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Conflicting Feelings About Relationships.

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Yer, they do... because that is the best way to get a woman in bed, by taking her out and having fun with her, getting her excited and into you... that is exactly how you do it until a booty pattern has otherwise taken effect. Even then... many booty calls are just that, being a night out, sex, then no contact until the next date / booty call.

This was a quote I forgot to add to my post to you earlier anthony.

What I wanted to say was that we had already spent about 36 hours together in total...and had drinks, pizza, weed and canoodling...I think we'd already had our date! :D Why would he invite me out on a formal date after that?
 
I don't think you sound bitter at all...! Actually, you are pretty clear on what your needs are right now, and the trick is to find someone who can fulfill that. Many years ago, like 10 years ago I was in that same place. I met a guy who I swear just landed in my lap at the right time. It was all the fun stuff of having a boyfriend without the relationship. He took me out on dates..everything from dinners and movies to nights in, met his friends and family, I could talk to him, we had many nights of just curling up and cuddling together...but we had no romantic relationship at all.

That lasted for about a year and a half, and it was so perfect...much of it because, we both had clear boundaries, neither of us decided to "change the game" with love and feelings...so we were able to have a fantastic time together without any of the drama. And we made a pact, that if he or I met someone we did want to pursue a relationship with, that we would be upfront and let each other know and out of respect for the potential relationship, stop spending that kind of time together. And that we did...

To this day, we are still really good friends...I would say one of my best friends even. Though he doesn't know I have PTSD, he has never given me issue when I drop off the face of the earth...but without fail, at least every 2 or 3 months he will drop a note just to say he's thinking of me and ask me out for a beach day with him and his girlfriend. She is ridiculously cool as well.

So coming from what you are saying, and the experience I had with this guy...I'm feeling like that is the sort of arrangement you are looking for, a relationship without the emotional ties, a booty call with respect for you as a person...a nice lil in-between. To be fair, I don't think that is the easiest thing to find...but I know for a fact that does exist.

Not with this guy that you've been talking about though LOL I can say right off the bat, from what you describe, he's far too selfish and not nearly respectful enough to be able to be the man for the job.
 
I am not sure I completely agree with this, but then I am an emotional person.
The implication was in relation to my response being purely about men making a booty call... which wasn't factual, because phillips cited specifics about dates with the guy, the guy doing certain things, thus my inference was purely about this specific case. If Phillipa was there for just a booty call, I'm sure she would have said such. Women do like sex as much as men... I was specific to this case, not "men" in general or "women" in general.[DOUBLEPOST=1404167035,1404166839][/DOUBLEPOST]
Thanks. Why though do you think his age comes into it?
That was specific to his maturity being demonstrated, which is piss poor for his age.
 
I don't think you sound bitter at all...! Actually, you are pretty clear on what your needs are right now, and the trick is to find someone who can fulfill that.

Thanks. I'm taking the positives from this situation. He helped me get even clearer about what I do want and need.

Many years ago, like 10 years ago I was in that same place. I met a guy who I swear just landed in my lap at the right time. It was all the fun stuff of having a boyfriend without the relationship. He took me out on dates..everything from dinners and movies to nights in, met his friends and family, I could talk to him, we had many nights of just curling up and cuddling together...but we had no romantic relationship at all.

I had a friend like this a couple of years ago, but he turned all weird...like, really really weird and bordering on sadistic. He'd say random things to me like "I want to tie you up and punch you in the face...I like abusing women." Then when I'd bring it up weeks later he'd have no memory recollection of saying it. :/

Initially though this was what we had and it suited me fine. I'd come over, he'd make us some food, we'd watch a movie, cuddle up and maybe have sex, or maybe not. It was great...until he turned all weird. He was a real meathead though.

That lasted for about a year and a half, and it was so perfect...much of it because, we both had clear boundaries, neither of us decided to "change the game" with love and feelings...so we were able to have a fantastic time together without any of the drama. And we made a pact, that if he or I met someone we did want to pursue a relationship with, that we would be upfront and let each other know and out of respect for the potential relationship, stop spending that kind of time together. And that we did...

That sounds great. I'd definitely want to do this and have clear boundaries sounds really good. I was speaking to a friend about this just yesterday actually. We don't really have that arrangement at the moment, but it's something I wouldn't mind with him. He is very wary of becoming too attached though and the oxytocin bond that forms when people have sex. He isn't ready for intimacy and has issues with it.

We've gotten together a couple of times in the last 6 months, but it's not a regular arrangement. He's very respectful though. Just yesterday he would not accept my invitation to snuggle as he admitted he was very frisky and just wanted his own selfish self gratification, and he knew I was not needing that and just needed hugs, so he didn't come over. At least he was honest and made it known though. He respects me enough to tell me and went home to have a cold shower instead. How many guys do that?

To this day, we are still really good friends...I would say one of my best friends even. Though he doesn't know I have PTSD, he has never given me issue when I drop off the face of the earth...but without fail, at least every 2 or 3 months he will drop a note just to say he's thinking of me and ask me out for a beach day with him and his girlfriend. She is ridiculously cool as well.

Sounds lovely! I'd love someone to drop me a note to say they are thinking of me.

So coming from what you are saying, and the experience I had with this guy...I'm feeling like that is the sort of arrangement you are looking for, a relationship without the emotional ties, a booty call with respect for you as a person...a nice lil in-between. To be fair, I don't think that is the easiest thing to find...but I know for a fact that does exist.

At the moment, yes, this is what I am wanting, whilst still working on myself to be able to get to a place where I feel healed enough and have released enough baggage that I will not be going into the next relationship with tonnes of work still to do on myself. It's the reason I dropped out of relationships alltogether in the first place...to work on myself and heal.

Not with this guy that you've been talking about though LOL I can say right off the bat, from what you describe, he's far too selfish and not nearly respectful enough to be able to be the man for the job.

Noooooooo...he's proven himself to be most unworthy.
 
Maybe I'm just being biased here, or it's my warped perception lol! But it really does sound to me like you are not conflicted at all, really just wanting...needing to find someone who fits into what you need in your life right now. And really, whether its just casual sex, a committed relationship, or anything in-between, the wrong person can make that all so frustrating!!!

That is really good though that you can recognize that you are not ready for a full on relationship and need to work on yourself first....but then also not dismissing the idea of companionship altogether. I have my moments where I go between wanting to be in a relationship, and wanting nothing to do with any man ever again...I used to tell my friends to make up a list of names to help me out with naming my eventual 100 cats that I will end up with hah!

Really really odd about that one guy though, that would freak me out if some guy told me he wanted to do that to me. I guess if someone is into that sort of thing, even as a role play, they would be all over it. I'd be fearing for my life though..ehhh!!! There are really good guys out there though. The trick really is finding the right one.

Keep in mind, I just started seeing someone and I'm feeling all hopeful and happy...everything I'm saying would probably be completely different if I was writing this say...a month ago LoL! I'm in a bit of a happy place at the moment, to say the least, so yeah, this thread caught me at a good time when I can be positive and supportive about this whole thing :)
 
I, as a guy, cannot even imagine role playing, or wanting to even play at abusing a woman. It really breaks my heart when I hear of the abuse that women suffer at the hands of men, and then actually role playing it is beyond my comprehension.

I cannot, and will not treat my wife, or any female for that matter, in any way that would be construed as violent or abusive.

Philippa, you deserve so much better than that. When you start looking for a guy to be a friend, or companion, please don't settle for any guy that will treat you with anything less than respect. You are a person, a wonderful, living human being, and deserve and should expect to be treated as such. Please don't settle for less.
 
I, as a guy, cannot even imagine role playing, or wanting to even play at abusing a woman. It really breaks my heart when I hear of the abuse that women suffer at the hands of men, and then actually role playing it is beyond my comprehension.

I don't understand it either RussH. I guess some people are wired very differently though? The strange thing is he didn't even remember saying it, and he wasn't on drugs or medication when he did? At least that is what he told me, and how he acted at the time. He sounded genuinely freaked and apologized profusely when I told him. It sounded very sincere. Maybe he was just a good actor...or schizophrenic?

Philippa, you deserve so much better than that. When you start looking for a guy to be a friend, or companion, please don't settle for any guy that will treat you with anything less than respect. You are a person, a wonderful, living human being, and deserve and should expect to be treated as such. Please don't settle for less.

Thanks RussH. I don't usually stick around for disrespect. Ask my father. ;)
 
Maybe I'm just being biased here, or it's my warped perception lol! But it really does sound to me like you are not conflicted at all, really just wanting...needing to find someone who fits into what you need in your life right now. And really, whether its just casual sex, a committed relationship, or anything in-between, the wrong person can make that all so frustrating!!!

I think the conflict was on one hand wanting a relationship, and on the other, not wanting one...and in between, seeking basic human needs that can often end up with attachments that aren't necessarily healthy or right for the person. I agree the wrong person can make things frustrating though. I am clearer about what I want in a relationship partner.

I think this guy would have been fun to just be casual with, but the behaviour he presented turned me right off. Even for a casual hook up there needs to be a certain level of respect, and it just wasn't there with him...health issues or not.

I have my moments where I go between wanting to be in a relationship, and wanting nothing to do with any man ever again...I used to tell my friends to make up a list of names to help me out with naming my eventual 100 cats that I will end up with hah!

:D Yes, I'm already on my second cat.

I know that vacillation well...going from wanting a relationship to never wanting to see a man ever again. Know that one well.

Really really odd about that one guy though, that would freak me out if some guy told me he wanted to do that to me.

It did freak me out!!

It freaked HIM out as well. He had no memory of even saying it and couldn't work out why I stopped coming around to see him! He sounded so sincere when he apologized, and scared that he might have said something like that?? Weird. I'll never know what that was about, but then, it's possible he was sneaking an ice addiction without me knowing about it. Ice makes people say some f*cked up things. I think that's what my brother was on when he proposed that I act in a home made porn film with his f*ck buddy...while HE filmed!!! He also didn't recall saying it when I brought it up and couldn't work out why I didn't want to see him.

I guess if someone is into that sort of thing, even as a role play, they would be all over it. I'd be fearing for my life though..ehhh!!! There are really good guys out there though. The trick really is finding the right one.

He had, during sex one time asked me if he could beat me up! I'd never been in an S&M relationship before, and I wasn't about to enter into it with this guy. He was no Dom...just f*cked up!

I know there are good guys out there, it can just get very frustrating when they either are taken, not interested in me, or I meet them, we like each other and then 2 days later they move to the other side of the world for work and fall in love with someone else...which has been my experience. I am very selective, so it can take a long time to find anyone I'm even remotely attracted to...and bad timing seems to be the theme for me. But I'll keep hanging in there for the one that is right...and wants to stay with me.

Keep in mind, I just started seeing someone and I'm feeling all hopeful and happy...everything I'm saying would probably be completely different if I was writing this say...a month ago LoL! I'm in a bit of a happy place at the moment, to say the least, so yeah, this thread caught me at a good time when I can be positive and supportive about this whole thing :)

Congratulation. :)
 
I'm feeling much better about the whole situation. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who chimed in and helped me to not think about this person, and get more centred in my self to get clearer on what I do want.
 
I'm feeling much better about the whole situation. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who chimed in and helped me to not think about this person, and get more centred in my self to get clearer on what I do want.
That's brilliant! (And I've found your honest and open struggle with the issues has been helpful for me too...;-)
 
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