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I'm Not Sure If I Was Raped But It's Bothering Me.

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No, the alcohol makes her vulnerable to people who might want to harm her and stops her being able to remember what's happened to her. I can't see anything in her account that points to rape - she hasn't said she found herself undressed under the blanket or her clothing in disarray - just that she woke up under a blanket with her shoes in a different room.

That she drank so much she can't remember suggests problematic alcohol use on her part which she would do well to try and address. I'm not blaming her for being raised, because there's nothing to say she was and rape is always the responsibility of the person who chooses to rape. I'm not blaming her for her alcohol use either but pretending it didn't come in to play her is doing her no favours.
 
I'm not sure why this thread has turned into such a mess or why there is so much anger about me saying she needs to quit drinking and seems to have a drinking problem.

Well, Vetaho, it could be because people are hammering on about an assumed substance abuse problem in a conversation about possible rape. So people are talking and lecturing about WHY someone was possibly raped, rather than having an eye level discussion about IF someone was raped. You, nor anyone else on here, knows whether or not the OP was raped, nor do they know if they have an alcohol problem. You're playing with fire trying to make a topic out of the assumed "why's" of her rape rather than keeping the conversation where it belongs: helping the OP take the right steps to figure out (professionally or otherwise) if something happened to her.

A few times blacking out drinking does NOT imply an alcohol problem. The fact that the OP has been raped while drunk before does NOT imply an alcohol problem. Many more markers need to be hit to diagnose it as substance abuse - do you know all of them? All the above described scenario implies is that she's been around the wrong people while drinking. Are we here to judge, no? Are we here to help her find out what to do with this situation, yes.
 
Pointing out repetitive habits, inclinations or behaviors that increase vulnerability and have caused revictimization or recreation or repeat of a previous trauma(s) or newer unpleasant and or criminal consequences - I personally do not feel is judgmental nor "playing with fire". If this was rape, the OP is already taking the appropriate measures AND if it was rape this would be a 3rd? It is not wrong to point out that some self examination and therapeutic and/or recovery assistance is perhaps in order.

I have no dog in this hunt and have not posted before, nor likely will again. Spoke up though after the post above. Sheesh.
 
Zepo - I haven't commented on this thread, but I wanted to say j agree with you and I did not see judgment in your comments, just honesty.
I was a person who used alcohol and drugs as a crutch for years, and was around others also not in complete control of their faculties - it did not lead to good things.
I woke up one day and realised I was repeating and repeating the experience of being victimised by being in such a vulnerable state.
I took up yoga instead! Seems like the polar opposite, but in feel good terms much much better
I hope the op does find out what this was, and of course she is not responsible for being raped!!!
i did not read that in your words.
 
Maybe. Just. Maybe it had not as much to do with the alcohol as the disbelief that it could happen again?
 
Honestly, I don't really see why you think you were raped. There were other explanations for your shoes being in the roo...

You've just reached for some far fetched accusations there... why are you assuming she's an alcoholic?
I used to take Effexor and it's terrible when you mix it with alcohol. I usually don't black out as well, but when I'd drink on Effexor then I would lose all control. You could try talking to your friend about it, after you've talked with your therapists.
I am not a doctor though, this is just my small advice (and also don't listen to the original comment)
 
Because this has happened to her numerous times. If a person gets raped while drunk and then continues to drink ... and gets raped again while drunk ... there's usually a drinking problem. I'm speaking from experience here, not judging. If someone had given me this tough love speech when I was younger, maybe I wouldn't have been raped so many times.
 
PTSD and self medication such as alcohol and other drugs is something we have all experienced to avoid memories of pain and horror. Alcohol and drugs really dont go together especially when you mix them in a flavour which is toxic. Some advise is that you need to find a support group of friends - your therapist is someone who must help you get through your hard times now to cope with what has happened. Try and focus on YOU at the moment to get better. All the best with our journey :-)
 
Not giving any legal, medical, or moral advice. Just stating the facts:

Anyone knows that when you mix alcohol, medications, or any other Drug, your normal judgment (including the ability to make key critical decisions such as consent to sex with someone) is drastically impaired. Based on your situation you presented, mixing drugs or medication and alcohol is a really bad idea anyway. You already rendered yourself vulnerable by the taking in of these things because these things impaired your judgment (and more than likely you knew this because these things are taught in school) and this most likely led to the things that occurred because of how others reacted to you (particularly the males) in seeing the state you were in. I will say that young men taking the high road would have left you alone. However, some man apparently saw an opportunity presented itself to get to you and you did not have the judgment to stop it (due to being under the influence or intoxicated which subdued your own inhibitions and I am NOT saying that it is okay at all to take advantage of someone under the influence either).

This sounds like based on what you said and how you described the situation, the actual events that had occurred could have gone either way. The thing to know is you didn't have the proper judgment at the time to emphatically stop this from happening. This means you need to stay away from alcohol and only used medication that is prescribed as directed. It sounds like you put yourself in a situation where you were already by yourself (around other people that could do this to you), so you left yourself vulnerable. Some guy apparently saw "an easy target" and preyed upon that (as it can be perceived). These kinds of things happen even around people you are acquainted with and think you know. You are probably feeling guilty about it and that is why it bothers you so much.

You could look at this one of two ways, you were under the influence and had impaired judgment so you really did not know whether or not you were saying yes or no if it even happened (and we do not know that it really did).

On the other hand, there are "date rape" drugs out there. In these cases, according to what I have heard, the man knocks the woman out completely by slipping some drug into her drink. She is unconscious and can't do anything. The man in these cases has his way with her. She usually wakes up naked or something else. I do not think this happened to you based on what you described.

Your attempt to prove rape could be very difficult. As other posters stated there are a number of different plausible explanations that can account for the morning after.

I would further advise you to stay away from alcohol or drugs (never combine them together) and stay away from parties if you do and be around trusted people you know. Doing anything else or putting yourself in another situation where this could happen makes you really vulnerable and puts you at great risk.

Not to scare you... these are the facts. There are weird predators out there (some of these people are really depraved), there are a number of STD's, and there is the knowledge that you need to have the proper judgment to know when you are giving or not giving consent.

The law broadly and generally defines rape as the forceful sexual advances of one person onto another without the mutual consent of another person (with certain exceptions like the age exception, I.e. you need to be of adult age and so does the other person, etc...). based on what you said, rape would be difficult to prove here under the broad scope of the law. If you disagree, you can speak with local law enforcement officials within a reasonable time period, but you are also subject to scrutiny of law enforcement if you do because of the drugs, alcohol, and other things, depending on what you say to them. There's another catch-22 and it could work in a negative way against you.

What I would say, not that you know all of the outside facts (and from a person not knowing the actual specifics about the situation you described) is: If I had the choice, I would do what I felt was right to make me be okay with it and above all- learn from the experience and be glad you're still alive and survived through it. If I were there, I would have been a total gentleman and saw to your safety.

Sincerely,

The snowyowl
 
Well, Vetaho, it could be because people are hammering on about an assumed substance Abuse problem in a conversation about possible rape. So people are talking and lecturing about WHY someone was possibly raped, rather than having an eye level discussion about IF someone was raped. You, nor anyone else on here, knows whether or not the OP was raped, nor do they know if they have an alcohol problem. You're playing with fire trying to make a topic out of the assumed "why's" of her rape rather than keeping the conversation where it belongs: helping the OP take the right steps to figure out (professionally or otherwise) if something happened to her.

Based on what I read in all of the posts, it was really difficult to even definitely determine if in fact the woman describing the events herself was raped, although I acknowledge it was possible. I just explained why she was raped, if she was to ease her mind and put her (mentally) into the direction she needs to go. I also pointed out that she can go (at her own risk) to law enforcement. Due to this being a recurring problem (that is, a pattern emerged as this has apparently happened before), she runs the risk herself of being put under scrutiny by law enforcement and the legal process and her credibility may actually be called into question if she claims rape to the police. I am merely factually preparing her for the potential mental bombardment (the possibility of being hurt a second time) by the justice system she could undergo if she takes this path since there are confusing issues and unsubstantiated facts on the part of the original claimant (the OP). Whether a rape occurred or not is difficult to prove and she said this has occurred before. I think that the OP has some other underlying problems here (without diminishing or minimalizing the perceptions she has about her experiences). It is clear that she needs to see a doctor first to avoid scrutiny by the police. If she was raped as found by a doctor, she can file after getting the medical results from a qualified physician. She should also seek professional help or psychological counseling due to her state of mind.

Lashing out in anger and cussing or placing blame is not the answer either. All of us acknowledge that she needs help. I would recommend she seek therapy and counseling. She can also do a rape kit with her physician and give minimal information to avoid scrutiny by the police (and protect herself emotionally). The police and a judge can be brutal when putting a person on a witness stand in order to go after the truth. These people want the sordid details (which can be horrific) when putting a person on the stand. I was a juror on a rape case one time and I will never forget that. I remember the lawyers grilling her (the victim) on the stand about the sordid details in order to secure a conviction against the accused perpetrator. she had to basically relive the experience and tell everything to that courtroom that happened to her. all of this had to happen just to get a conviction on the accused person. I am saying this because if she goes to the police and the legal process, it is a long, drawn out, and lengthy process in which she could get hurt and traumatized once again by. I think that her quietly getting the medical exam would be a better idea.
 
Based on what I read in all of the posts, it was really difficult to even definitely determine if in fact the woman describing the events herself was raped, although I acknowledge it was possible...

I agree also that taking the proper steps, and self examination of the behavior is not judgmental, but it is a beginning of going through a process of being made whole again by making better decisions, placing one's self in a better environment, getting the help, and behaving in a new and different way that is a far greater benefit than prior repeat behavior that has such a negative impact.

Sincerely,

The snowyowl
 
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I have a child and even before I gave birth my mate's ejaculation would not leave my body for a few days, it's sits there...

The males of the human species might know that semen lives for 24-72 hours after ejaculating into a woman's body (unless the killer of semen, nonoxynol9, is used or the semen is urinated on (urine is a natural eliminator of semen as well)). It not known unless you are a female how semen specifically lives within the body of a female. I considered myself rather well educated, though ignorant of this particular thing until you shared this information in this thread since most books don't talk about that, not even most pregnancy books, the internet, etc... discuss that.

We're not being judgmental here- as males just don't know any better. You need not get all over people or cuss for what they really don't know and would not know in most cases.
 
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