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Needing Some Help Adjusting Behaviour

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Meadowsweet

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Recently a person amongst a group of people and one person had a go at me verbally. What should have made everything ok, was that people that saw understood that this person was in the wrong and tried to reassure me that it would be ok.

I became overwhelmed by the situation, but instead of accepting the reassuring comments, my reaction is to disagree, argue and dismiss all of them - I tell people that they can't possibly know that it's ok, that it's not ok and so there's no point telling me that it is, and I go on and on and on until people trying to reassure me start to give up or get irritated that I constantly reject their reassurance.

It's like inside it feels like everything is very chaotic and noisy, and I want them to shut up and leave me alone, but maybe it's the chaos in my head that I want to shut up. But another part of me wants everything to be ok, but I can't believe the people trying to tell me that it is ok - it's like the aggression is still going on and for me it won't be ok until the aggressor themselves says it's going to be

I'm trying to understand why I behave like that and what it is that I actually want when I'm doing that - and then how to change it.
 
Can't really speculate why you behave like that but it sounds like you're emotionally flooding? I know I was. The first stop gap measure was to learn "restraint of tongue and pen" (learned it in 12 step) which I'm pretty good but not 100% at. Maybe like 85% now. The going on and on and on thing for me was compulsively obsessing and I had to take measures to kick that in the ass too. That one I got my start in 12 step as well... I had a God box and was tasked for a time to write it down and put it in the box and practice "letting it go". In the beginning it drove me crazy not being able to put it back and I wanted to pry the box open (it was completely sealed with a slot only) and take it back. The learning/practicing of restraint though came first.
 
I can totally relate. And I hope what i'm attempting to write that is in my head will translate. I know what makes ME do this, so I'll tell you that, and maybe you can pick and choose with what identifies.

I have complex PTSD from childhood abuse, including mind fu#$'ery (but I think PTSD from an accident, etc, though i have that too from vehicle accident with fatalities, robbed at gunpoint, etc.... just being misunderstood and not validated from others from any kind of PTSD I think might 'breed' these thought processes that you described? maybe? would make sense to me/kind of get that vibe).

I have a super big issue with TRUTH. None of this, 'well, imo/"my reality" is X,Y,Z." I don't trust my own thoughts, or others', unless it is based in an actual cause and effect and real moral sense of what is right and wrong (I don't think morality is as flexible as a lot of snakes in the grass make it out to be - are you, or are you not, hurting someone else and being fair?). My mom, and others i've attracted since childhood, bent that concept a lot. So it's important to me on that front.

ALSO, in me trying to get better and recover/adapt healthily to PTSD, by looking at the facts of a situation when I'm 'spinning out." It doesn't matter how much is flying around in my head, I try and calm myself down with a very "just the facts, mam" outlook. It's helped me to see behind the mask of a lot of bull crap that others' pull, and for some reason other people don't see.

It's so painful, from childhood or other traumatic events, to be misunderstood and looked at 'badly.' Gutting! So even though you found support from the people in the group, maybe the perceived risk of them not really seeing the truth of what happened to you is too much so you kind of want to preemptively defensibly want to ditch them too (even tho they are assuring you they did...my PTSD mind: "what if they dig deeper then change their minds and go against me?" "what if they're wrong and they just re-inforce the non truth that's being perpetuated in my head because I WANT to believe I was in the right/it was OK when really it wasn't?", etc, pick your self loathing paranoid favorite).

The instigator/people who ganged up on you painted you as ugly, so by that equation, only they can free you from that ugliness through forgiveness/taking back what they said.
But here's my advice that you should pick and choose from (I'm trying to keep this under ten thousand pages, over explain'y girl, so i'll just to my opinion which you are free to dump/recognize it doesn't apply):

As I get better, my bull#$ meter is becoming more fine tuned, to the point a group can be telling me 'white' when I KNOW it's 'black' (like when i see someone wrongfully getting hurt). Try and keep that in mind, that it takes bravery and insight to stand up to a group that is wrong, so the people that defended you didn't do it lightly. And, vegas odds, have a very good bull@#% meter. Don't rule that out and automatically paint there insight as silly (not that you do outright, just when you're in self loathing mode, or the world doesn't understand me mode, and doubting them).

"Just stick with the facts, mam." ie: "So and so is a jack ass, and so and so recognized that." Then let your insecurities fly their freak flag in your mind, it's OK, but just keep returning to "the facts." It'll make it easier on you, as well as the people around you. It's SUPER hard to do, but I think it's the only way we'll 'make it out.' And it's a muscle.
The more we practice it, the easier and more automatic it will become. I don't mean to sound flippant about "just stick to the facts," as it's such a simple concept but when you've grown up with a parent who's jacked with your head throughout a couple of decades of formative years, or have been misunderstood and painted as ugly, damaged, head job or frickin' whatever by people who haven't been through a traumatic event (bless their ignorant butts), it's much more easy said than done. Just cling to the facts. Because at the end of the day, you may have a group another time yelling at you, with NO ONE to stick up for you, and we need to be strong enough to bear that for ourselves, or in defense of someone else wrongfully getting nailed by a group (that helps me too, it's easier to be motivated to help others than ourselves sometimes, do it for the defenseless, etc).

Maybe just view this as an exercise to sharpen your 'bull#%' meter. And to recognize, and give credit to, the people who have a good meter and came to your defense - because they're out there, again, it only takes a moment for someone's mask to fall, and maybe they were clever enough to see it, and 'honor' them by not asking for further reassurance (because CLEARLY you're worth it (not to sound all cliche cheesy, but FFS, you are!).

Don't be embarrassed/panicky/etc and in the noise ditch the good people. It's an exercise to recognize the truth and stand by it, and to attract GOOD people into our lives. It looks like you had a slam dunk. Stand up for yourself and see the 'truth', even against your own self critic's incessant nasty pie hole that's telling you otherwise.

Everything you said sounds totally freaking normal, your reactions, everything!!! Just another day, and another gym work out, we didn't ask for (but good job, you recognized all the critical elements of the situation, your own head and others', so I'd say you're looking pretty beach ready for the summer... just keep 'working out' and sticking to the facts that seem on par to me (and that's without knowing the details, you can just 'smell' it, ha... because even if you were wrong, I'm SURE you wouldn't let yourself get away with that either).
 
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Doubled back to add... you seem to give more cred to the incident than the people who outnumbered the incident and were giving you validation. When you stayed stuck... in your current pattern, yeah you wore them out and they gave up. Time to work on some emotional regulation and recognize and differentiate between the offender and those who are truly trying to validate and support you. Friendly fire well... it happens... but that's how we use/burn people up and they quit trying with us.
 
Glad you received the post's with the spirit in which they were given. You're expansive enough now to be aware of the disproportionate response and how it affected others. Progress, gal... YAY YOU!!! Now, you can address it and keep your support network, system.
 
I get the obsessing bit, and the box sounds like a good idea.

I don't know if I really want people trying to validate what happened in the way they see it, because that's sometimes invalidating me and how I'm feeling. When I'm doing it, I want them to stop... I think.

To add - they were people I didn't know very well on another forum that I went to for support because I'm not doing that great at the moment, but they weren't really an established support network. I'm just annoyed at myself, because if I didn't act that way, maybe I could establish a support network as it is needed.
 
I I'm just annoyed at myself, because if I didn't act that way, maybe I could establish a support network as it is needed.

Sound observation and agree. The foremost thing is it is called to your attention because you are available and have enough levity to choose to or not to initiate change. You are realizing that the pattern no longer serves you moving forward... and that it contributes... rather than mitigates perceived harm/discomfort. You can deal with this now.
 
I don't know if I really want people trying to validate what happened in the way they see it, because that's sometimes invalidating me and how I'm feeling. When I'm doing it, I want them to stop... I think.
I might not be understanding correctly. They are entitled to their own opinions, even if they happen to think you're RIGHT, aren't they? Or, were they actually telling you that you didn't feel the way you felt? That's what "invalidating" means to me.
 
People do not need to/are not obligated to validate what you are feeling... they give their perspective on the situation.

That's true. But I'm not obligated to be reassured or to act that way if that's not how I'm feeling. But in reality, in order to create a support network, I am obligated to accept and trust in other peoples word. I guess that is a sticking point for me.

Can I ask you what you have learned about obsessing, or not being able to accept that the danger has gone (beyond the norm), do you think that is directly related to trauma or the way the mind has begun to work?
 
Um no, you are surely not obligated... if you want to continue the pattern of using up people who validate you. By all means carry on. However if you need to create and keep a support network it would behoove you to use the experience to your advantage and acquire the skillsets/tools you are missing to keep in contact with those who are consistent in their support.

I think that obsessing is being caught between the past and the present... it rationally knows that "now" is not "then... but that the old/familiar/comfortable maladaptive thinking patterns kick in and are given preference over other possibilities to our detriment.

Edited to add: That's the short version... I have to go back to work... will check back later if you'd like me to flesh it out more. But others may come forward for you.
 
Albatross that makes sense, thanks.

if you need to create and keep a support network it would behoove you to use the experience to your advantage and acquire the skillsets/tools you are missing to keep in contact

This is the part I need to work on. It feels like I'm looking in my tool box and wondering how I can do this though. I don't think I have or understand those skills. But at the same time, am recognising that I need them and need some way to understand when to say thanks and stick with it when I'm not feeling it that way.
 
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