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If this is a distortion which is it?

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FauxLiz

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As part of battling my serious SI urges recently I am attempting to challenge some of the thinking that goes along with the urges. Primarily that my children would be fine if not better off without me in their lives. They both have sets of surrogate parents that have stepped in many times when I have been either through work, distance or PTSD unable to assist or be there for them. My previous T for years has tried to disabuse me of this idea as is my current T but as much as I love my kids I want what is best for them and I truly don't believe that is me.

I don't know if any of this makes sense and it is harder to believe it is a distortion now that my youngest is in college and I feel completely unnecessary.
 
I love my kids I want what is best for them and I truly don't believe that is me.
The worst calls I took in my career at 911 invovled children who found a dead parent. They were never "supposed" to be the one that found them. But.
The kids ALWAYS blamed themselves. ALWAYS.
There is no getting around it.
And it wasn't uncommon to have the kids kill themselves too -- often on the anniversary of the parents death. Because if they weren't worth mom or dad living for, what did their lives mean to anyone?

ETA -- the age of the kid didn't matter -- I talked to ones from 9 to 59. Same results each time
 
I can speak to this as I too struggle with the idea that not being here is better than being here. i have two that are in their twenties. How would they fair without me in natural death? Pretty rough for them both. If I took my life it would be world shattering for them in many respects that natural death would not be able to compare. The reason is, they know my struggles, not intimately, but they do know. If they saw that I gave up and decided it wasn't worth it, they would struggle with the idea that they too were not worth it. Whether I've done great or poorly as their mother, I still am their mother. I want to keep working on my stuff, because even when it gets really tough, there is still hope. I'm learning to ride out the moments that are tough, because my psychologist has taught me to watch. Watch and notice that it can go from very bad, to not so bad, maybe back to horrible then up all the way to its alright. It changes, I need to get through those moments and watch for the despair to change. Challenge your thinking maybe in a fresh way. That would be, you honestly dont know how valuable you are to your children so dont put a test in their path that would cause them harm by your choice. Its how we live as parents anyway, isnt it. We dont put them in harms way just to see how they make out. So when it comes to whether you would be better off gone and so would they, the challenge is to understand, you dont actually know and if it will bring harm to them in any way, would you consider alternative structures to your life plan? Such as I do have work to do and until natural death sends me out of this world I'll do the best I can.
 
@Freida thank you for the reply, you are telling me the same thing I have heard for years I guess I just struggle with understanding it. My mother died 4 years ago, it is a struggle to have a five minute conversation with my dad and I don't feel really any connection/loss most likely to everything that happened to my as a child at their hands and others without their protection.

@Teamwork
you honestly dont know how valuable you are to your children so dont put a test in their path that would cause them harm by your choice.
this is a good point I have always sworn to myself that I would do more/better what ever that meant for my kids. And finding the ups and downs might be what I need to do perhaps visually tracking the feelings from the lowest lows to the highs in some way that I can see that I don't always feel this way.
 
One of the best counters to that line of thought is fairly simple... reverse it.

Would you be better off if your kids committed suicide?

Similarly, you can look at each of the distortions below & reverse them to see if your logic holds water.

- Mom would be fine, if not better off.
- Mom has surrogate kids in her life, good kids, that deserve to be loved and sent to college and cared for. She doesn’t need me to be the one she loves on.
- I’m just a burden, Imwant her to have kids she can be proud of, the best kids. Not me.
Etc.

Hint : That’s not the same! = "Disqualifying the Positive” (insisting they don’t count for whatever specious reason)

It’s exactly the same. You don’t get to decide that they’d be better off with you dead, the same way they don’t get to decide how you feel about their deaths (or their lives).

As parents it’s very natural to overreach, because we spend years deciding (and agonizing over) what’s best for our kids. But that doesn’t mean we can actually exert godlike influence over their hearts/minds/futures and not only dictate what they think, how they feel, but also what their future will be. You know this. You can send them to the best schools, and that doesn’t guarantee an A, or a popular kid, or an athlete. No matter how much you set them up for success, you can’t make success happen just by wanting it. So... why would the rules suddenly change and all you have to do is want it, for suicide to be any different?

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As to which cognitive distortions are involved? Just from the paragraph in your OP (and I’m fairly certain there’s more, also being a mom)

- MASSIVE Minimizing (they’d be fine, if not better off)
- Mind Reading (deciding how they’d think & feel about your suicide)
- Disqualifying the positive (you don’t count, they have surrogate parents // ditto not seeing the positive in looking for reasons to justify
- Emotional Reasoning (feeling they’d be better off, feeling unnecessary. // I feel it, must be true.)
- Labeling (I want what is best ie NOT me)

Should be noted here... there are dozens and dozens of cognitive distortions.
The top 10 are just that.
The 10 primary cognitive distortions are:
  1. All or nothing thinking -- You see things in black and white categories. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.
  2. Over-generalization -- You see a single negative event as a never-ending pattern of defeat.
  3. Mental filter -- You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it so exclusively that your vision of all reality becomes darkened, like the drop of ink that colors the entire beaker of water.
  4. Disqualifying the positive -- You reject positive experiences by insisting they "don't count" for some reason or other. In this way you can maintain a negative belief that is contradicted by your everyday experiences.
  5. Jumping to conclusions -- You make a negative interpretation even though there are no definite facts that convincingly support your conclusion. (Involves mind-reading and fortune-telling.)
  6. Magnification and minimization -- You exaggerate the importance of things, or you inappropriately shrink things until they appear tiny.
  7. Emotional reasoning -- You assume that your emotions necessarily reflect the way things really are, as in "I feel it, therefore it must be true."
  8. Should statements -- You try to motivate yourself with "should" and "should not," as if you have to be whipped and punished before you could be expected to do anything.
  9. Labeling and mislabeling -- This is an extreme form of overgeneralization. Instead of describing your error, you attach a negative label to yourself.
  10. Personalization -- You see yourself as the cause of some negative external event which, in fact, you were not primarily responsible for.
 
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My mother died 4 years ago, it is a struggle to have a five minute conversation with my dad and I don't feel really any connection/loss most likely to everything that happened to my as a child at their hands and others without their protection.

@FauxLiz that is not your children's experience with you though (to your credit). :hug:

Because you don't feel grief if you were gone, doesn't mean they wouldn't. In fact, I've heard it said, if you couldn't swim and someone told you your child was going to drown in 2 weeks, wouldn't you spend those 2 weeks desperately trying to become the best swimmer ever?

Would you be better off if your kids committed suicide?
Similarly, you can look at each of the distortions below & reverse them to see if your logic holds water.

- Mom would be fine, if not better off.
- Mom has surrogate kids in her life, good kids, that deserve to be loved and sent to college and cared for. She doesn’t need me to be the one she loves on.
- I’m just a burden...

This says everything. ^^^
 
I have been either through work, distance or PTSD unable to assist or be there for them.

^^So similar in circumstance to me it's scary @FauxLiz and I have concluded that when the chips are really down they need ME!

I think you will find that they will gravitate to you as they get older and need that blood connection - not just the in-laws etc., You have so much they still need and want from you and most of it is really good stuff. Don't miss out on it after doing all the hard work!
 
My mom died several years ago but my dad is still living. He is not mentally well. Often times he throws in the "I will kill myself" line and I can tell you that more than anything I wish, pray, hope for my dad to work on getting healthy so I could have him in my life. Do I NEED him? No. Do I WANT him. Hell yes. Your kids WANT you and the second you start looking at it as a want versus a need you can't deny the work you MUST do so that you can be a functional part of their life. We don't NEED anyone to exist. But there are a lot of people I want to have in my life. I don't mean for this to sound ugly at all but I tell my dad this, "get your shit together...we have a whole lot of life to live." Unfortunately he is a desperate alcoholic too so that weighs heavily on his ability to function and he is very old and has some likely stroke issues that make him unable to see things clearly. However, you sound healthy so now you have a perspective of what your kids may be thinking. Good luck. Sending strength.
 
It’s faulty logic thinking that kids can get the exact same kind of parental love through a surrogate.

They can’t.

You only get one mom and one dad (or whatever combinations of mom/mom, dad/dad, etc) and there is NO going out there and finding that love from someone else.

It just. Can’t. Happen.

Why are there so many of us who put up with abusive parents until the day they die at a ripe old age? Because children ALWAYS seek that parental love that can’t be found anywhere else, only poorly approximated.

I’m not saying you are abusive. I AM saying that your kids aren’t ever going to have the same kind of parental love from anyone else.
 
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