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This Therapy Paradox Drives Me Frikkin Nuts.

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Klo

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Okay, fair warning, this is a rant. And when I get into this ranting state of mind, I don't always make sense, sometimes it's just a bunch of compacted frustration and confusion. BUT

I was abused by my parents. My mother continues to be emotionally and mentally abusive and manipulative at times, although I also think in some ways she has mellowed out in her age now. My father was physically and sexually abusive.

But something I have run into with multiple therapists is this totally jacked up double-message that goes basically like this:

1. It's not your parents fault that they acted that way.
2. You can change.

Whenever I run into this paradox in therapy, it just makes me want to throw a chair through the window.

Here are my problems with it:

First of all, I think that's often how abuse gets perpetuated in families. Children naturally want to love their parents and see their parents as good, and so will often try to justify or excuse their parents' abusive behaviors. This creates the notion in the child's mind that abuse can be justified or excused. It might not be apparent, it might be some subtle thing buried in the subconscious mind, but the notion is there. As an adult, that child might try to be a good person, but that notion will still be with them, as it has been with them their entire life, and that notion can taint everything from the treacherous depths of their subconscious mind. Trying to fight against it without understanding what they are up against will likely lead to cognitive dissonance issues. I think that when it comes to stopping the abuse cycle in families, it is basically ESSENTIAL that there are NO double-standards for the survivor and their parents (or whoever it was). Abuse is never justifiable, it is never excusable. Period. And if that means you need to acknowledge that one or more of your caregivers growing up engaged in behavior that was absolutely inexcusable, then so be it.

Second, you cannot sit there and tell a patient that their parents were never capable of change, self-control, introspection or anything else, but the patient is. Even if it only happens on a subconscious level, no patient is so stupid as to not recognize that you are making no god damned sense. And the actual message that gets conveyed there becomes, "You can't change, you are doomed, you can't help yourself." Which is a load of shit. And once again, if someone tries to actually embrace this paradoxical nonsense, it's probably just going to cause cognitive dissonance problems.

"My father couldn't help the way he acted, because he had a bad childhood. But even though I had a bad childhood, I can control myself and improve as a person."

What are these people even thinking? These are highly intelligent people with freakin masters degrees. How in the world do they not recognize how nonsensical this is.

Now I will try play devil's advocate to the best of my ability. Maybe the angle they are taking is that previous generations didn't have as much easy access to mental health care.

Well sorry but NOPE, doesn't fly. Because I didn't get any help for YEARS, and I still never assaulted anyone or tried to mentally abuse someone into the ground. And my childhood was significantly WORSE than at least one of my parents, as far as I know. The other's may have actually been just bad, though.

What I have done is hurt some people at times without realizing it or wanting to. BUT I DID. I hurt some people emotionally because I have issues. And it's NOT OKAY. My bad childhood is not an excuse for it. It sure as hell doesn't mean that it's okay for me to keep my head in the sand and just charge forward in life not giving a damn if I hurt people. Not only is it not okay, but I can CHANGE. In fact, I have changed over the years, slowly but surely, while trying to be as mindful as possible and learn from my screw-ups. I have even apologized to people and validated them as far as how they had every right to be upset, because I acted like an assmonkey.

And I want to change even more. But sometimes that feels extra difficult, when I have therapists who make no freakin sense and act more concerned about excusing nd white knighting my parents than helping me heal.

Okay rant over.
 
Whew @Klo, I feel better too, so you did good. I have often wondered that myself. Both of my parents were abusive, it stopped with my mom when I was 14 and stood up to her...At least physically she never raised a hand to me again. The old man. a long long story.
The old man was even helped , by me, to do something about his depression... until we got in the Dr's office and he changed his mind... so ya, why do they have the excuse.. I get it that we can't change them, I wouldn't touch that with someone else's hands !!!! But to be told they did what they did, now YOU need to get healthy... so thanks for the rant.... You put into words what I didn't know I needed to say... Thanks....
 
If a therapist told me my parents could not help themselves? I would say they were full of shit...and here is WHY:

Neither of my parents hit me in public. Neither of my parents screamed at me in public.

Dad was careful to conceal his sexual abuse from mom and everyone else who would have busted him...(obviously not the guys he rented me to)

If they have enough self-control to hide the abuse that they are doing to someone around other people, then they have enough control not to do it at all.

That means, on some level ( even if subconsciously ) abusers give themselves permission to do what they want.

I mean, how come child abusers don't pound the crap out of their work supervisors instead of their kids?

...I hold myself responsible for my own shitty behavior.
If I don't I am giving away control to others...and it's a DAMNED LIE!

I have far more control over my reactions than anyone else.
I have the responsibility ( ability to respond ) to my own bad behavior...to make amends, to quit acting like that.

Abusers can choose not to abuse....that they choose to drop control and lash out is a moral failure.
It's not a failure to control anger, it's choosing to drop control.

Yes, I would agree abusers do not often know better ways to manage their feelings...but they can LEARN them like you and I are!

They just don't care enough not to use the people who love and trust them as human punching bags!
 
You have made an excellent point, I too was abused by both parents. Yes, it was all done out of sight of others, so they knew damn fine what they were doing was wrong. And therefore they could have and should have controlled themselves. One of the things I thought when therapists told me my parents couldn't help the way they acted was that the therapist knows those people will never change, they have no interest in changing, they like the power, control, etc and therefore only I can do something about the effects they had on me. Epically unfair.
 
I definitely get that it's not fair. But the thing that lights a fire under my butt the most is the implication that people with bad childhoods can't control themselves or change. If I accept that, then I would have to simultaneously accept that I can't control myself or change, either. And I will never accept that. So therefore I can't accept the notion that my parents couldn't help themselves. I don't even care if it makes me into some bitter, angry person, as long as I'm not a monster.
 
So then there is this angle.

What if I am just for whatever dumb mysterious reasons just significantly psychologically stronger than almost everyone in my entire family. I had a therapist propose this idea once. She called it psychological resilience and said that mine was extremely high.

I think this theory does highlight a sort of self-righteous vindictive streak in me, but in a weird sort of way. Because at first I immediately rebuffed the idea, it just ticked me off. I felt like she was hoping that she could get me to not hold my parents accountable by stroking my ego or something.

But then after that initial reaction, over the course of several days, I realized that I actually just resent it. That is why it ticked me off so much. I felt like she was trying to take some seriously unhealthy coping method and make it out to be a good thing. Or even like she was trying to make the argument that my parents made me stronger by abusing me. And then that just set me right off.

"Strong" people in the sense that she was implying, are not actually strong. They have just been shoved so far for so long, that they were shoved right through to the other side. That is what that is.

You know how being "strong" helps you in life? It doesn't. Strong people don't seem to need any help, so they don't get it. Strong people never stand up for themselves. Strong people don't process anything. Strong people eventually don't even exist anymore.

You know what is strategic? You know how nature really intended for things to be? Being weak. Weak people blatantly need help because they are having complete freaking meltdowns. Weak people lose their shit and go off on you if you push them over the edge. Strong people don't even have an edge. Weak people exist, in all of their writhing, emotionally vomiting, jacked up glory. Weak people are humans, and they actually exist.

I was strong, sure. Strong enough to keep all the secrets, strong enough to be parentified and handle it like a champ. Strong enough to not it let show for a long time. Strong enough to not need anyone to notice it, anyway.

Being strong ####ing sucks. It's not something feel great about. It doesn't pay off. And all the people you are "strong" for, are not going to be there for you when your armor breaks.

So I still think her way of looking at things was ass-backwards. You want to know strength actually is? It's being a god damned human. That crap is hard.
 
And the BEST part of all of this, is that I haven't felt this ticked off or thought about these things so much in a long time, which means that my therapist today in our appointment, must have done a GOOD job. In all seriousness. And I have the privilege of realizing it after I have raged through multiple posts. Massive sigh.
 
Being strong !!! And you said it all. No one around me seems to think I ever have a 'need' or 'want'... I so totally relate to your last post. You described me and my life. So neither of us are alone... and your right, being strong sucks.... but being human is so much better. Hang in there, and T's don't know everything.. far from it.
 
You are putting into words everything I struggle to explain, I totally agree with you, my mother actually used the S word when I was little, "you're so strong". Fuming right now.
 
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