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Compulsive Lying

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How about you tell your friends (honesty here), that you have noticed a tendency to lie as a coping mechanism and with t...

I actually do a few hobbies. I paint, draw, take photos, go out hiking with my dog(when I can), horseback ride(when I can), and train dogs as my job. I absolutely love all of those things. Piano playing and dog training is probably the two things I am of most passionate about. I have worked outside for almost 14 hours just training dogs and it invigorated me each time I got to work with them. Even with a tight schedule, I am always excited to meet a new dog and work through the struggles and/or teach it something new. I know people can see this and i can feel it.. If you mention dogs, I will light up. I absolutely enjoy the subject.. I'm sure you can tell by the way I'm typing now.

I do other simple things as well such as brewing tea and coffee. It gives me other things to obsess over. I garden, build my own raised beds, boxes, etc. The problem is that sometimes when I get too confident, or in some situations.. slightest confidence, I run the risk of changing to that sort of mindset.

I have not told her my extent of lying but she knows I enjoy joking with a lot of people. I usually let her in on it as a way of starting to be honest with her, and in that, she learns what I'm like or how I act when I am lying/joking. Again, with her I do try to not lie so much.. she's the only one that I actually feel bad for when I lie to her. At first, it wasn't so much because she was a friend. In the beginning, she was still a stranger. A lot of people fall for it, but the fact that she'll say, "Okay. I'm trusting you," for some reason made me feel bad.. even when I've made other people believe in my words. I'm thinking it may be because my mother, who abused me a lot, would always say, "I can never trust you. No one will ever listen or trust your words so you might as well shut up." My friend's words sounded genuine.. she put so much trust and honesty, she's a very open person and reliable, and I saw that pretty early on. In fact, she's a very motherly like person and I guess that's what affected me. She told me that because I never had a mother, yet crave it, that is the reason I gravitated toward her and her family -- and I agree with her. What do you think?
 
Personally I am guessing your past and the people around you and how they acted is probably relevant.

Yes I agree. My parents always manipulated and lied to me and whenever I lied or told the truth, my parents would assume I was just lying. They also told a few parents that I was a liar and I shouldn't be friends with their kids. (to select few. They also liked to keep their image positive.)

It almost sounds to me as if you decided that caring was unhelpful/weak/ ?

Sort of. I also see it as unnecessary. It's a lonely world, but still survivable. There is great vulnerability when you open up to people. I know I don't have to tell them about my past and mental health, but sometimes I just don't see the point in wasting my energy on creating a connection with them. It was noted that I did this when I was younger as well, but I'd keep relationship superficial. If things got too deep, I'd end it or make them mad at me. It was easier.

It sounds like you got into a pattern of gameplaying where you test people and set them up to see how they react. Like a perpetual experiment. Poke this one that way and see what happens. How do you feel in relation to their reactions? If they act in a worse case way what do you feel? And if they act in a better than you expect way how do you feel? What gives you the most satisfaction? What do you expect? Also, could some of this be an indirect expression of rage? Sometimes past harm to us creates wells of rage and it can come our indirectly in our relationships with others (or for some with themselves) at times. Is there a need to see an impact and if you do see one what is your reaction to it?

Worst case would probably be they call me out on my lie. I've come across that situation a lot when I was younger -- when I was still learning how to lie and protect myself. Through that I learned to create plans on how to manage the situation, also to get better at controlling myself. To not get too carried away or give too little less information unless appropriate. An example would be, pretending to get heated about politics and agree with whoever to make them think I'm on their side. (I honestly couldn't care less about politics and usually I stay out of debates unless it's one on one and I'm trying to make a feign connection.) Or I give too little when I want to pretend it's a sensitive topic. Some people who care, won't prod, those who are jerks.. will. And I react based on situation. In relation to them.. I don't really remember since it's been a while. I think I get a big angry, but I've learned to suppress strong emotions and stay calm.

Best case scenario, they accept it and move on. Once they've moved on, I don't push it bring it up again since that's too much information and can make it seem like I'm putting myself on a pedestal -- not what I want. Also more room for errors.

When they act better than I feel, I guess it gives a bit of a confidence boost. "Wow. They seriously believed that? That's hilarious. Okay, I've had my fun. Maybe I'll go back to them later."

Most satisfaction, it depends. I've made people believe I had a sick mind and they get uncomfortable or even a bit scared. I'll say things like, with a flat or emotionless face, "Wait.. I don't understand, why can't you do human experiments? Technically doctors are still doing that on patients when testing out a new drug or learning how to do a new procedure. Only difference is they present the experiment formerly and with dignity. They also avoid using "scary" words but really.. is it that bad? Who cares if the patient isn't enjoying it? They signed up for it.. and besides. We need to lower the population." Or sometimes when I come across someone, I'll look at them with curiosity and a bit of smirk saying, "Man.. I'd love to see you in restraints and see how you do when forced to make a decision on dire situations.. Tell me, would you rather kill a young child you don't know or your grandmother?" It's not always that extreme, but that is a bit of my morbidity. Other talk like dead bodies, killing pregnant women, kids, elderly, people in general really.. etc.

Most of the time I do not feel angry or fear, but I will definitely do something if I get annoyed with someone or they mess with someone I care about(my friend) though my friend already knows and will keep me calm saying she'll handle it and that she's okay.

If there is no reaction.. it's just dull all the way through. It's like poking a body with a sharp thin bamboo branch. If they don't react, person is probably dead. If they flinch or scream, that create curiosity or interest. So I keep poking until I get bored of the screaming person.

Do you think there could be a tendency to avoid feeling connection as that brings with it more sense of vulnerably or investment. Nothing authentically invested sometimes means nothing potentially lost. What is the feeling behind the behaviours if you can find it.

yes I do think so. I was also taught at a young age to not express strong emotions unless it was called for.. but at the same time not make a fool of myself. I was punished for crying when my mom scolded or hit me. I was punished if I fought back, spoke back, etc. and if I was too happy about something, she would punish me. I couldn't express anger through body language, I couldn't express affection naturally since it was not there for her. Very young, I did try hugging her for comfort and she pushed me off. I learned how to manage it on my own.. obviously not well, but I'm alive so it's whatever.

What character traits do you think you have associated with strength? Which ones do you think you have associated with weakness?

I guess letting emotions blind you from realistic thinking. Emotional attachments keeps you from taking a life when necessary, saving your own life, poor judgement, etc. But I also think it's a weakness if the person is close minded, quick to anger, uses force and fear to control people rather than sitting down and talking to figure things out. Best to meet in the middle rather than benefit only one over the other.
 
Yes I agree. My parents always manipulated and lied to me and whenever I lied or told the truth, my parents would assum...

Can you clarify taking a life when necessary comment? Is this a actual thought process of yours or a off the cuff comment? Do you feel there are some violent tendencies that you fight daily?
 
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Another thought, is this thread a way for you to lie about things, kinda of like baiting us, l would kill a child, etc. ? Because you find this entertaining? Because it's also juvenile. To find humor this way tells me you haven't evolved in your lifetime to find humor in a more appro manner? To feed people a pile of crap, then to sit back and wait is a tab infantile. Is there so much hostility inside of you or such a feeling of superiority that you will spend the rest of your life doing this instead of a caring fun friend or fun things (hint hint). That's the message l get from you, and what l read from the other posters is why? Why do you bother, wouldn't this become very boring after years and years of doing it. Like how many more people do you need to lie too, to feel better then them with your high intelligence? Do you understand the point of what is the point? When you could be doing fun things, unless being the smartest and proving it until you have feet in your grave is all that you ever want to be.
 
Can you clarify taking a life when necessary comment? Is this a actual thought process of yours or a off the cuff commen...

It was just something I typed without giving much thought. I wouldn't say violent tendencies, but I do get a lot of violent and morbid thoughts that I have to deal with everyday. Whatever I joke about or say, it is a real thing being played out in my head.
 
So when do these thoughts roll in, is there a particular time, a trigger, something you do daily that triggers these thoughts? Do you have any physical symptoms along with these thoughts or sensory sensitivity? These thoughts are directed towards you and others or just you? Let's break this down so we can slowly work to the core thought process, if you are willing to go further. Not here for judgments, just here to see if you can move forward at all and find relief.
 
And have the thoughts ever scared you that you may act out if all the parameters are correct? Do you have to isolate yourself upon this thought invasion? When this happens, what is the main underlying thought, anger, sadness, anxiety,fear, numbness, nonchalant, joy, morbid curiosity?
 
I'm actually in a very similar situation as you. I'm in DBT which is supposedly going to help, it may be beneficial to you. You could ask your therapist if you have borderline personality disorder, which is what I got diagnosed with when I served help. It's treatable with a lot of different coping mechanisms taught at DBT. Who knows, it could help, maybe not. Sorry a lot of people are ganging up on you
 
I have a problem with lying too. I think it goes with the PTSD territory. None the less, I too am working on trying to stop lying. I know being honest is the way to go and the best way to live. None the less, lying comes way too easy sometimes, trouble is, now I am getting older and my memory isn't good enough to remember who I told what, so I really need to be honest, or I will be sure to be found out eventually. Best of luck with trying to be honest to all of you who have a problem with this!
 
Maybe your friend is aware of the lies and just accepts you anyways. Maybe they have selective hearing. It's a habit, you consciously have to make it a habit to stop it. So it requires effort. Don't stop the lies for fear of being caught, stop the lies as your challenge to better yourself and in turn invite more honesty with yourself into your life.
 
Personally I can't see any possibility of borderline personality fitting. What you describe is a lack of emotion in relation to many things. Probably at least partly because you were trained into responding like that, possibly because you happened upon that way of coping and possibly even because of biology. Borderline personality disorder is rather linked to extreme intense emotional states and lack of emotion regulation. Not what you describe. Its a "hot" reaction not a "cool" one.

I suspect someone is again projecting their own experience rather than hearing what you are describing, But I'm no expert;

You sound like you have made progress since this relationship with your friend. What you said about your mother and your friends mothering qualities makes sense to me. Sometimes we live down or up to what those who are influential think of us. Do you think you are likely to continue making progress in this way? With the help of your friend.

What would it feel like to experiment and try a day with no manipulation or lying? Do you think you could and if so what would be your concerns?

The truth is that your parents view of reality and people was severely pathological and therefore their view of you. And how they treated you wasn't the norm and was pathological too. Sadly things become self fulfilling prophesies if we aren't careful. That can happen in positive ways too though which is the helpful other side of the coin. Its not a given but a possibility.
 
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