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My Medication Reduction

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Hope so Mate. It ain't over till it's over so they say. And no matter what you can always find ways to improve. I think just working on your new place will help a lot. Better surroundings, more positive.

Yeah, depression is something that comes and goes. Like some of our other problems. Hope it get better for ya'.

Jar
 
Thanks guys, it seems like a great thread has started and I would appreciate everyone else's point of view either positive or negative.

Just adding to it, a lot of new guys start medication, give it a week and then dismiss it as not working, they try another and the same, after about six different types of meds they make a claim that meds don't work. Angle made a good point in another thread when he talked about keeping an open mind. Well I agree with him and you should keep an open mind about everything both prescribed medication, alternative medication, psychology, alternative treatments, etc, etc, and diet like Jar has mentioned.
I at one stage went on to Jenny Craig, I don't know whether this is international at all, but they provide you with the food and you organise your exercise regimen. At the same time as I did this I went of 'Avanza/Remeron/Mirtazapine' or whatever it's called where you reside. I was going to the gym five days a week as well as doing 30 minutes on the treadmil at home. I lost 20 kg or 44 pounds. I looked great. The problem was that I was always starving and was not sleeping. I tried all the different sleeping medications Immovane, Stilnox, etc but to no avail, so I went back on the Avanza. I put on 10 lbs straight away then I had a knee blow out and was told I could not keep the program I was on going otherwise I would have to have a knee replacement by the age of 50. So I cut it back and put on another 10 lbs, then had a shoulder blowout where I had a slap lesion (I tore the tendon off the bone) eight weeks of doing nothing was the doctors orders. I have only recently got back from the spine specialist and he has told me to back off too otherwise I face another bout of back surgery to replace further disc's in my back. I also could not handle the food that Jenny Craig was supplying, it was too expensive, so now I weigh in at 120 kg, 266 pounds, or 19 stone.

If I was an animal they would have put me down.

So where do I go from here? I don't listen to the doctors and get out in the yard every day just about to cut down trees, clean up sections of the acre we own, stack wood. The problem I have is that night after that I lay in agony and no pain killer works.

I went back into the Army Base here and got the last few cans of harden the f*ck up I could find and have been trying those, but they have not put a dint in it either. So I am suffering in silence and won't let it beat me.

Where do I go from here.


Will be speaking to the psych soon as I have been researching Duromine or even ADHD medication as there is excellent research into how it helps people with PTSD. It can also be used as an appetite suppressant. I am going to also slow down with the exercise, still walk every day and if I don't work in the yard I will throw around a few light weights.

Anyway as a wise man once said.

I definitely agree with the statement about folks giving up on meds after a week. This society believes in quick fixes, even though there is no such thing. If any of the "FNGs" are reading this keep in mind you MUST give them pills a minimum of 6 months before you can qualify the "Shit don't work" claim. And by that time your Doc should already know that anyway. Can't cure the beast. Can't control it over night, and sure as shit cannot expect the meds to do all the work for you. There is not a single pill on the planet that cures a mental disorder. Not one! there are thousands, legal and otherwise that are intended only to make it a bit easier for you to get your shit together, even with outside help.

Speaking from experience, Jimmy, I think you are well equipped with your planning in advance for this change.

As for the weight gains, I was skinny as a rail to start with. I put on 20 pounds in a hurry and went up three waist sizes, but in my case it was a good thing. I put on another 15 after that and stabilized Oddly, I have been off the meds for quite some time now and increased my exercise, but the weight stayed. Now I sit at the target weight for my height and age +/- 5 lbs. (I take huge dumps....what can I say?)

This makes me sound like a filthy hippy, but try limiting starches, sugars, and sodium in your diet. Hell, just knocking down salt will lose you 10lbs right off the bat. As for the sugars, the easiest way I found to do this was to swear off corn syrup. It is much harder to do than it sounds, but trust me on this one, by reading labels and avoiding the stuff you can drop even more mass. starches are tricky. I found for me that less potatoes and corn really helped. Damned shame I love me some taters... Exercise alone wasn't enough for me, but these little nuggets helped me out. Not to say I dont wolf down a box of Twinkies or a 2 liter of soda or a massive portion of taters N gravy every so often....
 
Can't cure the beast. Can't control it over night, and sure as shit cannot expect the meds to do all the work for you.

There should have been a drum roll and a "Ta Da......" after that.

Sarg
 
Sludge, I know there are physiological changes to the brain due to the beast. Isn't there a change in the chemistry of the brain as well? I know they throw SSRIs around a bunch to try to undo synaptic changes. Didn't work for me. None of them. But I know some that praise them.

Maybe it's some have happened upon a chemical (med) that restored brain function enough to function. I found the med for me but the problem with it is altho it allows me to function now, I'm burning days off the far end. Tough trade off. But my choice.

Sarg


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But, yes, there are chemical changes. However, in the current , scant research on combat PTSD brain chemistry, there is a trend showing two important factors in determining what these changes are.

The first is the changes that are a direct result of our physical brain differences. Our hippocampus, amygdala, and frontal lobes have been proven without a doubt to exhibit these changes not because of the stressor incidences, but because of military training. I refuse to use the word abnormal, as the researchers and Docs do, because I can personally run mental circles around "normal" mouthbreathers. I am damn certain that is true for the bulk of us on here too. Somewhere on here there is another thread that I present that information ad nauseum, so I won't inflame my carpal tunnel by re-presenting it.:LOL:

The second proven factor is the trickiest of the bunch though. Not only are our brains different from the "normal" folks, our combat brains are different from non-combat PTSDers. In fact non-combat PTSD combat veterans show the same differences as we do, but they don't have PTSD. SO what makes us different from our comrades in arms? That quest segways us to the topic we are discussing- brain chemistry. In turns out that in a statistically significant way that , as much as I hate to admit it, we that show symptoms are more often than not predisposed to these chemical FUBARs. That isn't to say that any of us were a little nutty beforehand, but that there are structural, genetic and psychological trends in our pre-military lives that lie silently in wait. As we all know, the switch that turns them on only needs some prolonged stressors to make our wiring short out permanently. Currently heavy alcohol use, heavy pot use, and heavy use of certain standard over the counter and prescribed drugs appear to be precursors, but more research is needed. I will not get into my opinions or present supporting data in this thread as that is a completely different topic that will turn into yet another PTSD and Pot discussion, which in my mind is a moot waste of time and effort.;)

Think of it like this- you know that outlet at Christmas that has 49 plugs and plug extenders crammed in to it? The one that gets hacked together every December for the last 20 years? Yeah, that one. Just because it has never been a problem, all it takes is a bit of wind and water at the right time on the right day to cause a miniscule power surge that blows the whole mess to hell and turns your house into an inferno. Combat PTSD brains and non-combat military brains are exactly like that house with the crazy mess of Christmas plugs in it. It is just those of us with PTSD were at the right place at the right time to catch that power surge, and the others were not.

Now that may not be the best example, but it's what I got off the cuff. It can also be argued because there is ongoing research that demonstrates a likelihood that the single "power surge" may not always be the case. As some of you reading this, self included, can attest to, sometimes it takes a few surges over lots of years for the hardwiring to go FOOOM!

The problem with those two issues becomes evident when standard drugs and therapies are used. There is verified research (also presented somewhere around these forums) that shows the bulk of the drugs and the therapies that work for PTSD, do little or nothing effective for military combat PTSD... There are tons of real scientists, not MDs or whatever the Brain Pickers title themselves as these days, working on the issue, but turns out they are having trouble finding combat vets willing to participate. Something about PTSD combat vets being anti-social or some shit...:ROFLMAO:

Frustrating, I know. Welcome to the world of research science!
 
I would have to disagree with some of your statements. It's been proven, clinically, that trauma even slight trauma causes physiological changes in the prefrontal cortex, hippocampus and the amygdala . These are centers that control, among other things, decision making ability, and emotions. Physical changes in the brain equate to changes in the use of brain chemicals and therefore the chemistry of the brain.
 
I agree with you Jar, that is how my psychiatrist explained it to me. There are a lot of other theorists around, but he has had 15 years experience or more with PTSD, he is classed as an expert in his field.
 
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