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Eliminating Exposure To Ptsd For Others' Sake?

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Oh Dear Whitney, I am sorry I have been so unclear, he didn't say anything mean or invalidating! You reminded me of that. He usually says nothing at all. My sister has been the one to say such stuff, and I don't tell anyone about the ptsd/ SI. I tried to listen to what Abstract said, that is to keep an open mind and to be aware or responsible for what is my 'fault', such as (do I?) want to disappear. But without him saying anything wrong, crossing paths he was avoidant, angry, uncomfortable. I guess that 'fits' as to why one wouldn't want to answer. I regretted not disappearing, but it's easy for me to do and obviously the best choice. It is good for me to learn and be aware of what I think is negative because of my own intepretations or ptsd, but it's equally valid or true to recognize the truth that I see with anyone's feedback anywhere.

I was always afraid what 'damage' ptsd-related behaviours could cause others. Though that is not selfish, perhaps hoping or wanting not to be 'hated' for them is. :( Perhaps that is also part of it.

((((((((Dear Sweet Whitney))))))))) :hug:
 
.. I am looking for common ground between for rebuilding trust.

Healing the wounds that have separated two caring people.

Thank you for that Whitney, there is something very positive in trying to strive for that. :hug: I really do appreciate it. :hug:

I know what Abstract means, that they say with someone drinking "(you) love someone who you can't trust". There was freedom in learning that too, and it explains why one day it's one thing, the next day something else expressed (the opposite) from her, etc.
 
You have a kind heart Whitney.

s not, as it may sound, an act of imprudent thinking or denial or wishful thinking, more a (semi-doomed) choice to try to just 'live' despite it, since waiting for there to be an opportunity for it to change won't be likely coming any time soon.
Junebug,
What the mind says and what the heart does are two different things aren't they? I very much understand still being hurt despite realising ahead that a situation is what it is. Especially when it means so much. You are dying for something and someone to love that is safe and I understand that. It is normal and healthy.

As always you sound much more self aware than your sister. I don't mean that harshly and it is just an observation.

he didn't say anything mean or invalidating! You reminded me of that. He usually says nothing at all.
But am sure it will feel good for him to cut out the dead weight.
Just going to point this out to you if that is OK. ? :shy:
I can truly understand how annihilating it can be to not get enough response when one is so used to judging oneself internally and when one isn't used to speaking to others or trusting them. I understand because I have experienced that a lot. Speaking and not receiving what I need feels way worse than not speaking and comes with shame and self hatred. But even though your sister says things like this to you repeatedly does it really sound like your friend and something he would think? Has he ever expressed anything like that about others and if it is then do you truly think that your actions have warranted such unkindness? I would say that if he thought such a thing then it is a judgement on him and not on you.

But without him saying anything wrong, crossing paths he was avoidant, angry, uncomfortable.
Could he have been avoidant and uncomfortable but not angry? It doesn't have to be a black or white thing. He obviously did not respond in a way that was useful to you but that doesnt mean that he thinks you are "a dead weight". He might not be the right person to speak to about these things so it is something to consider. For example when I have had therapy some therapists have been wrong for me and others right. It doesn't mean they were awful horrible people or wished me harm and didn't care and rather just means it wasnt a good fit for me when discussing such sensitive stuff.

I am glad you understand what I meant about your sister. I am speaking from my own experiences and of course you are different, your sister a different person to mine, and you have your own path to follow in life. I love my sister and that isn't going to change but I have come to terms with certain things about her and I plan my interactions accordingly. Things may change in the future of course and she has changed some already from having therapy as have I. She has wonderful properties but if I don;t watch very carefully she is abusive to me as she is in other relationships.

Its actually better for us both. I don't believe her abuse of me makes her happier either so having strong boundaries and taking responsibility for protecting myself helps us both. I am responsible for safe guarding me and I am learning that it is OK to do so.

we were very close until 2006.
Did she say such things to you as a child? Was she physical with you as a child in the way she has been with you as an adult Did she care for you and safe guard you as a child? Its not a trick question and rather a genuine one. Was it a mutually supportive relationship with each of you being there for the other when in need? What changed?

The other thing that I used to do was look at our similarities and then overlook our differences and assume everything was the same. My sister and I are very similar in certain ways. We understand each other. In other and significant ways we are as different as is possible. Her motivations are different to mine as are her ways of interacting with others. She also doesnt sit in constant self hatred or self blame as I tend to do.

Oh and by the way, I found your anger and unguarded expressions of sadness and frustration very refreshing and I saw them as positive for you if you dont mind me saying! ;-) I don't imagine you often express yourself without thinking how reasonable it is or if it kind. I think we all need to be able to be messily upset sometimes. For some they have the other problem but for some of us being less controlled sometimes can be good if done in the right situation.
 
Abstract basically posted my lost message! Past programming keeps one believing that we are to follow the old education. Until we learn of other means we have nothing to compare to. "Yes PTSD is this way"

Junebug, I feel the word fault places the blame on yourself. Is there a more positive word you could replace here. You are learning new thought processes which in time are allowing you to find new strength.

"Fault" is due to the minds only known past process. You so deserve to know and feel you are learning new possibilities. It takes time to change the minds reactions into action of what you choose.

I hope I am making sense. ? Fault the PTSD, rather than yourself; might be a better explanation. :) Hug, Whitney
 
Thank you Whitney and Abstract :hug: :inlove: :hug: .

I know, I mean I agree Abstract, yes that is all correct, I know my friend has done many kind and thoughtful things, like re: for me/ my aunt/ sister; I don't blame another person as 'horrible' irregardless of what they think of me personally; I see 'anger', 'discomfort', 'avoidance' as all seperate things though, as oposed to black or white. I don't think 'seeing them' is ptsd-related. I guess as Whitney said I think 'fault' applies if I should not have asked, +/or I mean 'fault' more as is this the past or ptsd making me feel this way or see things this way, and that is not reflective of the present? I don't know.

I have a lot of people dying or who have died at work, reminds me that things like this don't matter, as far as if something serious happened well it wouldn't be a concern. I even wonder why the pup experience could 'cause' (loosely termed) all this. Yet I also heard a story just yesterday about a man harrassed or overwhelmed by 'whiners' and people with problems, and he said it was a great burden. I don't know. I'm thoroughly confused. :(

Yes Abstract our relationship was like that and then went 180. But you are right, though I 'knew' I didn't ever think of the differences. I stood up to her disapproval/displeasure or 'pressure' sunday without trying to make a big deal out of it but I did do it. Because it was not fair in that even in small ways I must, or should be able to live my own life. I haven't heard or seen from her since and she is on holidays, she didn't really say good-bye. Due back at work tomorrow is all I know.

My mom did say anger is the beginning of courage, she used to get mad I didn't get angry at my other sister, I used to when yonger. But in the big picture I can usually see another's justification, at least potentially in their mind. And anger makes you forget anything good. But no, or I guess 'yes', I guess I do unconsciously think too (assume) my friend thinks as she does or expresses. Or maybe 'most people' do or would. But then again I am not sure that matters as I don't know what to choose 'for myself', except to say I also don't choose for others and don't want to be around or around them if I cause discord.

I seem to be at a place emotionally or interiorally where I don't know what to think. I am not sure of anything. I feel at dangerously loose ends. :(

Big hugs and thanks back xoxox.
 
Coul I ask, what do you think is one thing I should do, or am supposed to do, or would you think of doing, or does anyone have anything come to mind, feeling like this? (Crisis line I would not use.) I can't really remember, or I can't clear my thoughts to know. I don't know 'what' or where to begin.

Thank you, hugs, xox.
 
I think times of change or when our usual ways of doing things are challenged are always difficult and confusing Junebug.

I don't blame another person as 'horrible' irregardless of what they think of me personally;
This is the fundamental problem. It isnt that you were thinking he was wrong and it is that your assumption was that the reason he felt or did what he did was your lack of value as human being and your lack of rights to respect and support. To be quite frank I don't care about the nuances of how he felt:p about you asking for support. I just care about how you felt about asking for support and processing your feelings. :inlove:


I should not have asked
Why?! Why shouldn't you ask. The only legitimate answer to that is that he is not the right person to hear you.

things like this don't matter
They matter a whole lot. Feelings and experiences do not just exist relative to others. They have legitimacy of their own. There are good reasons for your feelings about the puppies. Thats what you need to look at. Other people have other experiences to process and that is OK. That is their journey.

overwhelmed by 'whiners' and people with problems, and he said it was a great burden
That is one man and one situation. You are someone different and you dont need to share with just anyone. You dont have to artificially sanitise yourself and your life in some endeavour to control the way others feel and what they feel.

I stood up to her disapproval/displeasure
good for you. :tup:

I can usually see another's justification,
I actually think this can be a huge problem. it was for me. yes it is a skill in some respects but it has a place. It has to be a balance of seeing your own needs and perspectives and feelings and balancing those with others. too much of one or too much of the other and trouble ensues. Living your life attempting to protect and stop others from feeling things and ignoring your own feelings and needs is a short cut to misery and despair.

anger makes you forget anything good
Anger can focus you on your boundaries if you use it correctly. You can see why you feel you need protection and act accordingly.

I cause discord
Unless you are aggressively acting out by being verbally, physically or sexually abusive then one cannot CAUSE discord. People have a right and will react to things in the way they choose. That is not your responsibility. You neither have the right nor the ability to change how others feel about things. Your role is about you.
 
Thank you Abstract I think I see what you mean, that it's ok to acknowledge other's feelings and needs but alongside one's own.

To be honest I haven't ever thought of my feelings as having importance independent of their impact on other's feelings.

No I don't do those 'discord-causers'.

(((((Dear Abstract)))))
 
Try to think of emotions too

Dear Abstract for the life of me trying I can't find words to explain or describe it. I will keep trying. Except to say, where do I go from here, do I just shake it off? Do I 'fake it til I make it'? Do I just view it as ptsd and all these other happenings/ memories bringing up old junk, and therefore I should disregard it? Is that healthy? I feel like that person new gamma rays said in the other post. But is that because of myself or because of my circumstances? Is it letting the ptsd 'make too much' of everything, or is it right to get away from all of it?

I don't know if it signifies 'change', or I am simply throwing away everything I can.

I can't name the emotions. Other than confusion, despir, numbness, no desire to try. No care for my well-being, lack of any feelings of trust, fight or flight like new gamma rays said. That it doesn't matter.

By 'one thing' I mean, is this the time one is supposed to 'x' (ie. 'something')- make a list or exercise, or something?

I feel like I'm alone in a boat with no oars just floating off. And yet I'm not sure it matters.

I hope that makes sense, (likely not I realize :rolleyes: ).

Thank you dear Abstract :hug: 's.
 
Of course, I am near-pathologically gentle, so I guess I feel better and it would be expected I feel better with stuff that is the same.
 
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