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Childhood Abusive Kissing?

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I was too young to perceive it as wrong, so could it really have an impact on me today?
Would it be okay for you as an adult to do it, regardless of how the baby reacted to it?
why does my mum act like it's not?
One of the hardest things I think a lot of people who have been abused find is not only coming to terms with their feelings about the abuse and the abusers, but those who minimised and enabled the abuse.
 
That still said, it was traumatizing for you, so it's something to heal from.

But I'm not sure if it was traumatising, I was a baby. Up until a few months ago I thought that my childhood was normal and tbh 'perfect', but since starting therapy I've realised that I was emotionally neglected and abused and physically abused and now my parents apparently left me to be victimised repeatedly. It doesn't make sense. How have I held onto the delusion that my upbringing was 'perfect' all these years?
 
My mum makes excuses for everything my dad ever did that was wrong. Or she'll twist the story to rationalise it. Ask anyone besides your mother for their opinion. If you have a therapist, ask them. Even your father became mad about it. Your parents love you as you said. But they're still friends with this man after that? That's pretty distorted in my opinion. As children we may think being abused is normal. Until we learn otherwise as we grow up.
 
@GWhizz I just doesn't make sense to me. They love me, but they left me to be abused??? They are very close friends with the guy, he's a childhood friend of theirs.
 
My stepdaughter was about 6 years old. We were at my birth father's (M's) 60th birthday party. He had a friend there (was his childhood friend from Germany) who we'll call A (for asshole) who was a complete dick. Anyway, as T (stepdaughter) would run by A, he would lift up her dress and watch and laugh as she ran by. I spoke to T's Dad (my ex). He said 'No big deal, don't make a big thing of it." Once I picked my jaw off the floor, I marched over to my M and told him to get this piece of sheists hands off of T. M said 'It's no big deal. Don't be so dramal'.

Really? Well you might put a little more importance on it when I call him a sick, perverted, dick in front of everyone. It may make for a memorable 60th. M knew I would do it. A adjusted his behaviour and I watched over T like a hawk the rest of the party. Sick f*ing eunuch dick.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that if someone is not all warped out, it is really easy to pick out inappropriate behaviour. It makes normal people shudder. One of your adults (or many), didn't have your back. The idea of anything like this, let alone seeing it, should be like nails on a chalkboard to adults.

Would I EVER leave A to take care of T? Not.a.effing.chance.
 
Yes, an adult doing ANYTHING sexual with a child under the age of 18 is abuse! (Save those loopholes where someone 18 can date someone within so many years of their age in certain jurisdictions and have it be perfectly legal, ie an 18 year old dating a 17 year old.)

Children are brought up to think that whatever environment they are in, that environment is perfectly normal. Many people grow up believing that everyone is hit or yelled at or whatever..... Its not until later on that a realization is made that the childhood was indeed abusive.

Here's some perspective for you. Until I was 28 I thought that my childhood abuse was no big deal. (Molestation.....err, I hate that word as it sounds like I was merely touched inappropriately. It was indeed rape.) I knew what happened to me (no lost memories) and thought that it didn't affect me. People have gone through a lot worse than I have, and they have also believed that the abuse didn't affect them. Delayed onset PTSD is quite normal in the world of PTSD. Many of us go for years or even decades thinking that what happened to us was no big deal and had no effect whatsoever.....until it all comes crashing down and we realize that what happened really did effect us in ways we never even realized.

Your mom is in denial. Many parents are in denial. Some cannot fathom the fact that something horrible would happen to their child. Other parents simply do not care but masquerade around like perfect parents, thus fooling everyone.....but when it comes right down to it, they wouldn't do anything to truly protect their children.

Your mother failed to protect you. I know its hard to accept that, but if she allowed this behavior, she's just as guilty. If it happened without her knowledge, that's a different story and she may be in denial after the fact.

The truth is that as a child, we are forming our sense of safety in the world. You had unwanted touch forced upon you......this sort of thing can indeed cause long term safety issues. I was violated as a 3/4 year old, and I'm pretty sure I'll have issues with feeling safe for life (even though I've come a long way in my healing already). Its one of those things you can't undo, can't fully fix as it was a crucial point in development that I completely missed out on.

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In terms of not being able to remember.....Well, we can store trauma inside of us from any age. That means infants who are abused can have issues later in life. Birth trauma is a very real thing for the child (not just the mother giving birth). And I don't doubt that trauma to a mother can indeed affect a child in the womb.

What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter that you can't remember your trauma.
 
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But I'm not sure if it was traumatising, I was a baby. Up until a few months ago I thought that my childhood was normal and tbh 'perfect', but since starting therapy I've realised that I was emotionally neglected and abused and physically abused and now my parents apparently left me to be victimised repeatedly. It doesn't make sense. How have I held onto the delusion that my upbringing was 'perfect' all these years?
*scratches head and sighs*

This is something I struggle with. I may not be able to write much here since Thursday in session I had a terrible flashback trying to defend what was normal in my life.

The way my therapist explained it, you didn't know anything else. It was just normal because that's the way you experienced the world growing up. Being minimized and dismissed by a parent? That's it's own form of abuse. I thoughtmy life was pretty normal too. To all appearances to anyone on the outside we were normal. My therapist gets angry for me. It's frustrating and puzzling. THe things that happened to me... I've hidden for so long and I feel ...sometimes empty, sometimes ashamed because I deserved the things that happend; becaus (and this is hard to admit) sometimes I wanted them to happen. All of it was my fault.

According to my therapist, they are still all abuse. If it had happened in modern day, my parents would be in jail and I would be in protective services. THAT statement actually fills me with anxiety. Serious debilitating anxiety. As if I am about to be taken away right now.... but that's my story...

Funny, I can see it in others. I can pick it out here and say, Yes, yes, that's abuse. That was wrong and someone should have protected you. But I can't do that in my own life.
 
I went back and read some of your other threads as I thought I remembered you from before....

I think part of the problem is that you are going back and asking the people who abused you and knew of others abusing you if they knew about the abuse. This is just crazy making. Of course they are going to deny it to high heaven. It is the uber rare case of an abuser admitting to what they have done (or have been complicit in).

Worst case scenario, your parents willingly handed you over to an abusive person and knew everything that was going on. Best case scenario, your parents don't understand what abuse is and permit bad behavior (sort of like in Shimmerz case.)

It sounds like they are in denial. You can believe them and stay in your own denial. No, I'm not trying to make you believe that you were abused when you weren't, rather you're presenting a LOT of info about being abused so its a matter of you coming into your own and accepting the truth. You've posted before about all of your symptoms, but seem to be unable to accept that bad things happened to you. Denial can and will prevent your healing.
 
Its abuse. No doubt. God if anyone did anything like that to my child I would call the Police. Not your fault your mother's for being aware and allowing it. What planet was she on?

I can't understand how any mother would allow that unless she was complicit. Does she have some sort of condition such as low IQ or was she abused herself? Because otherwise she was guilty of allowing you to be abused. No excuse. Have you ever seen anyone on TV, in public, French kiss a child? You would just jump back in horror. Because it is wrong and no way would you not know that.

And you are totally innocent in this, you were the child. When I was in year 5 my teacher was coming up to me and grabbing me from behind and putting his hands in areas he shouldn't have done. Pulling me right close to him, pretending he was tickling. It was abuse. He was molesting me in public, I had the feeling it was wrong and I would try and get away and try and run away so he wouldn't get me. But I was too afraid to say and I thought if it was wrong the others who saw would say something. Only years later have I confirmed my gut feeling and I spoke about it to one of the other teachers there. She was talking about how they should have outed him. They knew what he was doing was wrong. They saw it. I had the feeling, but no-one stopped it, so I was a child, I couldn't protect myself. You were a child too and your mother should have stopped this. And yes it is lucky nothing else happened. Whoever this guy is I would not be letting him around children and I would be making sure he is not a danger to kids around him now.
 
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or was she abused herself
This is a big one. Many abused mothers can't pick up on the signals which leads their children to risk. Something that they feel very shameful about. It is a horrible, vicious cycle, which why this site and the knowledge of trauma these days may very well lead to a more informed group of parents in future generations.

I have to admit, there were definitely things that I missed when I raised my children, not because I didn't care, but instead, because I didn't see it in myself. *shudder*
 
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