News Clinton Vs Trump

[hodge]

And I'm not the only one. Lots of people who are well-versed in 20th-century history feel the same way. I'll find sources if you need them.

 

[joeylittle]

I'll find sources if you need them.

No, I'm good. The comparisons between the state of Germany then and the US right now, and the timing of Hitler's rise to power and how it was dependent on the chaos in the government, the economy, and the war impact...plus the cult of personality - it's eerie. (Thank you, though, for offering :))

 

[hodge]

It's truly frightening. Especially if you've ever read Hitler's Willing Executioners by Daniel Goldhagen. I managed to get through that pre-PTSD. It's a grueling read, but very informative.

 

[RussH]

Personally, I see Clinton as the typical politician who bends the the truth sometimes to make her look favorable

She doesn't bend the truth, she flat out lies, and she lies about matters of national security. She lied about e-mailing classified material, and she lied about Benghazi.

 

[Justmehere]

I have not yet watched the first debate.

Two questions:
Did the debate bring anything substainially new to light?
Did it change any minds?

 

[joeylittle]

Did the debate bring anything substainially new to light?

I think that it became very clear that Trump is campaigning on 'the sky is falling'. He had a lot to say about how America was a disaster, how our trade agreements were a disaster, how people who didn't know how to work with money (politicians) were making decisions about money...

But he only directly answered three questions, I think. He changed the subject frequently. When asked how he was going to get the businesses who have left America to come back (since this is one of his major stump points), his answer was something like 'we never should have let them go in the first place'. Holt asked him I think 2 more times to answer the question, and he just....didn't.

He kept trying to cling to some things that clearly he'd planned as his sound bites, but they tended to demonstrate a really conspicuous lack of knowledge about our history in the middle east.

Hillary was funny. I think that might have been the major revelation. She debated really well - delivered her message, found the right moments to poke holes in Trump, didn't over-do it. Only got sucked into a food fight with him once, maybe twice. But she had some very funny moments, and I don't think that's what people expect to see in her. Basically, she was a whole lot more likable than she's been painted to be. And Trump was less charismatic than he's been in the past. He was struggling.

Substantial? I don't know if Trump's trickle down economics proposal has been quite as fully articulated as it was tonight. His whole message kind of added up to, 'give more control over the nation's wealth to the people who know how to use it (the rich), and that will fix our debt and bring back jobs.' But he was playing defense most of the night. Got nailed on not releasing his financials. He also pretty much said that his solution to the trade agreements was to tax the f*ck out of every nation that wants to import. That's really not a smart move.

Hillary got a little tired towards the end. She was fumbling a little over what her approach would be to deal with ISIS, and she wasn't very good on the cyber-security question. Neither of them really stepped up to the plate on race - they both played it pretty conservative there, except for Trump denying that search and frisk had been ruled unconstitutional.

I think minds should have been changed. Trump had very few actual plans that he could articulate. He's put time in on the economic plan, so he could talk about it, but had no comeback for the fact that a number of independent analysts have been critical of it. He had nothing to say about what the actual plan should be, re: ISIS. He just looked like he didn't know what he was doing.

The people who are strongly anti-Hillary will likely not change their minds, based on anything. But fence-sitters should have been impressed with her.

That's my sloppy overview. Curious what others think.

 

[hodge]

I wonder if Trump has some kind of attention-deficit disorder in addition to narcissism or whatever makes him the way he is. Some commentators noted his evident lack of impulse control (another huge reason why he should never be let near the nuclear codes).

Yes, he could not answer a lot of questions directly, and he kept pouting, making other faces, and interrupting. I think Hillary, on the other hand, was calm, cool and collected. She patiently listened to his answers without making any weird faces, no matter how outrageous his words were, and then spoke her piece when it was her turn.

I missed the segment on ISIS and cyber-security, so can't offer any thoughts on those.

 

[scout86]

I thought some of the 'law and order' part was interesting. Trump advocating 'stop and frisk'. Moderator informing him that was unconstitutional, Trump giving an answer that kind of started with 'No it's not" and then went on to talk about a judge who was 'anti-police' (although it was worded WAY more strangely than that.).

I didn't really want to watch because I hate food fights (unless I'm participating) and I REALLY hate 'reality TV'. It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be. I hope it begins to dawn on people that the deal with Trump really is 'what you see is what you get.'.

 

[hodge]

This should be a good documentary . . . explores Clinton's and Trump's backgrounds and past experience. It's on tonight at 8 p.m. CT on our Twin Cities station. If you go to this link, you can click Schedule at the top and it'll tell you what time it'll be on on your local PBS station.

The Choice 2016

 

[watundah]

Now he's whining about his mic.

The Miss Universe has a story in the NY Times today about how she was 18 and has suffered with shame for 20 years from his ridicule and bullying. Interesting how quickly that story queued up!!!

I'm glad that Hillary is getting a lot of positive press but so much of the coverage is Trump bashing. Will it impact millennial and undecideds? Also curious how bringing up Bill's infidelity will do anything besides point out yet again how far removed Rump is from reality.

I hope Hill gets a.great poll bounce from last night.

 

[hodge]

He often finds plenty of stuff to whine about. If he had PTSD he'd know what could really cause whining, and yet most of us don't do it, not much, anyway:meh:

 

[watundah]

I only whine about Trump.
Trigger in a fright wig