Usergroup Permission Changes

[Deleted member 541]

Ok, for me, I find "thread ban, and the "anonymous" feature just another way of avoiding shit and people that upset us. So for me, it's just an avoidance tool and not an effective way to actually deal with the person that's upsetting you. I don't find it helpful.

I've had people on this forum call me some serious names, and do some other shit that didn't thrill me to the core. I did nothing, but continued to read what they posted when I felt like it. It helped me to know that they were triggered, and that I basically didn't have to do anything. They would either self regulate themselves or not.

Just my 2 cents, which probably isn't worth 2 cents.... LOL!!!!!!

 

[joeylittle]

It helped me to know that they were triggered, and that I basically didn't have to do anything. They would either self regulate themselves or not.

I think this is an important point - thank you for making it.

Just because the tool is there, doesn't mean people have to use it. My dream version of using it would be in the same situation that staff would; the OP has asked the individual to stay on topic/not derail into a side issue that really isn't what is being discussed, the individual doesn't...and now, the OP can put down an actual boundary line on their own that has some true weight to it.

Or, they can do as you suggest, @She Cat - and just not engage with the instigator.

And there's always still 'ignore' as an additional middle step in there.

 

[Neverthesame]

The only concern I have with the thread ban feature, @She Cat nailed on the head better in a far more clear and concise way than I was writing.

I had 3 full paragraphs going, and still hadn't gotten to the bloody point. Lol

 

[lostforgottensoul]

Can you un-thread ban a member later if you change your mind about it? I can see triggered, later being ok and wanting to take it back.

 

[Deleted member 541]

I do understand and can appreciate what @anthony is trying to accomplish with these added functions. In my pee brain though, all I see though are just ways to not deal with the shit head on. When we have these "added functions" they don't allow us to deal with things as in the real world. In the real world when someone irrates us, says something that we don't like, normally we would ask them to stop. If they don't then we ignore them, but we still have to listen to them, discuss the issue and try to resolve it or walk away. So by not using the ignore or ban thread it helps us with a few things.

1) it shows them we are not engaging,
2) it teaches us to self regulate
3).its a learning tool for us to master
4) it teaches us to simply walk away.
5) Or like an adult we try to resolve the issue through talking it out when both parties have cooled down.

 

[joeylittle]

Can you un-thread ban a member later if you change your mind about it?

Yes - you just go through the same way you set the ban, and dismiss it.

In the real world when someone irrates us, says something that we don't like, normally we would ask them to stop. If they don't then we ignore them, but we still have to listen to them, discuss the issue and try to resolve it or walk away. So by not using the ignore or ban thread it helps us with a few things.

I really could not 'like' your post more, @She Cat. That is a series of actions that I find myself explaining, often. You are 100% completely right.

The only thing you need to remember is, the mental health board factor. Lets say the OP is ready to apply those skills. And, lets say there's a member who is not. Now, the member who is not - for whatever reason - can get under the OP's skin like no-one else. So, that member comes into the thread, and starts throwing darts. There's nothing coming from them that isn't a snarky attack. You (OP) ask them to stop, they don't. They aren't breaking any rules, and you don't like to report people for being upsetting - but it's starting to really piss you off, and the reason you posted a thread was you weren't in the best headspace to begin with.

You ask them one more time to stop. They reply, and then add a reply, and then add one - all while you are trying to cool off. And it's shifted - it's no longer about using your powers of disengagement, you are being poked and prodded in a way that justifies putting down a hard barrier. You are right, in a real-life one-on-one we walk away, but threads aren't one-on-ones. Each thread is a mini-group session. You might be getting really useful things from the group - should one person be able to chase you out of that room?

This would be the point where staff would issue a thread-ban - maybe even a little earlier. But sometimes, we just aren't here.

In a case like that, I would be thrilled for you (the OP) to be able to thread ban that individual. You've asked them to leave the room, you've told them to leave the room, now it's time to escort them out of the room.

It's so important for individuals here to work on their self-regulation, at whatever level they are at. Staff are here to intervene when that's not working. But I see how member thread-banning can be an advanced tool for conflict management.

@anthony's take might well be, f*ck that noise, just thread-ban them. I'm of a mind that it's for after you've tried everything else - or, the day you really need help, and you can't be your best regulated self, and some poster is picking a fight for no apparent reason. You can silence the noise.

Knowing how things unfold here, I'm curious to see how it gets used, and when.

And - like all things, if it doesn't work, if it's turning into just silencing any challenging voice at any time - we will want to re-evaluate it.

Remember chat-ban? :bored: That didn't work, in the end. So, those are my thoughts on it. We shall see.

 

[lostforgottensoul]

They reply, and then add a reply, and then add one - all while you are trying to cool off.

I'd like to add. Personally, I have come across situations where a member maybe triggered by a topic and really creates noise on it and goes off topic or throws darts or whatever. I don't want to ignore them as them and I generally get along. They are just triggered or having a "PTSD moment" or whatever. I, before, was having to ignore them a while, and then take them off ignore.

One member in particular has been on ignore around 20 times. It's just that thread or that moment in time.

Another thing is, if someone goes off topic, the thread goes that off topic direction. I do this a lot accidently as I get caught up in discussion but trying to stay aware of it. If we can catch the person the moment (or 2 or 3) that they go off topic and won't stop and the thread goes that off topic unproductive direction, the OP can now stop that. Thread ban that member and get the topic back on point.

And I am sure this helps staff out a lot. Many, like myself, don't mind off topic discussion. I love it actually as it helps me work things out of i can just converse naturally. But others need their threads to stay on point. Now how does staff know who doesn't mind off topic discussion and the thread going that way or those that want it to stay on point? I know a few of my threads were locked for that reason when it was still helpful. They didn't know. It was off the orginal topic. So I think it helps in that way too.

 

[Deleted member 37085]

Questions, comments.

I am so afraid that I have posted in threads inappropriately; and honestly @joeylittle many of Anthony's Usergroup permissions/a lower level of permissions - I do not understand: For example: What does Anthony mean: full tagging management of own threads, profile, media, etc? What does this mean for me, please? Also, @joeylittle I do not want to break rules so would you please help me understand (embarrassed) all of Anthony's permissions/a lower level of permissions as they pertain to me. For @joeylittle, I do not want to be banned, and I do not want to offend any members due to my boundary issues, if any? I am scared, worried for I love this forum, will you please help me? I do not have understanding of terms Anthony has utilized i.e. watch tags and how this pertains to me; view tag users and how pertains to me; all of these permissions revocations - @joeylittle, I do not understand these forum terms, so afraid, please help? xoxo @joeylittle

 

[anthony]

Ok, for me, I find "thread ban, and the "anonymous" feature just another way of avoiding shit and people that upset us.

I don't disagree with you... and as you eluded already, my job is to provide options. Whether a user uses it or not... up to them.

This forum, when smaller, was much easier to manage. As it has progressively grown, so have the issues. Hence, so have features to aid combat situations.

One thing that must be reminded here, it is only premium members who have such features, and that number is quite low in the scheme of the overall community.

@JadesJewel, not having something has nothing to do with anyone getting banned. Tagging is just that, you can add tags to content to help in search queries, find like content quickly, so forth. The same as any social network uses. Managing tags is just that, edit, delete, add, etc. You can ask such questions via the help ticket system. Raise a ticket with any such questions where a response can be tailored for you.

 

[Deleted member 541]

@anthony Thanks for explaining things.

 

[anthony]

I have temp disabled reply ban to fix an issue @Friday outlined.

 

[Deleted member 37085]

I don't disagree with you... and as you eluded already, my job is to provide options. Whether a user uses i...

@anthony I am not a premium member (don't know what that means) and please I do not want to be banned for not being able to understand guidelines policies and procedures on how to behave appropriately in this wonderful forum you created. JadesJewel