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What do you think about the phrase 'trauma doesn't define you"?

Movingforward10

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Lots of people say "trauma doesn't define you". But I really struggle with that, as it is part of what defines me.

It's not the whole sum of me. But I actually don't know who I would be without my trauma, given it happened to me whilst I was growing up. So it is a very big part of my identity. Like my sexuality is. Or my gender. Or my ethnicity and my culture.
It's part of who I am.

It's articles like this that confuse me:


Because it says itrauma shapes who we are, but it doesn't define us.
But if something shapes who we are, then it is part of what defines us. Surely?

What are your thoughts?
 
Trauma definitely defined me when I was really unwell. It's sad that that's the case but I see very clearly that's the truth of it. How could I possibly disregard how else I was? Does it define me now?... no it dosent. Years of hard work and patience have beaten that label/phrase down. It dosent now define how I am. I am a different person now. Thriving not surviving. And how can I do myself the disservice of negating something that I have achieved and overcome?

I won that battle and am proud of myself for that. Trauma dosent define me now for many reasons. I am mentally and physically well, still have my episodes now and again but hey, don't we all?! I work, get on with people, attend groups, practice Buddhism and music, do my domestic duties, socialise etc.. have a personality!!! Haha 😄 🤣.

That's what defines me now! And I am proud of myself.
 
Good question! Need to ponder on it a bit more, but wanted to say I share the bafflement.

(Also, I think there’s a huge difference between growing up traumatized and thus never being ”normal” and having a non-traumatized life f*cked later up by traumatic events.)
 
The avoidance bit certainly defines me in part. Flashbacks I wouldn't mind dispensing with, but avoiding specific things is a thing-that-gorgonzola-does.

I don't identify though with the survival thing that the article mentions in multiple places.
 
(Also, I think there’s a huge difference between growing up traumatized and thus never being ”normal” and having a non-traumatized life f*cked later up by traumatic events.)
I agree.

I don't identify though with the survival thing that the article mentions in multiple places
Me neither. I really struggle with the concept of 'survivor', I prefer 'endured'. Because I didn't survive unscarred. And I had no choice in 'surviving'. They weren't going to kill me, so I was always going to 'survive' in that sense.
So yep, I have a major problem with the concept of survivor too.


It says in the artlce something along the lines you do @survovor3, that the healing defines us more than the trauma.

I suppose for me, with the trauma there would be no healing and whilst I agree the healing defines me too, and I have made peace with my trauma, I still think it is part of what defines me. Not in a negative way but in a "this is what happened" way. And it made me , me.
 
I don't know, I think it depends. I dont think it means anything to me it's one of those mantra things to me.

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"You are not what they did to you" is something I resonate with/find helpful. on an emotional level.



trauma doesnt define you feels nebulous, it does and doesnt in lots of different ways depending on what we're actually talking about. I find "dont let your trauma define you" and similar things difficult because it isn't simple like that. yknow, if only, lol. and what "define" means branches off into lots of directions so Im not bothered with decoding it. it doesnt make a difference to me whether people say it or not.
 
At this point in my life it makes most sense to me to see myself as ”of different species”. I mean, some people get to grow in safe enough circumstances, and therefore they are able to develop normally. Those people live their everyday lives in states that reflect the situations they’re in. If they are safe they feel safe. If they are in danger they feel in danger. And their nervous systems, emotional lives and cognitive skills develop like they should cause, why not?

People like me who grow in not-safe surroundings can’t develop normally, because normal development requires a nervous system that’s not in survival mode. We grow up into an unsafe world, and the result is really different from a person that’s grown up into a basically safe world.

I sometimes say that I’m crippled. With that I mean that my nervous system is developed in a way that makes things harder for me. And some things impossible, even. It’s not unlike a brain damage. As a matter of fact I think developmental trauma is a form of brain damage. The brain is literally different from the brain of a person with a safe enough childhood.

So, does trauma define me? I’d say it does. Because of trauma I live a life that’s really fundamentally different from the life I’d lived had I had a normal childhood.

Is it bad that my trauma defines me? That’s the hegemonic narrative. You shouldn’t let your trauma/disability/disease/loss/tragedy define you. But why not? I get it’s not ideal to have it as your master identity, but if it’s a huge part of your life and impacts how your life’s turned out? Why not let it define you.

Besides, is it really a matter of choice? Like, really? At least I can spend my days resisting all kinds of mindsets till the cows come home but does it really affect the change it’s supposed to? Rarely.
 
Is it bad that my trauma defines me? That’s the hegemonic narrative. You shouldn’t let your trauma/disability/disease/loss/tragedy define you. But why not? I get it’s not ideal to have it as your master identity, but if it’s a huge part of your life and impacts how your life’s turned out? Why not let it define you.
I think sometimes phrases like this invent non-problems.
because it's not actually clear what it's saying anyway.
what IS not being defined by trauma? is it living without limitation? is it seeming unaffected? is it not repeating your trauma onto others? is being able to enjoy aspects of life despite it? is it knowing that how it limits you interpersonally doesn't make you a bad person? is it something attainable or not?
it has different connotations and meanings to everyone. some very negative ("you should not be affected by life affecting thing. don't be sad."), others not.

how helpful is it to think about whether this kind of abstract concept of "being defined" applies to you or not, as someone with something that affects you holistically.

what really is the difference between something naturally changing/having an affect on you and it defining you ? If I lose a leg and my outlook on things changes and many aspects of me and how I live change/adapt to it, is that being defined or not? if it is, and that's a bad thing, then not being defined means not reacting to anything.

in my mind I'm just living my life (as a traumatised person), trying my best to manage and understand how the past impacts me. That's it really.
I don't like delving into / grieving too much who I could've been without it, because this is my life. this is how it is. I grieve that it happened, because it's all terrible, but I don't want to start thinking I have to strive to... achieve a life where it's as if it never happened. it's a big ask, and that's not the goal, it's helping the aspects of trauma that negatively impact me to heal so it's easier. Not to in effect rewrite history.
there's 101 things about me that are because of my history that aren't hurting me too. we are the sum of all our experiences and I think the focus should be on what experiences and ideas we pass onto others/re-inflict on ourselves and which we don't. because we can't cherry pick anything, I cant just be me-sans-trauma; I process one thing and loads of stuff changes, I change. humans aren't static. you cant just lop off the bad stuff like an isolated node.

but then maybe it's about not being stuck or giving up? like you can still have things to live for and knowing things can change for the better.

I dont know, I think it's redundant, I think it's weird way of looking at/understanding trauma.
but maybe with the age of the internet and people making trauma their personality, then it is something to think about for some people? or for people who treat others how they were treated and need to realise that's a taught thing that can be changed, and is not immovable.

I get it’s not ideal to have it as your master identity
this kind of thing. my trauma informs my entire life and probably every aspect of me but I don't sum myself up as a as a rape victim (or a CSA survivor or whatever) first and foremost... if I approach life like that's the main aspect of me, it's fixed, in my mind, that I'll be *this* traumatised forever, and I'm not. different bits are gonna get better and worse and constantly are, so why put it on a pedestal and base my core identity off of the scale of my suffering? what am I gonna do when bits change unexpectedly? if I start feeling better in some way am I going to feel like Im losing myself? paradoxically it's already complicated and difficult without that, to feel better.
 
of course trauma defines me. Going thru trauma taught me some hard life lessons like hypervilance, distrust, and how to dissociate. Trauma is why I can handle anything you throw at me, even if I don't want to. It's what made me really good at 911 because I automatically listen to how people speak to determine the level of threat they are to me, but that comes at a heavy price because I can't not hear it. It's also what cost me my career, my ability to work, most of my relationships, my health and left me on the "disabled" roster.

Every negative quality I have basically came from trauma - which is one of the fundemental definition of "who you are."

Denying it is just another form of avoidance, made up by people who want to help but can only see the end result thru the silver lining. They don't like dealing with trauma so they make up all the ways we should be happy it happened,

And this part? the article
Research says that after trauma, there’s a growth inventory that occurs. Developed in 1996, trauma results in positive progress in 5 principal areas of life:
  • Appreciation of Life
  • Relationships With Others
  • New Possibilities
  • Personal Strength
  • Spiritual Change
Ya. nope. My traumas didn't give me any of those
It did not give me an appreciation of life. It just showed me I could live thru whatever life threw at me even if I wanted to die

It did not improve my relationships. It destroyed most of my ability to have relationships because I was unable to trust. Do I have them? Yep. But I always knew to hold part of me away because I knew there was something fundamentally wrong with me. And even today there are things I don't share with the people I love - because I don't trust them

New possibilities? Well it did put me on a path that went a different way than I expected, which caused me a lot of grief because it meant losing my dream career, so I guess that's a new possibility

Personal strength. Sure. Taught me I'm like a cockroach - I'm hard to kill

Spiritual change? If you say walking away from anything to do with a higher power for a long, long time then sure.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what shes trying to do. And she is right that my trauma made me who I am and I took some of the tools I learned and used them in my life. But to imply it made my life better? To insist, a as so many of them do, that there was some kind of benefit from it? That's right up there with the "oh its ok, god has a plan for you" nonsense

And that? Is f*cking insulting.
 

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