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I Am Hating Men More And More

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Well actually She Cat, the reason he said that was because I had just had a break down after my mum had relapsed, nearly attempted suicide and gave me a suicide note she'd written while she was drunk. I was still trying to cope with living all alone and with no money, deal with stress, and I was studying over full time. Then I flipped and had a break down. It had NOTHING to do with my issues with men, he had no idea at all about anything. And I know that for a fact.

I do NOT need to lower my standards AT ALL. What is wrong with wanting a bit of respect, that's all. Not for a man to crawl on his hands and knees around me, not for him to do everything I say, not for him to give up everything in his life to be with me, just some RESPECT.
And I am not talking just talking about guys I liked, I'm talking about guys that like me. When I say 'I'm flattered that you had the courage to tell me how you feel, but I'd rather just be friends', I just want it to be left at that, not get drunken phonecalls at 5am.

I cannot help feel the way I feel because I have never seen otherwise, not because I need 'someone to live up to my standards'. I have tried to open up before, I have tried more than once to give them a chance.

Look just forget it, I knew I shouldn't have shared any of this. It's just me overreacting as usual, being a drama queen. I've been told it enough already maybe that's the thing I need to learn. Maybe all the men who told me I was selfish and a manipulator were right. Maybe I should 'lower my standards' and go out with one of these guys. Hey maybe I'll call up the guy who offered me money for sex, he did tell me I was pretty of course, so maybe he was genuine. Maybe I'll call the guy who had a girlfriend and a baby and was trying to hook up in front of me in front of my brother, he seemed like he was interested.

I won't share anything else, I'd hate to offend anyone.
 
OFD,

It's important to keep connected. People have different takes on things and what might be apt for one isn't that wat for another.

You're struggling so much, and I think the fact that you can write about it at ALL is HUGE! You just sound like you're going through a genuine struggle, wish to get better and maybe will at least feel safe ranting here.

Please don't go away? Advice is touchy because we're SO hurt, it's easy to be just as hurt by something which sounds disapproving. I think you're looking for solutions, moving forward, getting your feelings out of your head and at least onto 'paper', and at the moment are working through something HUGE. You'll get there. :)

I'd have been crushed as heck by being asked if maybe I looked kooky. :) Seriously- one of the ways my abuser got away with his dangerous behaviour for so long is because he was a trauma surgeon, The 'powers that be' believed him when he told them I was just crazy when I reported the abuse. I'll write about the whole scenario when I post my story.

Don't stop, ok? Everyone is different and I'm not offended! Just impressed by your struggle to get BETTER. :)

Take care and hugs. I'll check in later and see how you are. My internet connection keeps fading in and out but will try!!

Anni
 
I will say one more thing. If it were as simple as saying 'lower your standards', do you think I'd have this problem in the first place? Do you think I haven't been told that before? In fact I have, and that's why I never share any of this. Because all people say is that, and that I am stone hearted. Well I'm sorry for that, but all I've wanted was for someone to listen, to not give me advice, just to let me get it all off my chest so that I can begin to move on, so that I can vent it all and then look back and say 'this is how I feel, now I need to analyse it'. I have spent years wanting to vent it with no judgment, without someone saying to me I'm being petty and to get over it, without someone telling me 'oh they aren't all like that you know'. I have held it all inside, and I have just hoped I could get it out. It's not quite as easy as just 'getting over it'. Otherwise I would never have came looking for help. I haven't even shared the beginning of what has happened to me or what I've seen, and I will say it's not all quite so easy to lower my standards and get over.

And I do not go for men that are 'immature', I cannot stand immaturity. I like guys who have maturity, a bit of empathy towards others, that are funny, who are just good friends with good morals. It's not my fault when sometimes those men turn out to be putting on an act, and that there is a completely different side to them I knew nothing about, that all those caring things they said were just to put on a mask to hide who they really are. Not always, but yes, it has happened. And when it does it hurts, and it makes me feel stupid for falling for a game, it makes me feel gullible like my mother with and my auntie and my cousin, who all ended up in relationships where they were abused and beaten and raped.
 
Hi OFD. I have to agree with the last two posts. Of course all of us are looking through a window of your life, so none of us can know for sure what you need. But after reading your older posts I realized that too me, You do not sound angry, you sound afraid. Actually it can be a very common occurrence for PTSD to mislabel an emotion. Personally I see this as a positive. If you are shifting from anger to fear, it may mean that you are about to grow in an unexpected way.
I think it would be wise to quit spinning your wheels about this issue and try to re-read the helpful suggestions that people have posted for you. Perhaps at the time you originally read them you were clouded in emotion and were not able to get the true wisdom behind peoples helpful suggestions to move forward. PLEASE do not take this as me being patronizing. I have had experiences like this myself and have learned that this is all a process. Wishing you well,:Hug_emoticon:
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As I am writing from my mobile phone I can't write much however feel compelled to write this...... Being angry at men or hating them provides you with an excuse not to focus on your own issues! I agree with others that you are afraid so you are hanging on to all the reasons you have decided justify your situation.

I have been abused by men on multiple occasions, cheated on & raped. I don't hate men but admittedly I did for awhile until I worked on my own issues. I am now blissfully married. Look inwards at what you can change to make your life better instead of blaming the whole male race for what a few idiots did. And as for teenage males - their brains don't fully develop into their 20's.
 
None of this true at all. The only reason I have shared any of this is to VENT, as I said right from the start I did not want people to tell me to get over it or anything else. No I am not being stubborn or blind or anything. I just needed to VENT. I have never been able to share this with anyone because people get frustrated. I know what I need, I know when it will be time to start looking at everything. And I know that all I need at this present point is to get all of it off my chest, just to get it all out, and then when I have done that and am able to, to look at it and say 'okay, I've recognised the problem, I've expressed all the hurt and now it's time to fix it'. That is for me to decide when I am ready. I will know when I'm ready. I am in NO way making excuses not to focus on the issue. I am just not yet at that point in dealing with things where I can 'get over it'.

Some people here don't seem to understand that the way I'm feeling is because of triggers, and to be told I'm making excuses and being told in the past by people I know that I'm terrible for feeling the way I'm feeling makes me feel like a horrible person. I am not very good at expressing how I feel on this subject because I've never been able to, when I say I HATE men I am talking about when I am TRIGGERED and start to feel that way. I get along better with men as friends than I do with women actually, I have no problem with that. But then when I see certain things or when I experience a certain situation, all that feeling of being abused, memories of watching my mother, and others in my family, get abused come flooding back. All that feeling of revulsion and terror and helplessness and that need to escape, comes over me, and I panic. I am making no excuses about any of that, I am very well aware of what is happening, and I'm aware of why. Because all I have seen is bad things, at no point in my life have I had any positive male influence. NEVER. How can I see something in a positive light when I have only seen the negative?

My father, my grandfather, my mothers boyfriends, all of them at some point and in some way or another were abusive to me, and then others in my family were abused by others as well and I saw all that. Why did all that happen? Quite frankly it's because my grandfather was a drunk and abusive when my mother and aunties were children, he used to beat my mum while she'd be lying on the floor. So as a result of all that they've all ended up in terrible relationships, both my aunties are divorced, one of my uncles has done some terrible things. Then there is my mother, she has never even been married, just been in abusive relationships or gone out with drunks and drug abusers. Then there is my father, other than the way he treats me he has also apparently beat others, and he hit my brother. Then there is my fathers brother who doesn't even know I exsist because he might try to kill me to get back at my dad. My dad has a scar on his head from when his brother hit him over the head with a pipe, and he once chased my father through the house with a chainsaw. If my dads ex decides to get back at us she could easily tell my uncle about me and where I live, she already told someone else where I lived and where I worked and he was showing up to my house and work.

So seeing a lifetime of this, on top of the other things, has had a great affect on me. It was terrifying when I was little, and when a guy tries to become more than friends with me that is a trigger for me, any intimacy, telling me how they feel, trying to hold my hand, getting drunk and having a crack, all of that is a major trigger for me. I will feel totally fine and then something happens and I get flooded with that evil nostalgia and I panic. I feel like I did all those years ago, I feel pathetic, and I feel a revulsion of myself. And a LOT of that revulsion I feel is of MYSELF. I feel dirty as though I am back to being a 12 year old with some disgusting 40 year old following me down the street telling me I'm beautiful. That is how I FEEL. I feel DISGUSTING. I feel SMALL. I feel PATHETIC. I feel like I'm worth nothing more than an object. Something for someone to take things out on, to abuse and to take no compassion of.
And whenever I see other people in bad relationships, or see stuff on tv, or hear a song with some guy singing about women being hoes and about sex, that is all triggers for me too, I see somone on tv whos had an affair and I get that trigger and I sometimes burst into tears. I CANNOT help that. I CANNOT just get over it straight away. I will one day, yes. But as anyone here should know, any sort of trauma is something you cannot just move on from just by being told to move on. Any trigger is not something you can just stop feeling because someone tells you not to feel that way.
It is a process, and you need to recognise the problem, get it all out, and then work out how it is caused, how you feel and how to get over it. I have recognised the problem. I am TRYING to get it all out. I cannot yet get over it. I cannot get over all this when I still have resentments and hurt built up inside. And there is a lot of stuff, and it's not just men that's the problem. It's all of the neglet I recieved growing up, the drugs and alcohol, people not opening their eyes to get me out of the situation, caring about others but leaving me in a home where I have no bed to sleep on, no food to eat, and I'm continually hiding in my room while some guy stands at the door screaming at me with his demonic anger telling me what a terrible person I am. Losing my home and and everything I had and being judged by people for it. Being judged by my family, as though I was worth the amount of stuff I owned, which was absolutely f*** all. Being treated as though because I didn't have a place to sleep I didn't deserve a miniscule amount of help. Fearing for my life, watching my mother slowly kill herself, just expecting to open the door and find her laying there. Listening to her telling me how she was going to die soon because she was too screwed to recover, listening to her drunken self plan her funeral and tell me everything she wants for it, telling me how she is going to commit suicide by overdosing of medication. And I have expected that for so long that even now if it it happened I wouldn't panic. Watching my cousins falling into abusive relationships, doing drugs, in fact one of my cousins at 15 was selling drugs to my mother, seeing them go to jail before they were legally adults. Moving out of home at 17 because I knew either my mother was going to die or I was, living on $80 a fortnight, sleeping on wooden boards because I had no bed, my neighbour not wanting me there because I was too young and should be living with my parents, my mother not even letting me step through the front door of her house and barely speaking to me, and then being told by my grandfather to stop calling their house all the time, when all I needed was SOMEONE TO TALK TO. When all I needed was someone to listen because I was all alone.
I am sorry but none of that is easy to just get over.

Everything I have inside of me has built up and it makes every different situation feel like an even greater problem. So many things trigger me, the smell and sound of alcohol, drunk people, drugs, the feeling of not being wanted, anger, so many things. And that resentment of other things can really make my resentments of men stronger, because there is just so much stuuf inside. And because quite frankly, a lot of things that happened were caused because of a man.
I have a lot to get over and move on from, I know that for a fact and at no point downplayed that. I have at no point been in denial of anything at all, I have just been affraid to share it because people have never understood. People have always wanted their little bit of advice and input, when all I wanted was a little bit of support and understanding. NOT because I am stubborn or in denial, but because nobody can give advice from someone who isn't ready to take it. And no, I am not ready to take it, that does not mean for a second that I am affraid to accept reality, it is just because I cannot even BEGIN to learn to get over things when I feel like I'm about to explode with the things I need to get of my chest. I have only just begun to make an attempt to move on, not because I'm affraid to accept anything, but because I am affraid of OTHERS not accepting anything. The ONLY thing I want and need right now is for someone to listen, for someone to just let me say it, let me get it all out, and for them to support that, as hard as it is to hear, as much as someone wants to jump in with their advice, as much as someone wants me to get over it. And I will never deny that it is hard for others who don't feel the way I feel to listen to.

But it is for me to know when I am ready to take that next step, and now is definetly not the time. And I guess, this is definetly not the place. I don't know where else to turn. I have just wanted someone to LISTEN. I can share a lot of things with my mother, but I just can't share any of this with her. I just don't feel right doing it. I can't share any of it with my friends or family because they all make a judgemnet on me, try and set me up, or use it against me. I have nowhere to go. I have nobody who will just listen and give a little support. Not 'get over it, not 'you're making excuses' not 'you're so stone hearted'. Just 'it's okay, you will get over it, and I will listen to you even if it is difficult'. It's all I need right now, and it's all I've needed for a long time.
Does that make me stubborn? No. It just means that I have barely begun to deal with a lifetime of issues, not just one or 2 things that happened, but a lifetime. I have said before that I am at the venting and resentment stage of my recovery. All I need is to do that. I know I will get over it one day, I know I will get to the point where I will look for advice to move on, and I also know that now is NOT that time.

As I said at the VERY beginning of this thread, I am sorry if this offends anyone, and if you can't handle listening to what I need to vent, then don't read any more. I made that pretty clear I thought, because I am well aware that what I need to express isn't a nice thing to listen to, not only that but it's not nice to have to say and feel.
I do not HATE men as such, I get along very well with men as friends. As I said I am no good at expressing things in a way that people can understand. If I cannot explain how I feel properly then people can't fully understand the problem, therefore cannot judge or give advice on the situation. That is no judgement on anyone else, but I am trying very hard through all this to explain what I am feeling.
That HATE that I feel only comes when I am triggered to feel that way. When there is no trigger, there is no problem. But when there is a trigger, the entire situation to me is completely different. I have been trying to express what I think and feel when I am triggered, and when I do that all the resentments of the past build up and has to get expressed too.

Now I am sorry for making people mad, and I am sorry for not making myself as clear with things as I've hoped. I'm not going to be doing any more venting on this subject, I never should have started in the first place. I am not in denial of anything, I know exactly what I need right now, and I guess this wasn't the place to do it and I appologise. I didn't know where else to go. All I wanted was someone to talk to, and for them to listen. I have been embarrassed right from the start about sharing any of this, I have always been treated like I'm a bad person for wanted to express a lot of hurt. I just can't come here and do that anymore.

I am sorry if people don't understand any of all that, as I said I am no good at expressing, because when I do I get worked up. Of course I have cried writing all this, because I feel pathetic for feeling so much pain, and for having the selfishness of needing someone to just listen, in fact not even to listen, not even to care, just to let me say it. Let me get it all out. The need to move on is very painful and it is not easy to share, that is why when someone jumps in with their advice I can't take it. Because the emotion that I am feeling is hard enough to handle in itself. I feel as though I am going insane with all this inside. All I want from someone is a bit of tolerace and understanding that all the harsh things I say don't neccesarily reflect on how I actually feel. It is just how I used to feel. Then when I experience something that reminds me of how I used to feel, it makes me think that I still feel that way. It makes me feel as though it is all still happening, as though it's still real. But at the same time, it's not real at all. I know that. I just wish other people knew that. I wish someone could understand that if they don't feel the way I feel then they can't know how I feel. If someone knows how I feel but has had the ability to move on, to understand that yes, that will happen to me too, but just not yet.

I have only just started getting my life on track, for the first time EVER in my life I have a bit of stability, it's not all perfect, but nothing is AS bad as it's been in the past. Now it is my time to get over the past. And I cannot get over 22 years in one night. Wether anybody likes that or not.
 
Ok. I am going to risk having my head bitten off.

Firstly, if you bring something to the forum, especially in the Chat areas you have to expect that some people will comment. Secondly, if you only want to vent you can choose that prefix when you create your title as not everyone goes back to the very first post and reads pages of conversation. Sometimes a thread title with catch someone's eye and they may skim the conversation to get an idea and may respond to recent comments.

Finally, no one here is saying they are offended but I get the impression that you are unhappy you are not getting the responses you were looking for hence justifying your point of view. No one is disrepecting your stand but are actually offering objective opinions based on their lives which you may either take on board or disregard.

Some of what you have written in the post above this suggests to me you are stuck and perhaps it would bd worthwhile for you to read what others have said with an open mind. Many here have been brutally abused by men their entire lives and are here to try & get better. You are no worse off than some members I know. They are not complaining about men and are instead trying to process what has happened to them in order to heal & make their lives better. You are the one who chooses whether you just keep venting or decide to do something to help yourself. You now control your life and not those men.
 
Um, I did choose that prefix when I started this thread. Take a look and see for yourself. I never said I didn't want comments. I said I didn't need to be told to get over it. You cannot say others who have been abused are no worse off, I would in NO way compare my situation to anyone elses, wether it was worse of not. People have different ways of coping, people have different ways of healing. And not everyone can process the situation at the same point in their lives as others. I am trying to process, and for me to say everything that I feel has always been the best way for me to do that. I am trying to get better. But nobody can tell me HOW to get better. Nobody can tell me (well not just me but ANYONE who is dealing with something) WHEN to get over it.
Yes I AM the one who decides to do something to help myself. And that is what I am doing. I never made the decision or the claim that I was going to vent forever. I have barely even begun to heal. I have only just within the last few months began to even come to terms, and only in the last few weeks begun to try and look for help and to share things. I have never gone looking for someone to feel sorry for me or to say 'poor her, how terrible'. I am sorry if I ever gave that impression but it is not the case. What is pity going to get me? Nothing at all. What is a guilt trip going to get me? Nothing at all.

Thanks to everyone who has been supportive and allowed me to get things off my chest. I don't think this is the place I need to be.
 
Hi Ofd,

I couldn't get to the forum (issues with SO) but just wanted to let you know that I do support you and do understand why you need to do this.

A lot has been said but I would direct you to the post by ONEBRAVEGIRL because I think she hit the nail on the head when she observed how you appear to have moved from a vent about hating all men (1st page) to actually expressing your fear of intimacy (last pages) - fear of intimacy is not hatred.

You were a little girl and saw things that no little girl should evern have seen. You are also still very young so be proud of yourself that you did not repeat the cycle of abuse by 'jumping' into unhealthy and abusive relationships. Your radar is acute and that will help you keep away from creeps and jerks (no bad thing) and when you are ready, when you have analysed and maybe reassessed how you think and feel about situations, then you will move forward with whatever decision you choose to make.

I completely agree with you that only you can decide when that time will be. Please don't leave the forum because I really believe it has helped you to get this stuff out into the open.

Lots of people here really support, understand and care about what happens to you.

Big Hugs


xx
 
Please Re-thinK?

OFD,

I still don't think you should go away. As PTSD sufferers, yes, choice has been taken away from us in the past so of course it's your choice.

Would you possibly just please consider a few things before you log off? It is SO hard to see clearly through the hurt and anger, I know. You also are gifted with insight in that you DO know why you feel a certain way, and what you feel is just not going to help. Maybe there's a possibility that you're just so hurt and angry that your PTSD is disallowing you to take the chance that something might help.

I have to say that, when I see what various moderators have to say when they weigh in during threads, it's stripped-to-the-bone information about what they know of PTSD presented the way they must know from an awful lot of experience (educationally and personally ) is a good way to hand this sort of information to 'us'. I'm as reactive as anyone and and am certainly not saying I'm in a better position than you are to be clear-sighted but I think, from what I've read, that my rage stage is more behind me than yours is. It's very real and present to you now, I know. Before you terminate here, it would just be such a nice thing for you if you could possibly take a break, detatch from your anger and digest some of what's been offered.

The format, and thread headings are just so people coming here can have as easy a time as possible finding what they're looking for. It comes down to grammer and spelling, also, which I have come to understand is just to help make the forum as clear as possible for those in pain who might not have the energy to navigate a site which appears at all convoluted. I've had some warnings and of course being PTSD thought it was the end of the WORLD. Then I take a breath, take off my PTSD anything-but-rose-colored glasses and realize all anyone wishes for me to do is please write clearly. :)

You just are so angry, and hence the venting. Both of course are understandable. Many, many of us have been brutalized by men. Some of us continue to be victimized in one way or another. What people bring to the forum, I think, is a genuine wish to help and comfort another. Some of the solutions might not be workable for you. I think the common theme, though, is people truly wishing you to be able to see something beyond the helplessness of the pure anger you're presently crushed by.

It's all well intentioned, and an awful lot is helpful. I can't add anything to any advice in the way of 'help', but just hope there's some way you could see beyond your anger and know there's a future somewhere beyond it. Accepting that perhaps there is a way through, and allowing some folks who have some keys to give them to you must be a better thought than having to endure life the way you feel now.

Please take care,

Anni
 
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