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General Ptsd, Marriage And Sex

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Oh thank you for that rightkind of me, I'll have to look into Al Siebert,

Your post above was so wise and initriguing! you must be far along the journey to healing PTSD, do you find it challenging healing it within a relationship?
 
The reason I battle so much to work on my ptsd within a relationship is that my partner is one massive walking trigger for me.
Through uncovering his infidelity last year, which triggered the first memory of being molested as a child.. I fear betrayal so so much and my belief systems have led me to believe that men will always prioritise their sexual needs or emotional needs (that are medicated through sexual means) ahead of caring for me. That they will treat you right, until their needs come into play. That I'll always be second to their needs.

Sadly, it was my brother who molested me, so I learn't the lesson that it doesn't matter who you are, whether your a sister, whether you're a partner, men will always prioritise their needs sexually ahead of you.

When the repercussions of betrayal are so so painful, it makes it extremely hard to open yourself up again.. let alone.. to open yourself up to someone who was unfaithful.

Trying to accept taht everyone makes mistakes is a hard thing to do.. when you fear those mistakes with every bone and cell in your body.

I wish the journey wasn't so painfully long!.. but there are no shortcuts wiht healing this I've learnt.
 
Well, my husband is the first person who ever said, "What happened to you?" I think that a lot of the healing I have been able to do in the past almost ten years has been because he opened the flood gates for me. He was willing to look at me and see me. That was really huge.

I want to stay married. It is a conscious thing I *want*. I have treated everything I *want* in life like it is something I need to pursue as a course of study. I'm an auto-didact. That means I read a lot of books on a given topic before I decide how I want to go about pursuing _____. Whether that is dance, writing, being a mom, being a theatre technician, being a wife. All of these roles/activities are things I don't understand and I can't predict what the demands will be. So I read a lot of books. If I don't find out the pitfalls in advance I will not be able to react in the moment.

My husband is trained in hypnotherapy and has done extensive reading in NLP (Neuro-linguistic programming). He's also an Aspie. He and I both work very well by coming up with scripts for one another. "I'm having a hard time handling it when you _____. Is it possible for you to instead say, ____________?" We are both highly specific. "I know this is going to seem random and harsh. I'm struggling with ______. Is it unreasonable for you to change that?"

Sometimes he will change, sometimes I change, sometimes someone says, "No this isn't something I can change." We negotiate like crazy. I got my start as an adult in the bdsm community. I learned a lot about negotiation.

I was raped by my father starting when I was a baby. I've been raped by a variety of other men and boys. I understand not feeling like you can trust.

My husband "cheated" a few years ago, sorta. We had an open relationship but our rule was you had to talk to the other partner before having sex with someone. He planned out a first date and when I said, "Are you going to f*ck her?" He said, "It's not going to happen." What he really meant was, "I am pretty sure she won't be up for that but if she will say yes OF COURSE." But uhm, that's not what he said. And he chose to do this THE NIGHT BEFORE HIS OFFICE CHRISTMAS PARTY. He had told me he would be home at 10. I sobbed till 2am. That was rough.

We have since decided that we aren't good enough communicators to be non-monogamous. That's some bumpy stuff and we will have enough fights over things we HAVE to do. Let's leave the random sex out of things. It's messy.

A friend told me a great trust analogy. When you are building a relationship with someone it is like slowly dripping water into a bucket. When the bucket isn't very full you can rock it around and you don't lose any water. Once you get that bucket full, once you trust as much as you can, it's easy to rock it just a tiny bit and splash a lot out. It's hard to maintain trust once you have earned a lot of it. Everyone is human. Everyone screws up.

My husband "cheated" almost two years ago. He hasn't given me anything remotely to complain about since. Well... ok.. I could complain. :) But he's a good guy.

I absolutely understand feeling like "All men ________" but you have to convince yourself that it isn't true. Men are no more consistent than women. The only thing you can really say about all of them is they breathe oxygen and pump blood.

I am so very sorry that you have been hurt. But the bad people aren't in the majority. That's how I heal. I was tossed out into the storm to depend on the kindness of strangers. I have been hurt a lot... but the good people outnumber the bad. They really do. Sometimes all the good bastards are hiding at home and THAT DOES ME NO GOOD!!! *ahem*

I also limit the repercussions of anyone being able to hurt me. I limit what I tell people. I limit how I make myself vulnerable. I don't take risks with many people. My husband thinks I am a serious flight risk and he desperately wants to keep me. Really he thinks I am on the verge of committing suicide any day (for fairly good reasons) so he's really f*cking nice to me.

We have a saying in our family. Never leave the house without kisses and hugs and I love you's cause you might get hit by a bus.

My husband genuinely wants to be good to me. His behavior proves it over and over. I trust him because he has earned it. Even though he has f*cked up big. We all do that sometimes. (The cheating isn't the only thing. We had some serious rough patches early on.)
 
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I do give you credit for hangin in for the 2 years you have so far. She obviously loves you and is doing all she can to make you happy within her limitations.

We have actually been married for 8 years. Most of those years have been dealing with PTSD. I know that doesn't limit the implications or make it ok for me to tuck my tail in between my legs and run. I'm just trying to figure out how to cope with the whole situation. Things are coming to a head and it seems like I just can't deal with things anymore. It's like my patience has run out.
 
As a supporter, I think it's understandable to be running out of patience and to have the feelings that you do. I also think that it's fantastic that you and your wife are such good communicators. Any good relationship needs communication.

For what it's worth, I've found that by removing some of the pressure I've placed on myself regarding sex, has helped. I'm aware that it's normal for me to have wants and needs in regards to sex - and actually accepting that it's ok to have those wants and needs is part of what helped me. Sounds a bit daft, but it's true. We don't have the sex life that we once had, but I don't feel hung up on that part of our relationship now. Now that I've sort of 'released' myself from being caught up in what we are (or aren't) doing and not making that such a primary focus in my mind, I'm more relaxed, and the flow on effects of that were that my husband then started initiating sex a bit more. Strange, but true. I enjoy it when it happens and really don't find my mind drifting to those negative thoughts in my mind so much any more.

I'm not sure if this is helpful or not, but I thought I'd share :)
 
That sounds like my husband and I. He and I are both survivors of rape/insest. Sometimes its one of us triggered. Others its both of us trigger. Then there are those times that parenthood calls and we have the urge. Pretty much, I guess what I'm trying to say is it may not be multiple a day anymore, but as long as when you can enjoy it. Take it from someone who pre conception of my son we went 16+ times a day, to 3 times a week. Its the bond that intimacy and sexuality brings the both of you. Oh and it never hurts to discuss with her how you feel. Here's hoping I helped you both.
 
I would find dealing with the restriction on physical contact very diffucult. My sufferer gets triggered by physical contact as well, but we have it kind of worked out. I NEVER initiate touch. I do not hug him, kiss him, touch him first. I try never to escalate things either. I dont assume that just because we are saying goodbye or hello I get a hug or a kiss. If I were you I would try the same thing. It takes a lot of discipline and sometimes you screw up, but there is nothing that will bring down her level of anxiety quicker.

Also, its human nature to want what you dont have...
 
Last time time we had sex, I was sitting on one end of the couch and he was on the other end sitting on the arm. I didn't move towards him and he just sort of flopped onto me and wrapped me around him like a blanket. I just let him do that and I didn't move on my own at all. He just laid there in my arms and shook for about 10 minutes until desire got the better of him and he kissed me. Even then I cant escalate things or it just derails the whole process. Every time we are together I try never to take any touch for granted or assume I have the right to touch him in anyway. Sometimes I forget because its not the way I am used to interacting with people and when I do, it usually has bad results. It's a learning process to find the language you both speak together...
 
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It's a learning process to find the language you both speak together...
True but at some point he has to help guide you and not you be the only one learning his language. He needs to move towards normal as you move towards being 'less than normal'. It is still a two way street in my opinion.
 
I guess I don't look at our interactive style as less then normal though. I still get the touch and the intimacy, its just on his terms. Thats ok with me.

Skipdo is in a worse situation because he is being deprived of physical contact as well as sex. Im not sure humans can live without physical contact and still be healthy people. I was in a loveless marriage with a person without PTSD for 8 years. I slept in my own room. I was deprived of physical contact. My first thought when I woke up every morning was " No one gives a s@#t" Thats what lack of physical contact did to me. Everyone needs different amounts of physical contact but everyone needs it.

Skipdo, I think you need touch, you have a right to not be isolated in your marriage. Your needs are legitimate too.
 
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What does her doctor suggest you do about the lack of sex and physical intimacy? Having sex between a husband and wife is an expected part of the marriage contract. If for some reason it's not possible, that simply has to be addressed. For a doctor to suggest abstinence for a prolonged period of time with no other advice is irresponsible. I'm going to guess the doctor is a female.... sorry, might seem harsh but I can't imagine a male doctor suggesting this and offering up no other alternatives or advice to you. If after 2 years of treatment your wife is no closer to managing any kind of physical contact with you in any form, maybe it's time for a new doctor. (and for the record, I'm a woman.)
 
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