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Undiagnosed I Need Help With Ptsd From Losing Job

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Thank you, brat17. I believe I forgot to answer your earlier questions. I cannot remember what my friend told me I was suffering from - I have forgotten the term she used - but when I told my physician about the conversation, he said that I was suffering from PTSD from losing a job I loved, from becoming sick in the work environment and losing so much of my health, and from the isolation, etc. I do not believe I suffered from anything previous to losing my job and the experiences I went through the last two years of working. I also live in a very rural community, so there aren't as many opportunities for me to meet other people, and my husband's job keeps him away much of the time.
 
If you experienced enough stress, you could suffer from PTSD. PTSD is not just a psychological disorder, it's a neurophysiological, neuroendocrinological disorder: When we suffer from enough stress, our brains down-regulate our gluccocorticoid receptors (which respond to stress hormones), and our entire system is thrown off-we begin to experience symptoms, psychiatric and physical.

And different people experience stress differently, and some are more prone to it than others. Especially if you feared for your life during your illness-that is one of the primary definitions of PTSD. Different brains react to different levels of stress differently.

It would take someone familiar with trauma therapy to properly diagnose your symptoms.

I'm very sorry for your experience and position. Being isolated, cut off from fellowship with others, can be one of the most stressful of conditions, and can be responsible for PTSD, in itself ("Trauma and Recovery"-Herman, M.D.)-as humans are social beings.

People often talk now of symptoms related to mental health as being "Bio-psycho-social" in origin. It's often referred to as a reflection of "Mind Body, and Spirit", as well. If the Bio corresponds with "body", and "Psycho" relates to mind--then what does "Social" correspond to? To "Spirit". When we isolate ourselves (most of us), our spirits wither. This can be another description of PTSD, I believe-a philosophical rather than medical one.

I'm so glad you're reaching out here, at least. Hopefully you can find some other means, as well as a trauma-related therapist, to establish your diagnosis. Please remember that there are people who understand and care, and cheer you on in your struggle.
 
I slipped and fell and was unconscious for 5-10 minutes. My exam was normal, they did not see the broken rib on initial x-ray. I went to work 8 hours later and for the next week continued a very busy schedule. When I came to, I remember thinking that I was a child and was going to be in trouble with my mother. I got a whipping if I skinned my knees or fell down and my mother would rage that there was something wrong with my coordination. So the first though was that I had to get home, my mother is going to kill me. I was 48 and my mother died in 2001.

A week later, I had not slept 12 hours all week from the pain, and now I could not breath. I went to the dr. They called the next day and said I had a broken rib, but the blood test revealed low probablity of blood clot and the rib would heal on its own. I was releaved. Ten minutes later they called back and said that the lung scan that I had that day at the hospital revealed that I had a blood clot in my lung. I immediately thought of how many people I knew who had a blood clot in their lung and died. Actually, I never knew anyone who lived. They told me to get prepared to be admitted. Half hour later told me to come to dr office. My family dr talked to pulmonary dr who said blood test more accurate and that lung scans often wrong. He said to schedule ultra sound of lung before admitting and medicating me. The next day, 6 am-lung scan-negative. The wait was the longest 24 hours of my life. I have a 70 yr old friend that was a nurse when she was 20. She immediately came to my house-she meant well. But she did not want me to move, insisting the clot could move.

The fall was traumatizing. Being told I had a blood clot was traumatizing. During that 20 hr period I did not want to scare my 16 and 18 yr old daughter so told them to continue with their plans. I tried to minimize it. I thought of the childhood I had survived with an alcoholic mother. Her driving me drunk. I managed to escaped being molested or raped by the men I was exposed to. I survived a 6 yr relationship with a bi polar addicted husband that beat me up on many occasions and put me in hospital only once with concussion when I was unconscious after head beaten on pavement. He drove like a maniac to scare me when he was mad or just for fun. I developed cfids and fibromyalgia and beat that. I thought of the risks that I had taken, everything from hitch hiking as a teenager to unprotected (rare) sex. I ruminated this whole time knowing that I was going to die for sure. I survived all of this, made a good life for myself, just got my masters degree and passed my licensing exam a year before, and now I was going to die because of a puddle on the floor when I went to buy a friend flowers. I rumenated about what I survived and was frozen. I was a good person, I was a great mother, very involved and patient and nurturing. I would not see my kids graduate or get married. It was a long day. I devoted my life/career to helping others for a low wage. Why was this happening to me.

I was mad at myself for going to work in the morning and every other morning to prevent letting my clients down and to prevent financial hardship as well. I was mad for not returning to the ER sooner when I was getting worse, but the dr in the ER told me I would feel worse before better once the injuries set in. Now I wondered if they were correct about the CT of head, or did I have a bleed that was overlooked. Who can I trust. I dont trust Krogers, they hired some stoned guy to clean the floor and he left a puddle and did not put signs up. I couldnt trust the ER. Who was going to take care of my girls, My husband lived with his selfish mother since her husband died, and was inept as a husband and father. At least my daughters were past the point of starting their periods without a mother. What else have I not told them about life that I should have- so, so much that I wanted to say now, but that would scare them. Who would make medical decisions if I could not. Were my papers and files in order. I need to write instructions to a collegue to take over my files as to not hurt my patients in the event of death. I had myself dead.

Even though I did not have a blood clot, I was angry after this. I was frustrated. I was frustrated at the way my husband was, at the way my oldest daughter treated me, at all kinds of things that had never bothered me. I was sleep deprived and thought that was it. I could no longer hear the alarm clock blaring in my ear. I could not wake up and get going easily. Nobody told me that the brain continues to swell after the accident and damage continues for weeks or months at the cellular level. Now I was forgetting words. My morning routine of years confused me, making me late for everything. I looked in my closet and had no idea what to wear.

After this, I cried very easily. I feared not having someone to take me to the hospital if I had an accident. I feared being forgotten. I feared medical staff being incompetent.

The fall changed my life, but worse was that the fall changed my attitude. It was the beginning of anxiety and depression and my careless impulsive choices after the fall led to ptsd. I felt empathy for people that I would have never allowed in my life. I was gullable. I didnt get a joke easily. I had slow processing. I stuggled with work although my job was fairly easy, I could not handle the paper work. I suffered head aches for a long time. I was tried on medications that often did not work. I began using alcohol to numb myself. I suspected others noticed my changes. I became less effective in getting my needs met and in expressing myself. I dated a certified alcoholic that said he quit and was going to meetings. He had my back and helped me financially, at a high cost to my mental health. He also tried to choke me and left me stranded in Florida. I had to get an emergency flight home. After 2 yrs, I had to quit working. I thought this would help me recover. It only robbed me of the little self esteem that I had left, and left an empty place in my life. I thought that would help, but that is when my self esteem plummeted. Then I was assaulted in my home by a cop who thought that I was someone who he had arrested in the past. I told him I had never been arrested but that only fueled his anger as he accused me of calling him a liar. He tore my rotator cuff and assaulted me after putting a gun to my face. Then took me for a joy ride, took me in the cruiser to an alley, I was face down and cuffed, when the paramedics deliberately dropped me hard on a back board and put a neck brace on me. and took me to the hospital, then to magistrate court, all the while in old raggy pajamas with missing buttons and draw strings with my body exposed, verbally abusing me for an hour at the hospital. I began having post menopausal bleeding, diagnosed as abnormal vaginal bleeding. Telling me that I am nobody. That I may be educated but I have no f....ing sense. That I am a looser. All kinds of verbal abuse. I was injured and overdosed on meds given in the ER 2 weeks later. My insurance took counseling away after 6 visits. Two months later I attempted suicide.

My point is that often ptsd is not the result of one thing. The resilient person that was like the little engine that says "I think I can" turned into the person who knows she cant. So I isolate. I trust the tv, I trust the computer, I trust my dogs. I dont trust many people. The best I can do is projects around the house to keep busy and keep my chin up.

Sorry for the length. I have a problem expressing myself without too much detail often. I dont have the right words, My vision has changed. I suffered facial tic for 4 years or so after this. My sister made fun of me for it. My family is embarrassed of me. Disability is not enough to live on. That is depressing, Not having enough money to buy meds and dog food causes anxiety. My drug addicted alcoholic niece attempted to attack me a few months ago because I would not give her my pain medication. My daughter who I put through law school has not only verbally abused me, she does not want to have a mother with ptsd and tbi, but did not become firm on this until I spent about $60,000 on her. I had to give it to her. When she gets mad there is hell to pay. She has knocked me down, shoved my head in the refrigerator, and slammed my foot in the door on purpose. She lies and steals and is a great lawyer. When she doesnt get her way, she gets her dad on me. Last May, I begged to not have to move her from law school because of torn rotator cuff and herniated discs and fatigue. Her and her dad coerced me into doing it. I had to pack her stuff (she was unprepared). I had to scrub everything that had not been cleaned in 2 years, do all the vacuuming, and scrub carpet while she stood around. Her and the boys and her dad drank beer. The guys did load the truck. After dumping all this in my house with barely a path, she took the boys out drinking for helping her. (Boyfriend of 7 years cant help her without her being the DD for the night.) Then she returned for finals and left my home in a disaster.

I have become content with isolating

I got a settlement when I was depressed and only 4 months after suicide attempt. Being the sucker and generous person I am, I gave a large portion away and am broke again. I blew some trying to feel better and traveled. I helped everyone out. But I can honestly say only about 3 people in my life have done nice things for me with no expectations.

My therapist says I have ptsd from childhood, but it feels to me that it started with this accident. Maybe it was lying dorment, and my attitude, humor, and resiliency saved me until this accident. I was never diagnosed until after the police assault. I was 50, 110 pounds, never arrested, not even a speeding ticket. The officer knew me from court where I advocated for abused women, but I could not get the words out and froze at his questions because he was yelling at me from the start because it was time for him to change shifts. I was a soccer mom and law abiding citizen. I now relate more to criminals and addicts of sorts. Maybe I have stockholm syndrome too. I have lost most friends, except the true few that I have known for ever. My family are worthless, as I can no longer be their bank, maid, and taxi. I am useless and pray not to wake up everynight when I go to sleep. If there is a God, he will bring me home and re-unite me with my loved ones who have died prematurely.

If it turns out that you have ptsd, there is hope for you. If it is not ptsd, as there are many things that resemble, there is help for that. Please see a specialist soon and dont let it go on too long because without professional resources it will get worse. Sometimes it gets worse before better anyway. If it turns out that it is not ptsd, there is good treatment for everything if you find the right place. For your sake, I hope that it is not ptsd. Having such an illness can cause depression and anxiety and other things that may feel like ptsd. I am sure you have lost trust for employers, and jobs are hard to find. God Bless you, you are in my thoughts and prayers.
Brat
 
Thank you for telling your story, Brat, and in such detail. I'm so sorry for your experiences, and family abuse and rejection! You may not think of yourself as resilient, but to have endured such abuse over such a long period, and to keep getting up in the morning, is a triumph in itself!

Many people, the world, enjoy the opportunity to kick people when they're down. Human nature can be an ugly thing. Please do what you can to see these others as sick, and not to take it upon yourself!

Even if you go to sleep every night praying you won't wake up-you still are. And taking steps like traveling and trying to spend money to help yourself feel better are positive steps in self-care.

I, too, spent many years praying that I wouldn't wake up. I'd like to say that I'm past that stage, now, but I too still have those days...sometimes many stringed together. You haven't mentioned that you've sought treatment, but I hope you will. Having a gun pointed in your face, among all the other things you've described, is to experience an imminent danger of death, which is one of the primary diagnostic criteria for PTSD. I hope you'll remember that you're worthwhile, that it's not your flaws, but other's sickness that governs their response to you, and take strength in the fact that you've had the strength you've had.
 
, I remember thinking that I was a child and was going to be in trouble with my mother. I got a whipping if I skinned my knees or fell down and my mother would rage that there was something wrong with my coordination...driving me drunk....beat me up...choke me ....assaulted in my home by a cop ....shoved my head in the refrigerator,
Brat, have a look at this list and this is only a bit of it. Children in normal families don't get whipped for skinning their knees. I agree with your therapist. You felt like a child when you thought you had the clot. That indicates a pre-existing dormant state of trauma. My final PTSD symptoms were set off by a misunderstanding with my T but it was the triggering event. Thinking a blood clot could suddenly kill you at any time is beyond awful.


Promicarus,
Loosing everything you felt you could rely on - job, identity, health and trust in people - all at once is awful. I just wanted to say that if it isn't PTSD it makes your experiences and symptoms no less deserving of healing. There have been life changing experiences (non PTSD criterion A) that I have had that were truly awful to the point where I was almost catatonic with depression.

Have a look at these to see if you feel the PTSD is likely to match. Traumatic reactions that don't fit an event that fits into criterion A (listed at bottom) or are not fully symptomatic for PTSD can match Adjustment disorders.
[DLMURL]https://www.myptsd.com/c/articles/posttraumatic-stress-disorder.7/[/DLMURL]
[DLMURL]https://www.myptsd.com/c/articles/adjustment-disorders.4/[/DLMURL]
 
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Promicarus and Abstract-thank you both for reading and for your kind responses. I didnt mean to write a book. I havent had any contact with anyone for a week at least, and cant leave my house right now. I guess I get long winded on here sometimes. Im sorry, I dont mean to. I have been more depressed and isolated since insurance took T and medication away.

Promicaris, I agree with Abstracts last message to you totally. I hope you get get the help you need, and if it is or is not ptsd, it makes your experiences and symptoms no less deserving of healing. I can understand depression causing a near catatonic state. Im sorry you have the same thoughts of not waking up, it is not the way you deserve to live your life. Loosing everything that is stable and delving into unknown territory in so many areas of life at one time sounds very traumatizing to me. I have been in counseling for years. Now my insurance is forcing me to change therapists. Makes no sense when my T is familiar with such a complicated history (much more I have not stated). So I have been without therapy for 2 months. Then they took my medication away and made me go on another one that failed in 2007. I ended up in ER with BP 183/104 and splitting headache and numb face. So I quit taking but after days was feeling SI so I just paid the $225 a month. Unfortunately this is not something I can afford to do. I felt like I had to though because I having surgery for torn rotator cuff Dec 6 and dont want to go in depressed with SI.

Abstract-I have describe it as a 48 yr old independent, competent, and resilient woman fell down and was unconscious, and a girl with the emotions of an 11 yr old woke up fearing punishment. I guess it was a pre existing dormant state of trauma. We have come a long way in understanding the brain and reactions to trauma, but I think there is still so much that is unknown. Even before accident, I was on anti depressants for dysthymia. (mostly due to marital situation and mean daughter) After accident, they no longer worked. I can see how it can lie dorment, particularly depending on ones temperment, individual situation, coping mechanisms, attitude about life and the world, spirituality and other things. One last straw can break the camels back. The accident started my memories, but the cop made it full blown. (physical pain, nightmares, SI for the first time ever, flashbacks,panic attack first time ever, hopelessness, foreshortened future) 2 weeks later and accidental overdose, 6 months later a suicide attempt. Never the same since.

I know that we are all different and just have to keep plugging along and convince ourselves that this can get better. Others have become better and functional again.
 
Thanks so much for your kind words and thoughtfulness, Abstract. I'm really only at the beginning of my journey, I'm forced to admit, and not only in need of educating myself as to the particulars of diagnoses-but isolated due to a rural location, as well as my symptoms-and without support of family (that would be an understatement, in fact). Kindness and concern are exactly what I need right now. Thanks again.
 
Abstract-
I did want to add, by the way, that while I understand that the purpose of your msg was one of comfort and hope-that my history does, in fact, include a number of the items in Criterion A: Expectation of imminent death, including physical attack (choked unconscious-expectation of death), as well as sexual abuse. Thanks for the links. While I've been diagnosed, I hadn't read the DSM version.
 
Promicarus, I just wanted to say that it is not unusual for to think we are dealing with stressers or even traumas and then for a delayed reaction as well. I am glad that you have joined the forum and appreciate your posts and support here as well. I understand the lack of family support and hope that you find lots of information here, but mostly the support and understanding, kindness and concern that you do need on your journey. I am always here to listen, and I know that many others are as well. (((gentle hugs))) if acceptable
 
No offense but you all hijacked Gophers thread and made it your own. Half of the thread is a conversation not even relating to the original poster. (No wonder I was confused when I came back!)
 
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