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Relationship How Much To Help Ex With Gambling Addiction

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PreciousChild

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Hello. I don't usually post here, but would really appreciate some advice.

My ex and father of my son calls me all the time, dropping some bad news and problems expecting me to help him. I am so conflicted because I want to help him stabilize for the sake of my son, but at the same time I am full of rage because he often goes on gambling binges and will disappear from my son's life for days, weeks, months at a time, and he's spent all the child support gambling and can go months without giving me a dime. I am his only friend, basically, so he still calls.

I am a sufferer of developmental ptsd, and so is my ex, who is also a compulsive gambler. I've done a lot of work to get myself help, like go to therapy, read books on ptsd, meditate, etc. My ex does none of those and acts like he's given up. We divorced a decade ago because he was gambling away the mortgage. I left him when my son was less than 2. I was desperate and scared. Ten years later, my ex still wreaks havoc on my life. Since I need his financial help (I work full time and provide the lion's share of support for my son, but my son has special needs and requires therapies and services), and I want him to have a relationship with my son. So I do all sorts of things for my ex that I'm getting sick of and don't want to do anymore.

I've driven him to gambler's anonymous, searched for therapists, and given him resources. He says he wants the help but then does nothing to follow up. Last night, I spent half an hour on the phone on a tirade about how angry I am that he has all these problems that he's willing to do nothing about. My son couldn't hear the words, but heard me yell at his dad for half an hour. I'm feeling sick with guilt. I try not to become angry in front of my son.

At this point, my ex is the single most destabilizing and triggering figure in my life. I sacrificed my childhood to a narcissistic father who pretty much treated me like a slave, and would punish me severely for any hint of disobedience. I seem to be repeating that with my ex. I want to just walk away, but I still need his financial support and I want him to have a relationship with his son and they seem to have a cordial if not deep bond. My son does need his dad. In the past, his dad wasn't always around, which caused in my son depression. He's resolved that now, but every child needs a father.

I need to focus on myself. I never got remarried because I feel that I've been so busy trying to establish a stable job, take care of a special needs child, and struggling with a chaotic ex who doesn't even want to get better despite acknowledging he hates himself and life. My own ptsd obscures what exactly my role is in the situation. Thanks so much for any thoughts.
 
I wrote out a long reply, but the site went down at someone point so when I hit post reply, it didn't go though. Long story short, you can't help someone who doesn't want help. He has to want it, no external source can change that.

Can you have his wages garnished?
 
Can you have his wages garnished?

Yes, and I do, but he gets commissions too, and they are more than his base pay, and it can't be predicted. So I'm at his mercy, and I'm often disappointed. But at least I do get a basic regular amount.

Thanks for trying. I wish I could have read what you wrote! I do need to realize that I can't help someone who won't help himself.I just feel like I can make it just a little better for my son if I can just take it for a few more years and just deal with getting triggered until my son is at a point when he's totally independent.
 
I think your son needs you to take of you too. His dad may be seeing him more now, but he has proven to be a flake, so your son needs you to take care of yourself so you can be there for him emotionally the next time his dad lets him down. You sound like a great mom, you should have to "deal with being triggered." I am sorry that you are going through that.
 
First you do need to focus and take care of yourself. I have been going to Al Anon because my ex was a workaholic and I was emotionally neglected and abused. Now I am dating an Alcoholic that has been sober 30 yrs. I didn't know he was an Alcoholic when I met him but he has always been honest with me about his past.

Al-Anon has helped me be able to get on with my life. I was having some difficulties with my boyfriend but I had to realize I cannot fix him nor control him. The only person I can help is myself and that is a day by day full time job. I don't know what I would do without my Al Anon group that meets twice a week. It is helping restore some peace and purpose back in my life when I couldn't see what my future was going to be.

I know it must be so hard what you are going through but you are not alone. Even though he gambles an Al-Anon group would still be supportive and welcome you as they did me. The time we spend together is encouraging each other on how to get our lives back into control so it doesn't matter what kind of addiction has affected you.

I hope you will consider looking for a meeting in your area. I wish you some peace in your life.
 
Thanks for your reply, catlover. I think that's good advice, and I thought about doing just that (except I was considering gam anon). After calling around, I got a call back from someone from gambler's anonymous. I must have called the wrong hotline. He asked me if he could help, and I told him about my problem and asked if he would recommend I go to gam anon. He was torn because on the one hand, I have a son with my ex. On the other hand, we're divorced. Ultimately, he thought I should move on with my life (he's married with two tween kids). If you're boyfriend was not an alcoholic or was not in your life, would you still go to al anon just for your ex, do you think? I do think that the same principles apply to me as an ex. But mostly I want to move on with my life. Maybe I can't do that because of our son.
 
Thanks for your reply, catlover. I think that's good advice, and I thought about doing just that (...

So let me get it right. The guy on the phone told you to move on with your life. That is for you to decide and work through. I believe my ex has the same disease because his Dad was an alcoholic. He just 'uses' a different drug. It took me about a year getting away from him for it to finally hit me that he really is a sick individual and how bad it affected me. Just because I was divorced from him and away from him didn't mean my problems ended. In fact they started feeling worse as much of the repressed pain and resentment came out over time. Yes hopefully if I had not met my boyfriend I would have found out about Al-Anon and eventually I think I would have gone to the meetings. I have been to counseling about every 3 wks for more than a year but it is much better to be with people that are going through and have been through some of the same stuff you have.

Actually it was on this forum that someone said it helped when they went to an Al-Anon meeting. Also because I know how much working the AA program saved my boyfriend's life. So I thought about some difficulties going on with my boyfriend but really my life was getting no where. I felt stuck and didn't understand why. I called and found a meeting in my area.

It would be harder to break away from your ex because you want him to be a part of your son's life. But your ex has to make the decision to straighten himself out. Until he hits that low point of rock bottom then he won't seek help. I'm sure it is hard to sit back and not help him but sometimes that is what it takes for them to get to the point where they realize they need help.

There is a great blog I read sometimes. The lady ended up dying of cancer but it is so encouraging to read. It would apply to anyone that has been through your's or mine situations. Its called 'Through An Al-Anon Filter". It is divided into topics on the right like "Detachment, resentment, gratitude, letting go, etc." Some really helpful things to read.

Hope things get better for you.
 
Thanks, Catlover. I checked out the blog really quickly, and in a short time read some stuff that I can totally relate to. I understand what you're saying. I was wondering if gam anon would help me because if I have to interact with my ex, which seems inevitable because of my son, they could probably help me keep perspective. The blog is really helpful. Thanks.
 
Glad you like the blog. I need to get back to reading it myself.

My situation is different because I am not living with or dealing with an active alcoholic or addicted ex. But I think gam anon should help you because you would hear the stories like I do of how they are dealing with their mothers or friends or spouses that are still drinking/addicted and how they cope with it and learn to detach from a situation when needed.
 
Oh and I just thought about this but my boyfriend has gotten into gambling. Well I live in Texas and he does what are called 'Scratch offs' you can buy usually at convenience stores. He probably does up to 10 a day. Technically if you asked someone in AA or Al Anon they would not consider him 'sober' really if he is participating in something like this. He compares it to the Stock Market. He says it is no different. After we dated a few months I talked to him about it but I knew and know I have learned through going to Al Anon that there is nothing I can say to him. He was in AA for 10 yrs. Eventually he may get to the point that he knows he is playing with 'fire' .
 
Oh yeah, lottery is a definite no-no. My ex did go through outpatient treatment years ago, and I went to every one with him. I thought that the lottery was only off-limits to gamblers, but I guess it applies to other addicts as well. After some brushes with compulsive gambling that were very scary, we went through a time when he was gambling away every pay check for 2months straight, one week at a time, until he had absolutely nothing. I was so shocked that he continued that behavior even after the first time. I kept saying, it is impossible he'd do it yet another week. After 7 more weeks, even I couldn't go any further. That's when my ex agreed to treatment. I guess he was concerned about losing me. He started up again when my son was a newborn. It seemed to me he knew I was stuck.

I think you're right. A part of me doesn't want to spend any more time dealing with his problems. But the fact is that I am now part of the problem for myself. I need perspective.

I hope your boyfriend sees what he's doing and decides to stop on his own.
 
The bad thing is my boyfriend basically wins most of the time he does the 'Scratch offs'. He has told me that if he stopped winning he would quit which I doubt it. I was there Sat. night and I think that day he had won $350 off of 10 or so cards that he probably paid $100-$150 for. He thinks its ok and calls it just his little 'vice' because he has given up so much that I guess he thinks he deserves some fun.

Yeah, addicts of any kind can become addicted to many different things. They could get off of Alcohol and become workaholics, become addicted to porn etc. It's in their nature to overdo anything even eating. He seems to try and have control over it. There are so many Anonymous groups now and they all go back to the same basic principle. My boyfriend describes it as Alcohol is not the problem it's the 'isms' with someone with Alcoholism. So for him yes he is sober but his 'isms' still need work but he won't go back to AA meetings. He can 'talk' the program great but living it is another story. But I shouldn't come down so hard on him. He is dealing with ptsd, he was also addicted to Valium and he smoked, nearly died and got off all of it. He is in a very small percentage that remain sober 30 yrs so he is doing something right. And I try to hang in there.
 
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