Is the human species greedy, negative, ignorant, violent and destroying the planet?

[Deleted member 47099]

Okay.

 

[Ronin]

cause narrow minded

Actually, it was not narrow at all.

If all people should be wiped out (a literal statement that was said)
Then it follows children as well (unless you don't count children as people... which is also a terrible thing to say of them, as that, similarly, could excuse hurt of them, in the perp eyes / is exactly how they view them).

And wiped out is a kind of statement genocidaires use, and people for murdering masses use.
It means exactly the bloody murder that Friday was objecting against. From both the definition and colloquial use of the words, in literally any language I can think of, especially English.

history speaks for itself.

... and this might be something worth looking into.

Because, which history?
If you count actions of a few murderous dictators on a rampage (that did/do enormous damage, no question about it) as a representative of whole the humanity and history as a whole, then perhaps. But a written / writing recorded history is not the only way to (re)count history itself, nor is it the only era to be focusing on in trying to answer philosophical questions about the whole of humanity or its nature. A segment that is representative of all the badness and worst of the worst does not mean anything about others, or the best of the best. I could well argue they are a minority as far as history is concerned.

 

[Psychotic]

Actually, you said it right here



And it was implied elsewhere (as what does one do with cancer? You cut it out, irradiate it, kill it.



That means murdering every child on the planet. Every newborn baby, every kid on a swing, every student in school. From diapers to first drivers licenses. As a start.

I don’t understand how that doesn’t just make one’s brain screech to a halt that maaaaaaaybe the idea that it’s everyone? Or even most? Might just be totally wrong.

On paper it looks ridiculous that I’m mad so I’m going to go kill kids.
But burn the world, humans should be wiped out, people are a cancer, etc. makes sense to a lot of people. The whole emotional reasoning thing. Just because it feels true? Doesn’t make it true. So what are the actual logistics of wiping out the human race? Well. Okay. Let’s line the kindergarten classes up against the wall and shoot them? Or just lock them in a building a burn them, maybe? Cold dose of reality, IMO.

Firstly, atleast quote the whole of what was said, not use one line to justify what youre saying. Cause i clearly said i understand not every person is bad, and asked if it was even a normal thought process.

Youre the one who pictures lining children up against the wall to execute them, or burning them...

Im talking about a species as a whole, but like i said you lack the perception to grasp that. Like i also said youve taken it out of context, who said anything about being mad so ill kill kids?

Youre reference to what i said about cancer is also misunderstood, cancer is an illness if left unchecked will kill you, much like if humans as a species are left unchecked, theyll kill the planet. Thats just plain facts.

It baffles me how you're a moderator tbh, im new here, recently diagnosed and have never had explained what the effects of ptsd or how to deal with it, which youve read cause youve commented on that thread. So like i said, this is why the whole mental health community saying 'its ok to talk' is a joke, you totally misunderstood what i said. So no its not ok to talk, even on a ptsd forum where people will seek help, you will be judged cause you have a different thought process and people don't understand.

You dont look at the big picture, why are humans unworthy as a species to co exist with everything else here on earth, we kill, rape, abuse our own species, wipe others out, hunt for trophys, cut down whatever we please build where we want with only profit and power in mind. The list is literally endless, we as a species have the funds to solve world hunger and poverty, but greed stops that. The fact is, humans could help so much, but they're selfish beyond measure. These are facts, humans have been doing this for aslong as history has been recorded.

By feeling that we dont deserve to live here, doesnt mean i intend to go on a murdering spree killing children you weirdo.

Just because i didnt talk in detail, dont assume to know what im talking about. So wind your neck in.

Anyway, this forum is a joke. Be better off releasing my feelings and by putting a blade to myself.

 

[Ronin]

you will be judged cause you have a different thought process

(Ignoring the rest which is rather your interpretation of what anyone was saying)

Arguing a point someone is making is not a judgment of them as a person.
And it is definitely not a judgment of a person for a different thought process (what is that even supposed to be, I am yet to meet two members of here that would have a same one, we are all different.)

So maybe cling less to that persecutory victim mentality.
(And why that manipulative threat you are going to hurt yourself for something someone said on the internet? Not cool. Not cool at all.)

 

[Neverthesame]

Im talking about a species as a whole, but like i said you lack the perception to grasp that.

Kids aren't human? They're not part of the human race as a whole?
Pretty sure everyone who's an adult now, used to be a kid.

cancer is an illness if left unchecked will kill you, much like if humans as a species are left unchecked, theyll kill the planet. Thats just plain facts.

Just like cancer, we are of nature. I think looking at what we can do to adapt our environment to us in a way that's beneficial to the Earth as well as us, is a better way of going about repairing our planet than sitting around referring to ourselves as a foreign object leaking pus from a boil.

We're human, we change things. Why not think of how to change things for the better?

(And why that manipulative threat you are going to hurt yourself for something someone said on the internet? Not cool. Not cool at all.)

Amen.

 

[Psychotic]

(Ignoring the rest which is rather your interpretation of what anyone was saying)

Arguing a point someone is making is not a judgment of them as a person.
And it is definitely not a judgment of a person for a different thought process (what is that even supposed to be, I am yet to meet two members of here that would have a same one, we are all different.)

So maybe cling less to that persecutory victim mentality.
(And why that manipulative threat you are going to hurt yourself for something someone said on the internet? Not cool. Not cool at all.)

I said, id be better off, thats not a threat? Meaning, i literally would recieve more of a benefit to release by self harm than trying to use a forum to express myself instead. Its not a threat, its simply weighing up whats given me more benefit? Self harm or trying to comment on something on a ptsd website where someone showed similar 'core beliefs' to myself. Nothing to do with having a victim mentality?

If i said 75% of humans derseve to be wiped out, would that change you opinion on what i said. Or as i responded i talked about were unworthy to live on this earth, i mean the same thing its just not worded so extremely i guess. (I do have difficulty putting whats in my head to words/speech clear enough so the other person understands exactly what i mean, that was also in the thread the mod commented on before he started talking about lining up and exectuing children)

This talking about killing kids is absolutely unnecessary as thats far from the point i was trying to make. Children are innocent, theyre pure, they havent been tainted by the world we live in yet. But people are selfish, and rarely do anything for anyone UNLESS it benefits them.

Kids aren't human? They're not part of the human race as a whole?
Pretty sure everyone who's an adult now, used to be a kid.


Just like cancer, we are of nature. I think looking at what we can do to adapt our environment to us in a way that's beneficial to the Earth as well as us, is a better way of going about repairing our planet than sitting around referring to ourselves as a foreign object leaking pus from a boil.

We're human, we change things. Why not think of how to change things for the better?

Amen.

Again, talking about a species. Specifics within that species are irrelevant. (People feel empathy cause were discussing our own species, if i was talking about eradicating a field of rodents cause they were harming crops for example, no one would give a shit if theyre babies or not?)

Youre correct, we should change things for better but why havent we? It may be different where you guys are from, im guessing america? My enviroment could be completely different to yours, and it more than likely is, maybe thats why im posting in the forum about distored thoughts or beliefs....

 

[joeylittle]

Cause i clearly said i understand not every person is bad, and asked if it was even a normal thought process.

I'd say, it's an understandable thought process - but it's also distorted thinking. Cognitive distortions are common to all mental health problems, to a degree - but with PTSD, they come in all sorts, and they are one of the earliest things to tackle.

One of techniques, to deal with distorted thinking, is to identify the type of distorted thought you are having. Identifying it doesn't need to be super-precise, just in the ballpark. Thinking that the human race is fundamentally entirely deserving of destruction is a little like all-or-nothing thinking, a little like black-or-white, and a little like disqualifying the positive.

What do we do with distorted thoughts? Basically, the way to deal with them is a process called challenging them.

Challenging distorted thinking can work a number of different ways. One way- and it's especially useful when the issue is all/nothing or black/white - is to ask yourself, well where's the proof this thought is correct? And what's the proof that the thought is wrong?

That's where thinking about children comes in. I know what you are saying - you're saying that you mean the human race generally, not specifically kids. That kids are innocent.

Yes - but also, kids are human beings. So kids are proof that wiping out all humanity isn't necessarily the only course of action. That's all.

Now, that might be the only "proof against" that you can think of. Although you've also already named another one - that there are people (adult people) who aren't so awful that they deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth. So, that's two proofs against.

Still - you've probably easily got 20 reasons why wiping out humanity is the only way to go. That's OK.

The point isn't to suddenly change your mind, overnight. The point is to change the original statement slightly, so that it isn't quite so 100% all humans, period.

Now, you're probably thinking - "but I know that's what I meant, so why do I have to do this stupid exercise?"

The answer is, you don't have to do it. But it's possible that you'll find it gives you a tiny bit of relief from the pain of having the distorted thoughts (because they are upsetting to have).

And you do that often enough - eventually, the thoughts themselves do begin to change.

And that's (basically) called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), which is always conceptually useful in managing and treating PTSD, even if you don't literally do CBT exercises in therapy.

In a fundamental way, all therapies rely on the notion that by slowly but purposefully changing the way we use our brains and/or bodies to think/feel, we end up actually changing the ways we think/feel, for real.

maybe thats why im posting in the forum about distored thoughts or beliefs....

yeah, I get that. makes sense to me as well.

 

[Deleted member 47099]

@Psychotic I'm sorry you've found this upsetting. I'd be upset too, if I were you. I'm not going to reply to this thread anymore, cos I don't want to be part of this kind of discussion. I hope you reconsider de-activating your account. I'd enjoy talking about this stuff more with you. I have a trauma diary in the "members" section, so if you want, feel free to drop by and post there. I'd enjoy discussing this and other ptsd stuff with you. :)