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I am, kind of, retarded

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mumstheword

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I know it's not a PC word, but, I'm not much for being hung up on PCness.
It's just that I always have this sense that I'm not really a "real" grown up. That I'm missing too much about being one. That other grown ups will, straight away, be able to tell, that, while I might look like one, I'm not. I'm an imposter, looks-like-an-adult-(even has children)-but-isn't-really-one. I'm even, actually, middle aged, but, not on the inside. I'm stunted, retarded, developmentally delayed, ridiculously immature and childlike.
 
That is an awful feeling that I relate to so you aren't alone on this. Speaking for myself, of course, my therapist says when trauma happens during your formative/developmental years you can miss some things...kinda frozen in that time in some ways. I have work to do in this area but I think we shouldn't be too hard on ourselves. Some parts are playing catch up (non DID) and we will get there with work.

You approaching this question is a very mature and grown-up thing.
 
If you are what papers say adult with kids then you adult.
If you are not one but have kids you are kid with kids.

Doesn't matter what people say or think.

Matters you take care of kids good.
Being a good, or at least adequate mum is, just about the most important thing, in the world, to me, so I hope I take care of kids good.
My youngest tells me "You're a good mum, mum". So that's reassuring. He's the last one at home.
I think, because part of me is stuck back there, that I have a lot of empathy for children and, being, "still there", what it's like to be a child still feels very real to me and I think that helps me be good to them.
Having said that, my oldest daughter was very hard on me, at the age my youngest is (14) and she used to, impatiently, say to me "grow up, mum" and when I asked her what she was angry about she said "cos you brought me into this f*cked up world".

She is very lovely to me now, though (she is nearly 26).

She was tanked up by her abusive dad though, he liked to watch my children treat me badly and encouraged them to do so.

I ended up leaving, because I wouldn't be here, now, if I had stayed. I left when my oldest was already 20 and took my three youngest with me. They all forgive me, now, and understand why I had to go. Hardest thing I've ever done.

That is an awful feeling that I relate to so you aren't alone on this. Speaking for myself, of course, my therapist says when trauma happens during your formative/developmental years you can miss some things...kinda frozen in that time in some ways. I have work to do in this area but I think we shouldn't be too hard on ourselves. Some parts are playing catch up (non DID) and we will get there with work.

You approaching this question is a very mature and grown-up thing.
This is, definitely, part of the reason. I think being on.the spectrum is also connected.
Also, my trauma continued, being entrapped by an older, abusive man, who got me pregnant, as a teen. I was a homeless 16 yr old.

He tried to keep me very submissive, isolated and gaslit me a lot. Also kept me ill with constant ill treatment and neglect and overwork. So I stayed frozen a child-woman, toiling as my life depended on it, a child-woman raising children, in a very bad situation.
I have been out for 10 years, but still haunted daily, by my childhood abuse and neglect and my ex.

I don't know, still, what "normal" feels like.

My current partner has a traumatic brain injury, a similarly long term-peppered-with-multiple- life-threatening-traumas history, and is also on.the spectrum. We fit together good.

But, the "normies"? Don't know how to act around them. Especially, events at my kid's school, freaks me out. Other parents scare me. I can't relate to them.

I read alot of people here, have similar trouble relating to non-traumatized people, so, I don't feel so freakish, being here.

Part of me likes feeling like a big kid. I, kind of, missed out on childhood, so, feeling like a child now, might be "catch up"?
 
Hmm. I elected not to "catch up" on childhood. I had one. The perceptual bias about "normies"... no one can really look at someone else and know what their history is. It's a fallacy. Even if it's not trauma/abuse... it can be adversity. I just don't presume to look at anyone or interact with anyone and "know" if they're normal or not... or if I am on that day.

In exchange for "retarded" or "socially retarded" I just settled on arrested development. Due to the traumatic childhood and social issues in or outside of family... there are/were things I didn't learn or I didn't learn in an unwarped way.
 
I have "retarded" persons in my family, and I move in those circles. We don't say that word much.

That being said, I understand it's use. I think people are too easily offended by words. We used it as a cruel joke when I was young.

I am retarded in the ways you mentioned, retardation being a failure to flourish. My children, two of them at any rate, are unable to understand the word "retarded" and can't be offended.

I say "special needs" more often these days.
 
The work I did to feel more 'grown-up' was inner child work. What it enabled me to learn was there is nothing wrong with being childlike on many occasions.

Very few of us had carefree childhoods and had to grow up pretty fast. Yet we have places we can move forward from and still remain fun-loving and spontaneous.

I get it about being around people, that yes, is simply our language here to say 'normies', that we don't fit in that 'soccer mom' role.

I just learned to fit inside my own skin and care less and less and less about what others thought or how they perceived me.

I didn't approach this particular situation with the attitude that there was something 'wrong' with me. I just tried to learn that others would not accept me and I didn't choose to put a mask on to make others feel less uncomfortable.

I heard this saying a long time ago, It's never too late for a happy childhood. Be comfortable with who you are Mums. It's what makes us as unique as our fingerprints. Is it something you want to change or is it something you feel social pressure about?

Your personal answer will define what approach you can take if you want to change things. Or not.
 
@mumstheword Don't be too hard on yourself, for one thing, have you any idea how many grown adults really act like the intangible ideal we call "grown up"?
Very, very few.

I have seen a grown ass man in a nice expensive suit throw a literal foot stomping, screaming, whiney tantrum over a line of muddy water down the side of his BMW. Pretty childish huh? This guy was a neurologist. Major commitment and responsibility, turned into 180lbs of screaming manchild, over a toy.
Adult or child?
I'd say both, like most people are.

Worked with a woman who liked to make animal noises, play with toys, wear silly costumes and even worked a side job as a clown. Honest to God, red nose, floppy shoes, the whole nine yards. Pretty childish huh?
When I knew her, she was in a committed relationship, finishing her post-secondary degree, worried about paying her bills on time while deciding whether or not to buy a house in the future.
Adult or child?
Again, I'd say both.

I don't think people grow up in some tangible specific way that you can sit there with a list ticking off boxes of "adulthood". You look at kids who have been through horrible shit, they don't act like kids, but they're not adults. Works the other way round too. I think people grow in their own way, given what they have to deal with in their lives. There's going to be things each of us struggle with that are easy to others.

I think being an adult really boils down to a number on your ID.
Behaving like an adult, I think is buckling down and doing things for your own good, even when you don't want too. Just as being a parent comes down to doing things for your child's benefit when you (and probably they) don't want too.

Now as for being "retarded". Meh, it's a word, it means slow. I don't care about PC bullshit either. Lot's of retarded people out there are living their lives to the best of their abilities, some need extra help, some don't. Doesn't mean they aren't adults, or can't have responsibilities in life. Retarded, disabled, special, differently abled, whatever word you want to use doesn't matter, they're all still human beings, all capable of being adults.
Hell, if you look around your own community, I'll bet you can find people with severe disabilities living their own lives the best they can with what they've been given, struggling with the things they haven't been given. Just like every other adult does.

From what you've written on the forum Mum's, you sound like an adult to me.
Maybe instead of looking at it as you not being able to relate to the people you're supposed to just be the same as, forever blocked because of a retardation. Think about how it would be like if you were suddenly dropped off on some Micronesian island full of people wearing grass skirts and living in huts made of mud and palm leaves.
You wouldn't automatically relate to them either, but that wouldn't be unusual or bad, you would just have to get to know them and their culture. It would take time, practice and effort. Most likely their idea of a proper adult, while similar, is going to be different to Australia. The people being so recognizably alien, would just make it feel less weird, but it's essentially the same thing, is it not?

Being on the spectrum no doubt makes it harder, but I don't think it's impossible. I don't think you do either, or you wouldn't even try right? Again, that's some of that "adulting" right there. Doing something you feel is good for you, even when it's difficult or unpleasant.

I hope I'm not being overly presumptuous, I just want to give you some encouragement.
 
Hmm. I elected not to "catch up" on childhood. I had one. The perceptual bias about "normies"... no one can really look at someone else and know what their history is. It's a fallacy. Even if it's not trauma/abuse... it can be adversity. I just don't presume to look at anyone or interact with anyone and "know" if they're normal or not... or if I am on that day.

In exchange for "retarded" or "socially retarded" I just settled on arrested development. Due to the traumatic childhood and social issues in or outside of family... there are/were things I didn't learn or I didn't learn in an unwarped way.

That is sooooo true. No one can know someone's history. Thinking they are "normal" and I am not, is a ridiculous cognitive distortion. What is "normal" anyway? I have wanted to be it for many years. Maybe I am more normal than I give myself credit for.

I like the sound of "arrested development", it has a cool ring to it.
 
I have "retarded" persons in my family, and I move in those circles. We don't say that word much.

That being said, I understand it's use. I think people are too easily offended by words. We used it as a cruel joke when I was young.

I am retarded in the ways you mentioned, retardation being a failure to flourish. My children, two of them at any rate, are unable to understand the word "retarded" and can't be offended.

I say "special needs" more often these days.

I have a special needs child. He will be 27 this year. He is living in supported accommodation, has great support and a social life, with disability services and has started working, and continuing his education (with help, he is doing his yr 10 equivalency).

He is working at a cafe, in a place, all run by special need people and they are building a petting zoo and a nursery. When the nursery is set up he will be working in that, and studying horticulture.

He tells people he has an intellectual disability and schizophrenia. But with meds and lots of great people helping him and supporting him, he is one of my kid's who is really thriving.

He is reeeeaaallly good with computers and computer games, he learns a lot at Espace, with a bunch of other autistic boy-men.

He is my second born, and I was told he was a "failure to thrive" baby, when he was an infant, and, it's taken a long time, but, I believe, he is truly thriving now.
 
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