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Husband Doesn't Understand The Pain Of Intercourse

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Wow is all I have to say for #1...

I can only give my opinion as a man and as a husband for what it's worth on my own moral compass. All men are NOT this man or this way I can tell u that. This is a beyond selfish act in some ways if he means all of this the way he said it...that's the key if ur looking for some silver lining here I would think I would clarify one more time with him his intent behind his message because if he means this the way it sounds now then I would be seriously reevaluating yourself and where u belong. No man should ever talk to his wife in that type of way or using those words unless he expects to be left if u ask me. U aren't CHOOSING to not have sex with him as a willing 100% healthy mind body and soul individual. U have a physical problem that he should NOT want to exacerbate! No matter what!

Take a minute to reevaluate ur own needs and wants and moral compass. I would take that time completely separate from ur husband and if ur above doesn't align with his no matter how much u love him I would call it a day. He has violated u in my opinion and is lucky u are even thinking about this logically. Good luck to u!
 
I used to enjoy sex before I got married and at the time I met my husband I was at age 31 or so and celibate for years because I thought my previous mental breakdown was caused by my obsessive need for a physical relationships. I was finally believing in God again which made me begin to heal after 12 years of living death. I only had 3 years open before I married him.

The first therapist wanted me to get out but wouldn't say so and I was too naive to understand his left handed advice until years later.

He varied between being in another world and being cunning but I wanted kids and he was the only one with a stable job, etc at the time out of the 150 guys in our church singles group for people over 30 y.o. My best friend and several church leaders knew him 20 years and vouched for his character. We dated two years. His sons got married 2 and 4 months after us. He said later he wanted to be married for their weddings.

He was not affectionate or loving, just logical, as an engineer, which I tend to be so it was not problem except I thought when we got married he'd show affection and love and protection. I was stupid because my drives were for a family, the only goal I had my entire life. I was so messed up I knew I couldn't work or earn enough to support myself. I have never been on my own and am real old now.

The honeymoon was a shock because he insisted on certain things and I never faced his lack of flexibility before. It was not pleasant. It never was and gradually it became so painful it was like a knife being inserted in me. I told him I could be a blow up doll. I didn't fit the mold he created in his former 24 year marriage. I have no idea what went on with that but she had a bad father and got pregnant to get away and had another and stuck it out until they were almost out of college.

After telling him so many times it felt like a knife with sex and going to 5 therapists, he quit all of them when he knew I would take the heat, we quit sex.finally and he quit hurting me with sex and I moved out of the bedroom because I snored and he gets what he wants. He looked at porno and masterbates every day - kept a calendar of it. He has rubbers in the car. He used ointment for yeast infections which numbed me I find all this out after the fact. I got terribly depressed immediately into the marriage and couldn't have a child and didn't want to anymore but he has ground me into being too scared to leave the house much less get a divorce. My whole life has passed me by and now I'm losing what mind I have.

I knew I would get so depressed after a divorce it would be worse if I isolated myself completely and had no money. I can't stand up for myself to get a divorce without losing everything emotionally especially. He is good at making me want to kill myself. Lately it's gotten so bad after 30+ years I am slowly getting nerve to move and looking for help to get out without sacrificing my mental acuity because I am about to drop through the bottom into the abyss. I lost my short term memory. I do things to try to hurt myself that could kill me. I think about wanting to be dead all the time now. I slept for 2 1/2 days then stayed up for 3 days.

I found some information that can help me with that if I can pursue it but I am bad at that.

The jobs I had were demeaning and I can't promote myself. With ADD the more pressure there is the worse I get so people seem justified to cut me to shreds. I can only do good work alone and that takes 3 times longer than others even tho I have always been told how smart, talented, etc. I am. I have achieved a lot when he's not around. Everyone else comes first and I have been a loser from age 4.

In graduate school I broke down completely with clinical depression, paranoia, couldn't talk, etc that lasted for 12 years and with a higher education I still can't support myself. I can't take criticism because I believe I am always wrong and take the blame and perpetrators cans spot a victim. I can't hurt others or be mad or vindictive. I stayed in school because I couldn't face rejection trying to get work.

Today I found out he's been stealing my pain pills and other meds and has stolen from me for years, hides stuff who knows where and or maybe uses them. I found them in his drawer this morning after my neighbor told me to get all the financial info I could if I wanted to divorce. He has a lot of money not in my name and in cash and well hidden. He has destroyed my investments and made the financial records impossible to follow, I don't have time or energy to get it together and wouldn't know how. I am totally scared if he gets suspicious I am planning he will steal the rug from under me, which he has done a good job so far.

He knows I was in his drawer because I was too upset to be careful where things were. So the boom will lower some more. The essential documents will disappear. My therapist told me just to wait until he died. He's isn't dying.

I don't believe lawyers have sympathy or understand gaslighting or narcissists. My female trauma grief therapist didn't help much. I have ADD and can't talk or explain or find the words. I deliberately blank out the pain because to retain or review by writing down all the myriad of little wounds he inflicts is torture so I am not able to prove a thing except a few hate him who see through him and now don't care for me because I won't do what they said - to get away.

People say they can't believe it, that he's very good at acting like a saint. He's always at church so i don't want to be there. I can't convince a pastor he's satan in sheep's clothing. We had to leave the last church 1 1/2 yrs ago and the new one doesn't know me well enough since I'm so depressed and don't go half the time, nor could anyone fathom the depth of his cunning.

I should have put this on the gaslighting thread. If people here are unaware of it how can a healthy person understand it? Obviously I was brought up in it and only figured it out the last couple of years. I had to quit contact with 3 sisters last year due to their abuse but I feel sorry they had to go through it and reap the results, or anyone who does.

This is an example. For months he locked my car doors in the garage so I couldn't open the door to get something out or get in every day until I did it to his car without fail. Then he quit so than I quit, but now he began again, so I began rolling down all windows in winter when I got home and he asked why and I told him. That has worked for almost a week so far.

He sometimes gave back meds he denied taking when I told him they cost $75. They suddenly appear but he denies everything and I question everything even in front of others. It doesn't stop him, just makes him more insidious. He is getting me to not trust myself but I still blame him because my mind is so suddenly and consistently worse with frequent huge changes, now that he knows I want out.

It doesn't help for him to know what it's like. I tried treating him how he treats me but it makes me a worse person to others as well. He holds over me the fact if I leave it is considered abandonment. I need a lawyer who understands narcissists.
 
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Melanie Tonia Evans videos. Learn to do gray stone method. Only only believe your perspective and reality. Be prepared when you leave you will go through withdrawl. Nothing about this process is easy but it is doable. You must be kind to yourself, believe in yourself...period. gaslighting is a powerful method to break someone down mentally. Disengage as much as possible now. After separation go no contact. Above all never give up.
 
Narcs are big bullies. Think through any threats he may make and verify if they truly carry any weight. Sometimes, they are all hot dramatic air. Remember they feed off of your emotion. If you must respond be neutral, calm....If they can't get to you, get a rise out of you, push your buttons, or get narcissistic supply, it renders you useless to them. If you are lucky, they will disguard you. However, all narcs are your garden variety abusers. They can be highly unpredictable when the relationship is ending. Be prepared for the absolute worst. Have a safety plan in place. Your local domestic violence organization has more information than you think...tap into it.
 
I have also mentioned to him about going with me to therapy. The one time he went , he said that he felt that the two of us were ganging up against him. He has not been back.
I have wondered about having him go alone?? So, he won't feel so attacked? Or does that sound like a waste of money and time?

I also have told him to talk to anyone who knows my past. My bother is in the therapy field and my friend has gone thru most of this with me and was there when my last "boyfriend" died suddenly. (we also had never had sex after 7 years together. But, he was ok with it, I think. It doesn't matter anyway, since he died- which put me in the hospital for almost a month. I almost missed his funeral, but the dr. let me go.)
 
This is spot on. I don't think anyone could possibly say it better. Yep, in the absence of a free...
Almost 10 years now. The memories started coming back very strong about 3 years ago. He tells me that he loves me or he wouldn't still be here.
 
Your views seem to me to be along the lines of a woman owes her husband sex, follow that on down,...
The first person who hurt me was my father. Then my grandfather after him. So, I guess I started out learning that sex is what all men want from women. Why else would they want us/me? I have never given myself much care or concern. I just accepted that "this is my life".

I remember sitting on the floor in my bedroom (elementary school level) and just deciding that "this is my life". :(

I wish so much that I could back to tell her that she is wrong. I've read that I could write "her" a letter. I just can't seem to find the nerve to do it. Maybe I'm just too scared to "open that can of worms", and find what is inside.
 
if you have a history of sexual abuse, or any abuse, you have to be really careful of not recreating that trauma with people down the road. i can't remember this entire thread, but it's possible that you've recreated the abusive relationship with your family because "selfish" is what feels normal to you.

i can relate too much to the cynicism about men. if you've never been loved it's hard to know, but it feels completely different from what you're used to. someone who loves you cares about you and tries to make you happy. but if no one's ever loved you, you won't be able to know when a relationship is bad.
 
I'm not a sufferer, My partner is!
I found this thread as I'm having a sort of similar situation as you both and in search of posts to try and read up on it.
I just posted about a similar story just yesterday in the supporter section.

I am so surprised at your hubby getting angry. At the minute my partner isn't able to engage in any kind of intimacy, he is a vet and something over the last 6 months has just changed. If he did try I could tell he wasn't that into it and was simply doing it for my benefit, which made it feel worse and the magic wasn't there.
I don't mean to be cruel but your husband is putting real pressure on you, and being kind of selfish.
To be honest I currently feel a bit down about the lack of intimacy as it was really the only closeness my partner and I had. I would never get mad at him, in my case it brings out a few of my insecurities and worries me. Perhaps his feeling have changed but I would never put that kind of pressure on him to preform.
If anything I would encourage you to talk to him. Discuss how ever much you feel comfortable to. If you don't feel you can tell him everything, at least tell him a portion. My partner is really poor at communicating and when I asked about our situation he is in denial. Putting it down to tiredness/ busy schedule, I know it's more than that as we had a good quality sex life a couple of years back. he will hopefully tell me in time, when he feels comfortable.
In my case when I don't know the cause I come up with a million reasons that probably aren't accurate. I blame myself e.g have I gained weight, am I not satisfying him, is there someone else, is he not attracted to me etc. Would your hubby be feeling this way also but not voicing it, so he didn't seem weak?
These feelings slowly start to diminish my self esteem. Where if he could perhaps give me a little insight I might be able to ease up on me a little.

Our situation is different but what harm can talking about it do?
Your under great pressure to do something that pains you, that's not fair and I'm sure your husband would feel bad if he just understood how difficult and painful a task being intimate is.

Have you tried perhaps being intimate but not having full intercourse, you say it's sore but if anyone was hurting and under pressure to have sex it would be tense and almost impossible to enjoy. I guess you just need to figure out what works for you.

I hope you figure this out together and find that healthy balance. Sorry I can't give any better advice. :)

Bet wishes.
 
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