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Ptsd And Setting Boundaries...

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xena21

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I went to see my therapist today and she reiterated something that has come up quite a bit in our sessions over the past few months. She keeps telling me how bad I am at setting boundaries and that it has everything to do with my past. I let people walk all over me. I am afraid to say no to others because I don't want any conflict at all.

The thing is, I used to be more confident in myself and live a more constructive life. Now I live one of weakness and concessions to others. I am in fear of what others may think or do. It's so frustrating especially when you know you have the ability to live a better life. Does anyone relate to this?
 
I can relate to what your problem
In setting boundaries.

Just over a year ago , before I severed ties with my dysfunctional family ; save my sister ( we don't talk about the family because we don't want conflict)

I was so scared of conflict and I let my family walk all over me and felt entitled to question me on my personal life because I would lie to them on purpose to avoid their yelling and condemnation.

Eventually I got to the point where their mistreatment had become so toxic that with the help of my counsellor , I started to challenge and opposed their mistreatment that I had to start putting down boundaries , which really made them extremely mad.

All I can say is that setting boundaries enabled me to no longer fear them and to put myself first .

So putting boundaries in my opinion is worth it. It enables you safety and if their are people can't accept the boundaries you have placed to protect yourself , that is not your problem
 
I can so relate, when I first started therapy, I did not know how to say the word no. It caused all sorts of troubles for me.

I had to learn and to practice saying no and I was always so afraid to stand up for myself. I would say yes and then I would have to call them back and say no. It was very embarrassing and oh so hard.

But after years of practice, I still stumble although I am doing better at setting boundries, and limits and saying no.

Just keep on practicing. We learn through our mistakes. At least I am trying to so I do not have to repeat the lesson all over again.

I remember how terrified I was at first and for such a long time after.

As a child I was never allowed to say no or have privacy or boundries so all of these life skills took me it seemed like forever to learn.

You will get better at it with practice. Being caught off guard does not help me either. I am trying not to freeze when I am caught off guard.

I was raised to be the perfect victim. I do not like conflict either. I am still learning and practicing but it is getting so much better. I wish you success in boundry setting.
 
Yes, I relate, too. If I were to put words to my process, before I was flooded, overwhelmed, and disabled by trauma memories, I had boundaries that were very black and white, that were rather rigid, and they would either come out of me in a flare or a wimper, and I had no real ability to dialogue.

The breaking of my old ego (means by which I interface with the world) structure, from trauma memories, left me lying flat, not able or knowing how to be an advocate for myself, at all. No self-confidence, since all the old tools I knew failed me.

As I dealt with my memories, I simultaneously rebuilt my ego structure--basic positive self-confidence, rebuilt my ability to speak without getting short of breath (old trauma patterns), developed my emotional and feeling skills, so that I knew what I was feeling, and so that i could speak from MY perspective.

With that foundation built, just in the last 3 years have I been able to notice and approach, when I needed to set boundaries. And only in the past few months have I been able to actually set them. There is still a delay from when I notice I have been violated and when I set my boundaries, but I am doing it, respectfully, and non-violently.

I practiced a lot, each of the steps above (feeling the violations (small and large) in daily interactions, rawly expressing my feelings, practicing formulating and non-violently speaking the boundaries I wanted. Gathering a few friends that could support me after I experienced panic, after speaking my boundaries, was really important.

As mentioned above, there is always a risk in stating your "wants", and if you do it in a way that is respectful and invites dialogue, rather than closure, you may minimize your risks, and even deepen your friendships.

So you are in good company. And, like me, i think you will be able to state boundaries. Just practice, starting small, and build supportive friends.

Taking some Linklater Voice Technique ( find it in acting schools, and non-actors can take them) classes helped me a lot (for two years)-it teaches you how to relax everything, so the words can bubble out, freely. A self defense class gave me the right to have physical, and hence, psychological boundaries-Model Mugging. I still take the class once a year.

Instead of your therapist pointing out that you need better boundaries, ask (always risky to ask someone to change their style) if they would help you formulate the skills to have better boundaries by asking you to consider, "How did you feel about aomeone else's actions?", "What boundaries would you like?", "If you could non-violently (istatements) speak to a person about what you needed, what would you say?" If your therapist doesn't want to do this, you can ask yourself the questions.

These books were helpful, 'Focusing Technique', 'Speak Up, Speak Out', 'If You Meet The Buddha On The Road Kill Him, and Non-Violent Communication Technique literature and classes were helpful, and Mindfulness Meditation was useful for self-calming.

Also, sometime the old triggered feelings need to be rawly expressed-in therapy is the safest-if your therapist is comfortable, or in a car, or by hitting pillows.

Hope this helps. :)
 
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It is difficult for sure. It is breaking all the "rules" we were formed with. It feels sacrilegious. It feels not right, but it is so so right.

You are taking care of yourself. It can make you feel very alone, and often there is emotional backlash, which is to be expected. But with practice, you become proficient.
 
Yes is the only word I seem to know ............yes I will do that, yes I can do this, yes of course I don't mind..........
 
I was so scared of conflict and I let my family walk all over me and felt entitled to question me on my personal life because I would lie to them on purpose to avoid their yelling and condemnation.
That's what I do now. I'm glad you have set up some walls for them now so they know not to cross too far. I need to do that too. My family just thinks that they NEED to do certain things to make things work out in my life, despite what I might think. But I don't speak up.


I had to learn and to practice saying no and I was always so afraid to stand up for myself. I would say yes and then I would have to call them back and say no. It was very embarrassing and oh so hard.
I don't know how many times I have done the same thing. I say yes but want to say no. Then I have to call back to really say no. I feel embarrassed later and awful. Later on down the road I always feel worse than if I just could have said no at the beginning.


Yes, I relate, too. If I were to put words to my process, before I was flooded, overwhelmed, and disabled by trauma memories, I had boundaries that were very black and white, that were rather rigid, and they would either come out of me in a flare or a wimper, and I had no real ability to dialogue.
Yes, I understand this as well. I am a very black and white thinker, mostly due to my OCD background, but also in part to my PTSD added to it. It helped that I was a perfectionist and my anxiety was so high when people came into my space so I HAD to set certain boundaries even if I was afraid what they would say or react to. I decided the structure of the military would help me with my perfectionism and desire to be perfect, plus with the PTSD, to learn the art of defending myself as best I could. My trauma made me afraid of others but I was pissed off as well. I had no idea about boundaries but learning how to kill and hurt people gave me confidence to at least be by myself in the world. That might not have been the best course of action...

After all this time had gone by and I was done with the learning curve of the military and work, I was left with feeling individually very strong (physically) but psychologically not any stronger. I still felt like a kid. I didn't want to cause any problems with anyone else. I wanted everyone to be happy around me. I knew I could hurt people if they weren't happy but I didn't want that to be the result. I always tried to make others happy. It was such a stressor. It still is. I am always afraid of conflict, despite the fact that I don't care about myself. It's strange.
 
Xena, I think you are a very wonderful and articulate person and I hope you will be able to learn how to love yourself.

I hated myself for so many years and was always apologizing for the dumbest things, it was a really bad habit.

A wonderful lady told me the benefits of not being so hard on myself and I guess a inner light turned on for me and I began to catch myself when being hard on me.

I still have days when that tries to happen to me, but I have a list of positives about me that I use.

It takes a lot of practice but once the choice is made with practice it does get easier.

You are surely not alone. You are a good and worth fighting for and I hope you will be able to do this for yourself. It will change your life for the better.

As for feeling worse about having to go back and say no and then to top it off to feel worse is something I am all too familiar with. A couple of months ago, I had to do it again. But this time I was so proud of myself for doing it. I made things right for me and I really took good care of myself.

Learning how to love yourself is the important thing. I wish you the very best.
 
Learning how to love yourself is the important thing
I have been told this by my therapist gizmo. I understand it rationally, you know? I do DBT and my rational mind gets it. I just can't feel it. The hate that is so deep inside me won't let any love or anything close to that inside yet. I say "yet", because I have a great therapist who I like a lot. I never had one like this. I believe she can help me at some time in the future, "if" I allow her to.

I know I am not alone in this struggle. PTSD and figuring out how to live and struggle with the symptoms can be so difficult. I used to think I was so abnormal. I hated myself for just being abnormal. I know now that at least I'm not the only person that's struggling. Not that I want anyone else to feel this way. The guilt that I felt for feeling like a freak was so intense though. I don't want anyone to feel like that.
 
xena, I understand, getting information from the head into the heart is a mystery to me. Once it happens everything changes. Still have not figured out how to get the information from my head into my heart.

It will happen for you in time and with practice.

When I was thrown out of the house after I graduated from high school, I was crawling in the dark and did not know a thing, nor did I have any common sense at all. But I sure felt free for the first time in my life.

I hate what happened to you to cause you to be this way for now. I hate it that you suffer. Hugs.
 
Indeed Gizmo learning to love ourselves is so important to ourselves because we need to and i find that very crucial as part of our healing and recovery[DOUBLEPOST=1404867196,1404866970][/DOUBLEPOST]I too have great difficulty on getting knowledge from my head to my heart . When it happens though , it does absolute wonders .

How I too have longed to be able to do on a daily basis
 
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