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Relationship Advice needed please, my girlfriend has PTSD.

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Dave, she not only has PTSD.

She is grieving.
A baby.
In the family.

Can you see even possibly how a woman who is grieving family... might need family to lift her up... and no one else to be taking care of?

This is not just the disorder.
Grief on itself can break your sanity and rip your life apart.
Grief *and* PTSD are massively bad juju together.
 
No offence intended BTW but would *you* push your partner away if you were having an attack and not speak to them for 2 weeks?, and if so would you at least say to them "look we, are fine I just need space" or just let them be riddled with anxiety because of it?
Yep. Been with hubby 24 years and he's the first person I push away. Second is my bestie. Before I was diagnosed they just had to accept that was how I was - take it or leave it. I know that sounds harsh but we all really thought it was just how I was built. Now I know why I do it - but that just explains - it doesnt change it.

Ok -- so pay close attention to this part.... :) I had NO IDEA how it affected them until I came here and read the supporter section. I actually thought that pushing them away was helpful to them. It never dawned on me that it might seem.... wrong somehow. It's been the supporters on this site who have taught me a tremendous amount about how my actions affect my supporters. Don't get me wrong - I still don't understand it. But I'm at least aware of it

As for "we are fine I need space" thing? Nope - can't do that because I don't know if we are. Because I don't know if I am.

Sorry if it sounds, personal, I'm just trying to get my head around it all.
No apologies necessary. People will answer or not -- it's their choice. :)
With this being your first isolation with her (assuming that's what it is, because that's what it sounds like), this is part of life. Sometimes isolation will happen on your birthday and it doesn't change because it's your birthday. With you birthday being in December and many PTSD sufferers being symptomatic around the holidays, you may never be able to have a super fantastic birthday with her.
Yep.
Still frustrating as hell and still doesn't make sense to me....but I can follow the logic of a sufferer even when I don't agree with it.
LOL - the logic doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either! But it is what it is - when ptsd has the upper hand then my ability to be logical goes right out the window.

PTSD is not fair. I think that's the biggest challenge for both sides. The things I do (or don't do) are because my life sucks at the time. Ya - it's unfair. It affects every aspect of both our lives - mine and hubbys and everyone else around me. And there is no quick fix or "right" answer. Because the answer keeps changing based on the anniversary, the trigger, the therapy of the day, you name it.

And if she starts therapy? It's going to get much, much worse before it gets better.
Because it's not fair.
It's ptsd.
 
Dave, she not only has PTSD.

She is grieving.
A baby.
In the family.

Can you see even possibly how a woman who is grieving family... might need family to lift her up... and no one else to be taking care of?

This is not just the disorder.
Grief on itself can break your sanity and rip your life apart.
Grief *and* PTSD are massively bad juju together.
Yes I can definitely see that, that's why it's hard because I feel that at these times I want to, and should be there for her and I want to be her Rock. Can I just say that the advice all you lovely people are giving me is fantastic, I can't thank you enough. X
 
Yep. Been with hubby 24 years and he's the first person I push away. Second is my bestie. Before I was diagnosed they just had to accept that was how I was - take it or leave it. I know that sounds harsh but we all really thought it was just how I was built. Now I know why I do it - but that just explains - it doesnt change it.

Ok -- so pay close attention to this part.... :) I had NO IDEA how it affected them until I came here and read the supporter section. I actually thought that pushing them away was helpful to them. It never dawned on me that it might seem.... wrong somehow. It's been the supporters on this site who have taught me a tremendous amount about how my actions affect my supporters. Don't get me wrong - I still don't understand it. But I'm at least aware of it

As for "we are fine I need space" thing? Nope - can't do that because I don't know if we are. Because I don't know if I am.


No apologies necessary. People will answer or not -- it's their choice. :)

Yep.

LOL - the logic doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either! But it is what it is - when ptsd has the upper hand then my ability to be logical goes right out the window.

PTSD is not fair. I think that's the biggest challenge for both sides. The things I do (or don't do) are because my life sucks at the time. Ya - it's unfair. It affects every aspect of both our lives - mine and hubbys and everyone else around me. And there is no quick fix or "right" answer. Because the answer keeps changing based on the anniversary, the trigger, the therapy of the day, you name it.

And if she starts therapy? It's going to get much, much worse before it gets better.
Because it's not fair.
It's ptsd.
I can't thank you enough for giving me such good and clear information, personal experience and what now seems like quite obvious good advice. Thank. You so much for your time and care. X
PS, she has been Having Therapy for quite a while. Years I believe.
 
My boyfriend doesn't really do my birthday. We've been together for 5-7 years (those first couple years were spotty because of me learning PTSD....but we've been mostly solid for 5). The first couple he didn't acknowledge. The next one or two he apparently remmebered the wrong date and worked on my birthday (night shift so not around for bday celebrating). He's gotten gifts for me a couple times. The gifts have been on the years of his worst holiday isolations when he feels guilty (my bday is shortly after Christmas around when he starts coming out of isolation and realizes what damage has been done). I don't think he has ever said the words "Happy birthday" to me without me prompting him. For my most recent milestone birthday, I planned everything and told him what we were doing for the day. He hadn't slept much the week leading up to my birthday. On my birthday he fell asleep around 0800 and woke up around 1600....hours after my birthday plans had started. Soooo my birthday festivities started late and got cut short because he was asleep.

I tell you that to say this: this is something I accept about my boyfriend. I have no expectations for him on my birthday. When I had expectations for him on my milestone birthday, I told him what they were. And quite honestly, I had a backup plan in case he it wasn't gonna happen for him that day. The backup plan was for myself, so that I wouldn't have a bad day because of him. I give him reminders about my birthday just like I do with every other event/obligation/whatever that I need/want him to remember. I don't care much about my birthday, so this doesn't bother me too much. If this WAS important to me, than it would have been factored into my decision to continue dating him.

With this being your first isolation with her (assuming that's what it is, because that's what it sounds like), this is part of life. Sometimes isolation will happen on your birthday and it doesn't change because it's your birthday. With you birthday being in December and many PTSD sufferers being symptomatic around the holidays, you may never be able to have a super fantastic birthday with her.


Is it fair to you? Nope. PTSD isn't fair to anybody.

If my boyfriend was isolating during my birthday and managed to say Happy Birthday I'd probably cry. Tears of sadness that that's all I got. Tears of sadness that he has to deal with PTSD. And tears of happiness and appreciation that through all the shit he's going through he managed to think of me and what's important to me and take the time to say something about it.

I'm not saying "you should be happy if you even get that". I'm trying to shed light on a different perspective of a minor thing being bigger than it seems.


This is 100% the hardest thing about the first and subsequent early isolations. Since you haven't yet made it to the other side where you see that everything is the same it's really hard to be confident in what's to come next. I can only encourage you to be patient. Years into this I don't doubt his feelings for me anymore. I see the little seemingly insignificant things he does for me during isolation (yesterday he bought my favorite cookies at the grocery store, I cried when I saw them on the counter). The hardest part now, years later, is dealing with my needs remaining unmet for a period of time. Hang in there!


Honestly, all plans I make with my boyfriend I consider tentative until we are actually doing them. Even getting ready at home for whatever plans isn't a sure thing as something could change last minute. When RSVPing for things I always make him a maybe when possible and at this point I know what he will show up for and what he won't so sometimes I just say no even when he tells me maybe or yes. I have backup plans for anything that is important to me. He doesn't have much family and doesn't do holidays in general, so I just plan stuff with my family and he can show up or not. I will be enjoying myself regardless.


That is up to you. Will you be ok? Is that something that's ok with you? This is something you probably won't be able to address productively until after her isolation. But if it's not Ok with you, then you should bring it up with her. This is also part of your decision about if this is the right relationship for you. If she doesn't see your perspective on this point and expects you to be ok with that...is that something you can accept about her and about this relationship?


Yes. It is frustrating as hell. It hurts. It really does. Once I learned more on this site about the sufferers perspective and now I see the little ways that I am important during isolation (like the cookies) and that helps.


Have you read much on this site yet? The link provided above....the what are they thinking thread....super helpful. Reading a sufferers perspective makes things you see at home make sense. Still frustrating as hell and still doesn't make sense to me....but I can follow the logic of a sufferer even when I don't agree with it.

She can fake happy and fake whatever else with people that don't know her as well as you. They dont inspire terribly deep feelings in her. You know her well. You inspire deep feelings in her. Feelings are dangerous. So, stay away from feelings. Stay away from you. It doesn't make sense to you that feelings are dangerous. But if you consider that her actual perception is that feelings are dangerous then you can follow the logic about why she would stay away from you and not someone that she cares less about.


My boyfriend often doesn't know he's doing it. His brain clicks over to pure survival mode. He can't even keep track of if he's eaten or not. He doesn't know how much time passes. He doesn't see that it's been days since we've spoken words to each other. So no, he has never been able to say to me "we're good. Just need some space right now". I see what's happening long before he does. My boyfriend is also untreated so that puts him further back than sufferers you see posting on this site. It seems that with treatment sufferers start noticing their own tells sooner and then can sometimes communicate them.


Unless she has something more going on than PTSD, it probably isn't. For whatever that may be worth.


Do you know that for a fact she's not ignoring them too or do you assume? If this is the first isolation you've dealt with the you dont know what her usual patterns are. I'm guessing that you also assumed she wouldn't do this to you. But again, you inspire the most feelings in her, so you're more unsafe than they are.



This is why some deep reflection on your part is important right now. Figuring out what you can and cannot handle is key to whatever next steps you take. When she comes out of her isolation then having a discussion about boundaries will be important. Boundaries are about your actions, not her. For example, someone on this site laid down the boundary "if I don't hear from you at least once every 3 days, then I will assume we are no longer together". Its not saying "you must contact me every 3 days" because then what? You're stuck right where you currently are of not knowing what's going on. Its...you aren't contacted for 3 days and now you know you're single and can proceed from there. You have the control.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.... I could hug you for allowing me to see things in the correct light and offering such a personal view.
 
Well guys and girls I have an update. On Thursday I rang her daughter (11yrs old) and asked if she would like to join me to go get her mum a Christmas card etc, she asked her mum and she said it was fine. I picked her up from outside their home and we had a lovely time. Kerry didn't come out to the car to see me on arrival or return but she DID message me later that evening to thank me, I melted as it was just so lovely to get a messagefrom her. I returned the message without further suggestion or pressure. Last night (Friday) kerry messaged me to arrange getting her daughters Christmas presents from me to wrap, my heart initially sank when I started to read but the message also suggested il be seeing her at Christmas. The mood seemed calm so I then took the plunge to ask if she would like to come to my home tonight (Saturday) as this was something we always did, I told her there was no pressure if she didn't feel ready but she replied and said she will come but doesn't want to talk. (I'm fine with that too) ....right now I feel both happy and worried/apprehensive but wish me luck...
 
My boyfriend doesn't really do my birthday. We've been together for 5-7 years (those first couple years were spotty because of me learning PTSD....but we've been mostly solid for 5). The first couple he didn't acknowledge. The next one or two he apparently remmebered the wrong date and worked on my birthday (night shift so not around for bday celebrating). He's gotten gifts for me a couple times. The gifts have been on the years of his worst holiday isolations when he feels guilty (my bday is shortly after Christmas around when he starts coming out of isolation and realizes what damage has been done). I don't think he has ever said the words "Happy birthday" to me without me prompting him. For my most recent milestone birthday, I planned everything and told him what we were doing for the day. He hadn't slept much the week leading up to my birthday. On my birthday he fell asleep around 0800 and woke up around 1600....hours after my birthday plans had started. Soooo my birthday festivities started late and got cut short because he was asleep.

I tell you that to say this: this is something I accept about my boyfriend. I have no expectations for him on my birthday. When I had expectations for him on my milestone birthday, I told him what they were. And quite honestly, I had a backup plan in case he it wasn't gonna happen for him that day. The backup plan was for myself, so that I wouldn't have a bad day because of him. I give him reminders about my birthday just like I do with every other event/obligation/whatever that I need/want him to remember. I don't care much about my birthday, so this doesn't bother me too much. If this WAS important to me, than it would have been factored into my decision to continue dating him.

With this being your first isolation with her (assuming that's what it is, because that's what it sounds like), this is part of life. Sometimes isolation will happen on your birthday and it doesn't change because it's your birthday. With you birthday being in December and many PTSD sufferers being symptomatic around the holidays, you may never be able to have a super fantastic birthday with her.


Is it fair to you? Nope. PTSD isn't fair to anybody.

If my boyfriend was isolating during my birthday and managed to say Happy Birthday I'd probably cry. Tears of sadness that that's all I got. Tears of sadness that he has to deal with PTSD. And tears of happiness and appreciation that through all the shit he's going through he managed to think of me and what's important to me and take the time to say something about it.

I'm not saying "you should be happy if you even get that". I'm trying to shed light on a different perspective of a minor thing being bigger than it seems.


This is 100% the hardest thing about the first and subsequent early isolations. Since you haven't yet made it to the other side where you see that everything is the same it's really hard to be confident in what's to come next. I can only encourage you to be patient. Years into this I don't doubt his feelings for me anymore. I see the little seemingly insignificant things he does for me during isolation (yesterday he bought my favorite cookies at the grocery store, I cried when I saw them on the counter). The hardest part now, years later, is dealing with my needs remaining unmet for a period of time. Hang in there!


Honestly, all plans I make with my boyfriend I consider tentative until we are actually doing them. Even getting ready at home for whatever plans isn't a sure thing as something could change last minute. When RSVPing for things I always make him a maybe when possible and at this point I know what he will show up for and what he won't so sometimes I just say no even when he tells me maybe or yes. I have backup plans for anything that is important to me. He doesn't have much family and doesn't do holidays in general, so I just plan stuff with my family and he can show up or not. I will be enjoying myself regardless.


That is up to you. Will you be ok? Is that something that's ok with you? This is something you probably won't be able to address productively until after her isolation. But if it's not Ok with you, then you should bring it up with her. This is also part of your decision about if this is the right relationship for you. If she doesn't see your perspective on this point and expects you to be ok with that...is that something you can accept about her and about this relationship?


Yes. It is frustrating as hell. It hurts. It really does. Once I learned more on this site about the sufferers perspective and now I see the little ways that I am important during isolation (like the cookies) and that helps.


Have you read much on this site yet? The link provided above....the what are they thinking thread....super helpful. Reading a sufferers perspective makes things you see at home make sense. Still frustrating as hell and still doesn't make sense to me....but I can follow the logic of a sufferer even when I don't agree with it.

She can fake happy and fake whatever else with people that don't know her as well as you. They dont inspire terribly deep feelings in her. You know her well. You inspire deep feelings in her. Feelings are dangerous. So, stay away from feelings. Stay away from you. It doesn't make sense to you that feelings are dangerous. But if you consider that her actual perception is that feelings are dangerous then you can follow the logic about why she would stay away from you and not someone that she cares less about.


My boyfriend often doesn't know he's doing it. His brain clicks over to pure survival mode. He can't even keep track of if he's eaten or not. He doesn't know how much time passes. He doesn't see that it's been days since we've spoken words to each other. So no, he has never been able to say to me "we're good. Just need some space right now". I see what's happening long before he does. My boyfriend is also untreated so that puts him further back than sufferers you see posting on this site. It seems that with treatment sufferers start noticing their own tells sooner and then can sometimes communicate them.


Unless she has something more going on than PTSD, it probably isn't. For whatever that may be worth.


Do you know that for a fact she's not ignoring them too or do you assume? If this is the first isolation you've dealt with the you dont know what her usual patterns are. I'm guessing that you also assumed she wouldn't do this to you. But again, you inspire the most feelings in her, so you're more unsafe than they are.



This is why some deep reflection on your part is important right now. Figuring out what you can and cannot handle is key to whatever next steps you take. When she comes out of her isolation then having a discussion about boundaries will be important. Boundaries are about your actions, not her. For example, someone on this site laid down the boundary "if I don't hear from you at least once every 3 days, then I will assume we are no longer together". Its not saying "you must contact me every 3 days" because then what? You're stuck right where you currently are of not knowing what's going on. Its...you aren't contacted for 3 days and now you know you're single and can proceed from there. You have the control.
Your guidance is so helpful, thank you so much.
 
I suggest therapy. It will help both of you communicate and understand each other better. She needs space and time because she doesn’t know how to process things. It doesn’t matter about her guy friends, they will fall off on their own. Invest time into your relationship with her, everything else will fall into place
 
Ok @Dave ZInger... here’s where the rubber meets the road.

If she says she doesn’t want to talk when she comes over, and you said that was fine.... DONT TALK. It’s imperative that you say what you mean and you mean what you say. She will need that from you. She needs that to feel safe around you and to trust you. It doesn’t matter if she already trusts you, because it’s not the same if she’s symptomatic. She laid out a boundary, and if you can’t respect that it’ll not go well.

Seriously, no relationship talks. No questions. It’ll be harder than you think.
 
Ok @Dave ZInger... here’s where the rubber meets the road.

If she says she doesn’t want to talk when she comes over, and you said that was fine.... DONT TALK. It’s imperative that you say what you mean and you mean what you say. She will need that from you. She needs that to feel safe around you and to trust you. It doesn’t matter if she already trusts you, because it’s not the same if she’s symptomatic. She laid out a boundary, and if you can’t respect that it’ll not go well.

Seriously, no relationship talks. No questions. It’ll be harder than you think.
I'm actually fine with this. I don't even want to talk at present as I feel it's more important for us to try to gel again first. I won't be instigating intimacy either, I'm going to leave it entirely up to her to decide the mood etc. Thank you all again for your advice.
 
I suggest therapy. It will help both of you communicate and understand each other better. She needs space and time because she doesn’t know how to process things. It doesn’t matter about her guy friends, they will fall off on their own. Invest time into your relationship with her, everything else will fall into place
She has been Getting therapy, and for quite some time I think but mainly to deal with the original trauma and subsequent demons attached to her sex work.
 
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