it isnt
 
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