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Panic Attacks - Curse Or Bliss

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I'd be interested to know your reasons for expressing no concerns about risk for people with a trauma history and panic attacks arising from PTSD.

Actually I dismissed the whole Kundulini aspect and saw his list as very helpful and having the same fundamental approach in overcoming grief. PTS can be likened to grief on steroids. Your entire body/being is involved.

It's irrelevant if he's a troll,pushing an agenda or a kind hearted soul trying to help. His list has many valid points to consider.




I feel it's dismissive to say "upset" and "your problem" as if my reaction is purely emotional and without any reasons.

I didn't say your reaction was purely emotional and without any reasons...you just did. Why do you feel my comment was directed at you? This could have been an informative thread. You took the time to discuss your concerns in light of where you are in your healing journey. I've done the same. Neither being "wrong".
 
You asked a question, I answered. You don't seem to like my answer and continue to defend someone who was abusing the policies of this site (as I understand them. I am not an admin or hold any authority here). Yes my post in question above was a little "victory dance" so to speak. Was it appropriate? Maybe, maybe not. I don't believe he was a PTSD sufferer, so the question of treating a "sufferer" poorly is mute to me. If you do a search of my posts, and read many of them, you will find I am very sympathetic to sufferers and supporters, and intolerant of trolls and spammers (which I very rarely post about. A while back I decided to report, and let admin sort it out). What makes me an expert at picking out the trolls and/or spammers from the sufferers? Nothing, but his self promotion on this site and at least one related, (I believe the post or thread was found on another website where he was spamming, which is why you can't find it here), and as stated above, many anxiety related websites, of an unrelated quasi-religious website and books on amazon.com, fits most peoples definition of a troll, ok, spammer, my mistake (Anthony posted while I wrote this, it takes me a long while to write out a post usually).

His posts open with an appealing description, but fall apart near the end IMHO. If you can experience "Bliss" during a panic attack, more power to you. Please post how you do it, I'd really, really like to know how you do it, in detail.

For me, a panic attack is just that - PANIC! There is no bliss, or joy, it's terrifying regardless of how much actual control I have or regardless of how strong or mild the attack. If it was blissful, it wouldn't be a - wait for it... wait for it... - panic - attack. For what little control I do have at times, by the time I've recovered from the panic part of the attack, it's no longer an attack, but feeling blissful about any part of it? No, sorry: opposite ends of the spectrum. I can't even feel happy it's over because the fear and anxiety is still too strong. Depending on how severe the attack was it may take me hours to days to fully(?) recover. Not once during or after the attack would I assign a feeling of bliss or happiness to the event. That is the "Disorder" or lack of ability to control my thoughts and/or emotions part of PTSD.


Panic attack... a blessing? I think not. I've gone through phase one, two and three, but
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Hashi said it well, so I won't repeat her post. If you feel I'm wrong or have come to the wrong conclusion of what you posted, please feel free to expand on your post, preferably with references so we know where your coming from.

I asked the person to expand on his post, with references, which he never did. The exchange on my part was polite, but the person failed to back up ANYTHING he posted.

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Post script: Once again I have written, deleted, rewritten most of this post many times over. I hope again I didn't butcher it into nonsense.


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It's irrelevant if he's a troll,pushing an agenda or a kind hearted soul trying to help. His list has many valid points to consider.

This site is for PTSD sufferers and supporters, not Joe Blow off the street pushing any "agenda" (once again, I'm not admin or any official from this site). His "agenda" was expressed elsewhere, and the thread that pointed it out may have been deleted or just not found (I've got better things to do than search for it, especially because it may have been deleted and/or on one of the sister sites on which he also made the same post).

I am done with this conversation.
 
PTS can be likened to grief on steroids.
Not even close... steroids is a physiological response, not psychological, for starters.

His list has many valid points to consider.
Lots of things have valid points, but one cannot discard validity to a specific disorder. There is no validity in this discussion towards healing panic attacks associated to PTSD. There is a difference between suffering panic attacks alone vs. panic attacks due to PTSD. One is anxiety alone, the second is anxiety due to traumatic memory. Everyone with PTSD does not have panic attacks, for example, and those that do often have them with some association to traumatic memory.

Hypnosis has benefits and validity for use, however; it has more dangers when used on someone with PTSD due to the unknown traumatic memories, thus is highly recommended to stay clear off with PTSD, and even noted as dangerous for people with PTSD, yet there are people who push it as safe, secure and a valid alternative treatment for PTSD.
 
Hypnosis has benefits and validity for use, however; it has more dangers when used on someone with PTSD due to the unknown traumatic memories, thus is highly recommended to stay clear off with PTSD, and even noted as dangerous for people with PTSD, yet there are people who push it as safe, secure and a valid alternative treatment for PTSD.

I agree.

Not even close... steroids is a physiological response, not psychological, for starters.

Depends on how you view it. Steroids give a sense of strength and endurance. Grief can have the opposite effect. You go the other way..so to speak.

IMO Everyone travels a different road to recovery and peace. It's all the same destination. The different roads are determined by the different details in individual trauma. The OP presented an excellent guide. ~Guide. As in I don't necessarily believe his method. The portion I quoted being useful to everyone.

IMO Panic attacks are designed to prompt the mind to heal. Don't fight them...roll with them.
 
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I'm still struck that you make no comment on safety. The lack of this consideration is why I think this isn't useful to everyone, particularly not everyone on a PTSD forum.

I don't think people should be guided to take risks. I do think people with PTSD should be guided to keep themselves safe through whatever approaches they're taking to symptoms, whether those approaches are spiritual, psychological, somatic or anything else.

You don't seem to agree that safety is an issue. So I'll leave it there.
 
The list I quoted isn't about safety. You are completely disregarding my point. And it's useless for me to try to explain further. Ha! Hashi if you look for the negative you'll always find the negative You make it sound like you're the only one who can make a decision for people suffering PTS. You're not.

Do you not see the similarities of a spiritual guide and a therapist? Do you actually believe people cannot make decisions for themselves? IMHO anyone reaching out for help is going in the right direction.
 
Do you not see the similarities of a spiritual guide and a therapist?
I find this concept absolutely terrifying. I want a therapist grounded in science. Not a spiritual guide who simply 'believes' and expects me to do the same. In my opinion vastly different.

Also may I respectfully point out that here we are discussing PTSD not PTS - they are different also.
 
OK, I said I was done with this conversation, but I just can't resist...

Depends on how you view it.

True, you can take any information and with enough imagination skew it to fit the point you are trying to make.


IMO Panic attacks are designed to prompt the mind to heal. Don't fight them...roll with them.

I partly agree with you here. As stated in posts above, I don't fight them anymore. I acknowledge that they are going to happen. When I sense one coming on, I don't fight it. I isolate myself if I can and let it happen. I try to remember as many details as I can of what is terrifying me, what might be the trigger(s) or stressor(s) that brought the attack on etc. so I can work on it later.

The part I don't agree with is that "panic attacks are designed to prompt the mind to heal". Panic attacks are IMHO are a reaction when the mind is overwhelmed by past and/or current events that it can not make peace with or deal with. Panic is a fight or flight response from the "reptilian" or lower functions part of the brain. It is a survival response to a perceived threat, real or imaginary (imagination or memories). I believe your statement is a wishful religion based opinion, not fact.

Unfortunately I have an anger management class appointment to go to and don't have time to "discuss" this further at this time. Anger being another emotion strongly influenced by the lower functions part of the brain, similarly to panic. The lower functions part of the brain that controls the fight (anger) or flight (panic) response that has been rewired by PTSD.
 
The part I don't agree with is that "panic attacks are designed to prompt the mind to heal". Panic attacks are IMHO are a reaction when the mind is overwhelmed by past and/or current events that it can not make peace with or deal with.

Yes and as you stated it prompts you to calm yourself and determine what is terrifying you. It's sole purpose.


True, you can take any information and with enough imagination skew it to fit the point you are trying to make.

It means I refused the rabbit hole of despair. That's not skewed.


Unfortunately I have an anger management class appointment to go to and don't have time to "discuss" this further at this time. Anger being another emotion strongly influenced by the lower functions part of the brain, similarly to panic. The lower functions part of the brain that controls the fight (anger) or flight (panic) response that has been rewired by PTSD.


The very best to you. As with anything else in life it all requires balance. Rewire? No. No thank you. It functioned great for me the first time. :) Why rewire what saved me? Understanding an attuned sense of danger can be a plus. :)
 
That's true, I wouldn't have started to come out of my shell in search of help If I wasn't living in absolute terror all the time, afraid when I might get set off next into a crushing feeling of impending death & damnation, totally depleted and exhausted with it all. And after these kind of attacks I'd have a wild swing and suddenly feel elated just because it was actually over & I still hadn't melted into a sizzling puddle of goo. Not sure I'm far enough along though to be thankful for such hell rides or anything like that
 
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