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General Secondary Ptsd & Codependency

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GrapplingGrief

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There has to be a fine line between being an empathic supporter and a codependent. After learning more about the abuses my former partner went through, I've regressed in some ways. I went from taking healthy steps to deal with the grief of the break up to being shattered by not knowing she had gone through such traumas. This was someone I slept next too for months and I had no idea that her sudden numbness and withdrawal from our lives was caused by all this. I thought she just hated our life and got frustrated and resentful because I was carrying the load.

I've since had interrupted sleep, depression, weight loss, appetite loss, minor panic attacks, stress bumps on my head... I'm on these forums too much. I am constantly worried about her. Is this secondary PTSD?
 
I would imagine that it would take longer than 4 months of living with someone, for this to develop....
Its learning about the details of the trauma. And I don't see how length of time is a factor in contributing to another's empathy. If you love someone, there's going to be a reaction even if we didn't live together.
 
Honestly, I don't know if anyone can give you a straight answer on whether or not it's secondary PTSD. As a supporter, it's important to be aware that PTSD accompanies much, much more than that, I believe. I might be wrong, would need to do research. But really, what I'm picking up on seems to be expected stress reactions to heartbreak or seperation.

As a supporter of a sufferer for 10 years, I can say that this is something I've experienced often, and very similar to what you're feeling, especially in times when my sufferer has withdrawn, dissassociated or teetered on suicidal ideations/tendencies. Interrupted sleep is common with any kind of stress, and after heartbreak, feelings of depression and anxiety are especially prominent. With all of these feelings, especially with the fact that you never realized what she was going through, it's only normal that you'd still think about her and be extremely worried. I know that feeling - bad habit of mine too, even when she asks me for space I still get worried.

Either way, this could be a stirring mild depression, or, quite simply, you're thinking about her, your situation and everything involving PTSD way too quickly and way too much - and your need to give your brain some time to relax. It's understandable that you'd be worried about her - but focusing and worrying on her constantly will only agitate and stress you out more. It certainly hasn't done me any favors when I did it. I'd recommend trying to take care of yourself right now - like it or not, she asked for space and while understanding the situation more may answer questions, it's certainly making you very stressed. Remember to take care of yourself! Contact friends and family if you have any nearby that you can talk to, find ways to build yourself up and be seperate from her. It's one thing to be empathetic, it's another to be self-sacrificing.

Are you forced to be in contact with her for whatever reason, housing or payment related things?
 
I could be wrong on this but I don't think secondary PTSD exists as a diagnosis in the DSM-whatever number we are up to now.

I don't say that to discount what you are experiencing - just pointing out that that particular label is probably not all that helpful because it is not well defined or well recognised.

As the child of a combat vet I can assure you that someone else's PTSD can have profound effects. Growing up with an angry, unpredictable and often drunk father no doubt affects you. And as for co-dependency... well, you don't have to be Freud to figure out why I am now the partner of a combat vet with PTSD who is angry, unpredictable and thankfully very rarely drunk.

I second @Sweetpea76 - a therapist would be helpful.

Hugs if you accept them.
 
I've since had interrupted sleep, depression, weight loss, appetite loss, minor panic attacks, stress bumps on my head... I'm on these forums too much. I am constantly worried about her. Is this secondary PTSD?
Diagnosis by internet is not a great idea, and it's best to check with a mental health care professional. No one here can really accurately determine that. As stated, secondary PTSD or secondary traumatization are not generally recognized diagnoises in the DSM5 anyhow, so there is no set of symptoms for such a label. There is basically no standard definition of what secondary traumatization is, and if it is even a thing or not. So there is even less ability for anyone here to be able to make any kind of suggestions as to what might be happening clinically.

That being said, a few thoughts:

Vicarious traumatization or secondary traumatization (which is a little different than PTSD) are conditions that many people do think can happen - even if there is no standard symptom set for such a condition. It is something some trauma therapists can develop from hearing and watching their clients re-live trauma or tell the stories of the traumatic events they have been through within the emotionally intimate context of therapy. It's different than the specific clinical condition of PTSD that develops when someone has gone through an event where life and death threat is imminent, but it can still lead to some really serious and valid mental health symptoms and even what some would call vicarious or secondary traumatization. Not all therapists are at risk for this, just like not all survivors develop PTSD after trauma. It usually takes a lot of on-going exposure to develop this.

One thing that helps therapists not develop symptomology from doing trauma therapy is to have really good self care skills, have their own support (often their own therapists), and to have really good boundaries - like being able to taking a break from the work as they need. If you think you may be suffering from secondary traumatization or PTSD, begining to do work on those areas may help.

Sometimes, even therapists who never deal with trauma can develop symptoms from the job. (It's not an easy line of work!) Burn out happens in many fields, and sometimes that can come with any or all of the mental health symptoms which you describe. This can also be true of friends supporting people dealing with any kind of major mental health condition. In the role of a non-professional supporter, sometimes the supporter can develop their own symptoms trying to handle it all.

It is also possible that by reading a forum all about trauma is stirring up symptoms. Reading about trauma is really stressful for many people without PTSD. I have had a friend without PTSD and who is not a supporter of anyone with PTSD (except me) who read this site and she was really shocked and upset to read about all the things that people go through here. It's a little like if someone starts reading a lot about terrorism, some people react to it by losing sleep, worrying about the issue excessively, etc. Even for PTSD sufferers, reading this forum can increase already present symptoms.

A breakup, especially that of an enmeshed relationship, is also a possible cause of any or all the kinds of symptoms you are experiencing. Moving alone is one of the top 10 stressors in life. Even without knowing the trauma history of a loved one, and just going through the kind of break up and life changes that you have been though - this is enough to lead to the mental health symptoms you are having.

One does not also have to have secondary traumatization to have all the symptoms you have.

People who tend to fall into co-dependent styles of relating, they often are doing so as a way to escape, avoid, or manage their own pain that was already there prior to the relationship. This breakup may have been the catalyst for your own pre-existing stuff (and we all have stuff) to surface or worsen. It may have been minor before, and now it's worsened to the point of being a symptomatic matter.

Or maybe none of these possibilities fit for you.

What is clear is that you are really suffering. Weight loss, sleep problems, and having symptoms that interfere with day to day life - this all indicates that consulting with a therapist would be a really great idea.
 
I think secondary ptsd is actually primary ptsd caused through the interactions of the person with ptsd (for eg. the spouse experiences domestic violence at the hands of the person with ptsd),

Whatever it may be, I hope you get help, resolution & recovery for yourself. How awful for you. :(
 
I too have always been under the impression that secondary PTSD was due to traumatization from another who has PTSD. (But it's still fully diagnosable PTSD.) That is, getting PTSD from someone who has PTSD and is verbally, physically or sexually abusive because of their own PTSD symptoms. (Not making excuses).

It sounds like you are very much stressed and experiencing stress symptoms of your own. I'd be wary to label it as secondary PTSD though.

I'm extremely concerned that she is sharing her trauma with you to the point that you're having this level of stress. A supporter can best support when they aren't being dragged down by horrific details. I don't believe anyone needs to know the details of a loved ones trauma. It doesn't necessarily make anyone understand any better because in all truth you can't fully understand PTSD unless you actually have it.

I am all for open and honest relationships but I don't believe that 100% openness (nitty-gritty detailed openness) is healthy for anyone.
 
In a family-systems theory, I can see what you are saying; due to the bonds, the stress that one person feels affects people they love ---sometimes as if it has happened to them.

Empathetic bonds and symptoms are such a beautiful human, even tough the experience isn't fun. When we bond with somone, we share their burdens-whether we think we do or not. And, therein, I see your point: co-dependent vs supporter, is a fine line.

Wherever you are on that spectrum, your ability to get help, yourself, for your symptoms, gives you 'self-authority' to determine your outcome, rather than your condition, and outcome being determined by the sufferer. Support is a great thing to have, and I hope you connect to some, so you can decrease your symptoms.

To add to the body of knowledge here is a definition I found, for secondary trauma:

The effect of an individual’s traumatic stress on family members and on persons in direct contact is conceptualized as secondary traumatisation
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Honestly, I don't know if anyone can give you a straight answer on whether or not it's seconda...
Thanks for your thoughtful response. Yes, she trains at the gym as me and I'm still on the lease. I think everyone is right and I'm just burnt out. I'm going to take some time away from thinking about this for a while and take care of some injuries I have. Thank you everyone.
 
Diagnosis by internet is not a great idea, and it's best to check with a mental health care professio...
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I had some counselling through work and it helped. I'm hoping I don't need to do more because I'm no longer covered. I'll take it day by day for now and take a break from thinking about these things. You're right though. Reading the stories of others helped me fill in the gaps when she didn't tell me the details but now that I know more, I'm a little traumatized from learning about what she went through. I don't think I became codependent to mask my pain. I simply saw my partner struggling and helped too much. I didn't know how to step back and let her work through it without enabling. Sometimes you have to let them struggle and be there in other ways.
 
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