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Are Anxiety & Depression Bad Habits?

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Joie

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Here's something I'd like to discuss: I've recently been interested in therapeutic approaches to anxiety and depression that suggest both can be habits we turn to for protection (and as a learned behavior)--largely in times of emotional overwhelm. And that if we give permission for the emotions to surface in a compassionate way, the brain can re-wire to experience them in a circumstances that don't overwhelm. The argument is that anxiety and depression are, in some sense, each a trance we take up subconsciously to distract or dissociate or defend ourselves from frightening sensate experiences. But trances that are actually far more painful than feeling the emotion of fear. This can happen when our bodies are triggered by a stimuli that bolts us into emotional memory (not necessarily a visual or ruminative story line) AND that automatically catapults us into flight, fight, freeze, fawn. It's been suggested the four F's are the habits of escape from subliminal and overt fears from our inner critics and others (not being lovable, not being good enough, at fault, shame, danger, annihilation, invasion and more): learned responses to traumatic and troubling situations. It's argued that until we see the 'story-telling' we create, the lockdown and the rumination, we will never be free. Until we stop resisting the trapped emotions seeking to be seen and let them surface through grief or whatever, we'll continue on a hamster wheel of the protective (albeit painful) habits of depression and anxiety. That both give us a false sense of control which our subconscious thinks will protect us (as we will never really have control, that's also a trance).

Meditation is suggested as a tool for building a sense of safety and self protection that doesn't block emotions. Meditation gives the opportunity to learn NOT to abandon ourselves when in trauma. Over time I've found it transformative with anxiety and depression. I notice my resistance or judging or the many ways I try to manipulate with thoughts and stoires (he said, she said) to avoid upsetting feelings. I initially found myself resistant to meditation precisely because my agitation re: sitting was also a learned and distracting habit of my anxiety. For others it might be addictions. It was like I was sabotaging and abandoning myself purely out of social or familial habits that no longer suited me (don't cry, act tough etc.). It was like I'd been hitting my head against a wall for years to cure a headache and suddenly didn't have to anymore. The relief was immense. Now I can even thank my anxiety when it appears, thank it for trying to protect me all though childhood and beyond. I'd be interested in other views on this theory re: anxiety and depression being habits and whether others have found meditation so powerful...
 
Some resources the you might like. I have found Mindfulness very helpful and have used all the resources below extensively.

Read David Burn's "Feeling Good" - busting those ten major cognitive distortions helps - thread on this forum.

Kristin Neff's work on Self Compassion - her meditations are free on her website - some threads on her work on this website.

Link Removed Perth Meditation Centre could be right up your ally. Free mp3s available as well. Breaks apart the physiological side of things. I have been looking at this one on and off and I am now using it more.

The Mindful Way Through Depression - has all the depressive ways of thinking and breaks them down. I have the audiobook. I play it every night when I got to sleep. I have been doing all these mediations for some time now.

The Mindful Way Through Anxiety - half way through reading - profound, like the above book.

The 8 week Mindfulness Based Stressed Reduction course is well worth doing. We have done it quite a few times as a group on this forum as a private challenge.

DBT - Marsha Linehan - Mindfulness is a major part of it.

Good luck!
 
Thanks...I've been doing twice daily x 60 minute meditation/mindfulness sessions for some time, know Christine Kneff and the others work. As part of my own path and quite awhile back I did an MBSR course. I began the thread because I'm interested in other's experience. I began meditation because of an old habit of anxiety and rumination. I was interested in starting a discussion here about whether other people on this site see anxiety and depression in ways similar to what I've encountered. It's been life transforming to realize the habits of trance and how we can perpetuate pain without mindfulness--as well as learning the tools that help out of that maze. Hard work but well worth it.
 
My T likes to say that both depression and anxiety are not "things" they are "processes". It bothers him to hear people say that they "have" depression". He says you can experience depression , but you can't "have" it in the same sense as you can "have" measles or polio because it isn't actually a real "thing". Is this similar to what you're talking about?
 
I'm familiar with people saying they 'have' either anxiety or depression but you are right, they are experiences in the same way rain or lightening can roll past us. Neither rain nor lighting are at fault any more than depression or anxiety, they are just experiences. But some may feel sad when rain comes or fearful when lightning flashes. But again, I'm more interested in the habitual nature of anxiety and depression and that sense of 'trance': that we've learned anxiety and depression are tools/protections to run away from or shut down from trauma (the result of mirroring social conditioning). And that until we learn to feel the emotions rather than dissociate from them through anxiety and depression, we will never find equanimity?
 
He says you can experience depression , but you can't "have" it in the same sense as you can "have" measles or polio because it isn't actually a real "thing". Is this similar to what you're talking about?
He is confusing two different types of depression. Situational depression and depression that come as a result of an illness in the organ known as the brain.

I do not believe anxiety is a form of dissociation. I think what you are saying can apply to dissociation, and there may be a far reaching possibility for depression. I just have to disagree that anxiety is a form of escapism or a habit. I wish what you were saying was true, I think it would be preferable as it provides a better solution.

I find my experiences with anxiety to be quite the opposite of what you say. It's working for you and that is awesome, but the premise is incorrect for at least my brand of anxiety and therefore the solution wouldn't even be something I could attempt even if I wanted. too.

But trances that are actually far more painful than feeling the emotion of fear.
No, not for me it isn't. Anxiety is fear but fear it's self, that horrible sickening fear... I fear fear above all else.
 
I've only been meditating regularly since November and have noticed great benefits. But I am very much a beginner and still struggle a he'll of a lot.

My favourite way of dealing with overwhelming feelings (when I catch myself in time), is as Pema Chodron says "Drop the story, go to the body"

When I do that, and just feel whatever comes up, the feeling passes fairly quickly and thoroughly.

I like the idea of depression n anxiety being trances we take up to protect ourselves. Though i cant say ive come across the idea begore or givn it any rigorous thought.

I've recently come out of a bout of depression and have noticed a few times in the past couple days wanting to slide back into the familiar.... what? Comfort of depression?

Look forward to seeing what others have to say.
 
He is confusing two different types of depression. Situational depression and depression that come as a result of an illness in the organ known as the brain.
I'm honestly not sure he's confusing anything. He wasn't really talking about the CAUSE of the depression, he was more talking about the nature of depression.

He's really big on the importance of language and precision in the use of words. We haven't really talked about this particular topic much. When he started in on it (and I no longer remember WHY he started in on it) I kind of took it as "him" doing what he does with words. But, I CAN see a subtle difference in thinking about depression as being a "thing" that you "have" and a thing that you "experience. He wasn't trying to say it's not real, or serious, or anything like that. Just that, the way he sees it, it's something a person experiences rather than has.

The more I think about this, I have a real strong tendency to not notice "feelings". He's forever trying to get me to identify nouns and adjectives when it comes to "feelings". ("A noun is something you can put in a wheelbarrow." LOL) He might have been talking about this in that context and it's possible he'd have gone a totally different direction with someone else. Like I said, I no longer remember why it came up at all. Just that I think he'd said that not too long before the original post.
 
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