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[Charbella]

Thanks for everyone's opinions/Thoughts I still respectfully disagree and maintain my original point. You can 100% die from your emotions! I almost did twice!
[Reference to OPs other thread removed]

I almost lost myself and trust me this is dying, you don't wake up.

I’m not sure why you bothered asking if you weren’t open to others thoughts.

I’ve attempted twice so I can agree 100% with you that it does FEEL that way, but factually speaking it isn’t. A gun might kill you, a handful of pills might kill you, blood loss might kill you, but your feelings won’t. Your feelings might cause you to think the only way out is to take a handful of pills, shoot yourself, or slit your wrists.

I think it’s fine to disagree both here and with your therapist but you should be able to see others point of view even if you don’t agree with it.

In the thick of your feelings it of course feels like they’re wrong but if things settle you can see they’re also right.

If when you’re suicidal your therapist doesn’t take the hardline that feelings don’t cause death, you might seek a new one. Otherwise they’re giving you permission to do it because of course you feel that way.

 

[Weemie]

I don't like being told by those that haven't experienced it

No one, including you, has experienced this. No one has experienced having an emotion that then caused their death, because it isn't physically possible. That you refuse to believe in basic medical science is your prerogative. This statement, however, I do take issue with. You seem to be implying that no one here has ever felt immense suffering, which is frankly silly given where you are.

This is a PTSD forum. A majority of the people here are very much familiar with the concept of emotional pain. While your suffering is undoubtedly more important to you than anything else, it isn't actually any more meaningful than anyone else's. You have no idea who you are speaking with here, or what their experiences are, or what they've endured over the course of their lives.

I have PTSD with Secondary Psychosis and SZPD, from things that actually can cause death. The shit you are talking about? I have first-hand experience of similar events, as well. But much like you, I am still alive, because panic attacks are not fatal. And if I were less cognitively sound, I might take someone like you at their word, and start going around saying I have a fatal illness, too.

This is why it's important to curate mental health spaces, to filter out what is science from what is opinion. This is your opinion, but do not mistake it for a fact. And it's just common respect not to walk into a place and start claiming no one could possibly understand what it means to... be psychotic. Or feel pain. Which are statements bordering on absurdity, to be honest.

 

[_-yeah_nah-_]

What combination of meds have helped you? Can you describe how they've helped, for example with symptoms?

So this is not medical advice. See your Drs for that.

I have
cPTSD with Severe Anxiety + depression + Panic attacks

I'm on

*Venlafaxine, the absolute Max dose, see your psychiatrist for more info.
Helps with the anxiety, panic attacks, + depression

*Sodium valproate <- saved my life with the seizures

Relatively new one
Risperidone < I'm not convinced with this one, really affects your thoughts. Makes it very hard to focus.
I definitely am feeling more suicidal on it, than off it.
Am looking to review this one with my psychiatrist soon.

*Medical cannabis.
Helps with the anxiety, panic attacks, + depression

When really bad, i was also on high doses of

*Quetiapine

*Valium

*Olanzopine

 

[Rose White]

I almost lost myself and trust me this is dying, you don't wake up.

Sounds like you are using the word dying as a metaphor here.

Outside that. I know that I'm right, I went through it.

I think that would make you a ghost if you went through it. Ghosts still deserve to process their traumas though! I learned that from Dr. Catalyst (thanks to @littleoc ! )

 

[anthony]

The pharmaceutical cocktails are often worse in treating mental health from my experience. The faster you can get away from them, often the better for healing.

 

[_-yeah_nah-_]

Hmm, okay, but that's a) not really PTSD related, I think and b) sounds more like it has to do with psychosis, and a quite extreme subset of that, or maybe c) something like autism where signals are not being processed by your brain in the "usual" way. And that means you're dealing with the extremes of things, that 99.9 % of normal life's stuff (including the more run of the mill mental health issues) won't be affected by.

I guess by that definition, yes, it's possible for a feeling (however we would define that on a brain chemistry level) to lead to an outcome where the person experiencing that state dies as a result...

But I'm not sure it's very helpful. It's like arguing about "Is it possible to die by having a meteorite land on your head while you are eating strawberry icecream and humming a Beatle's song?" I guess by the extreme definition, yes this is possible, but in terms of real life, it's basically an irrelevant issue that in 99.9% of cases should be discounted as unrealistic and unhelpful.

As for your personal experience of it - I'm sorry you've gone through it. It sounds like an incredibly rare, incredibly distressing experience.

I'm not sure how to work on that in therapy... How to accept and integrate that it's been a part of your life.

But as challenging as it may be to figure out how to come to peace with that experience and finding a way of processing it, I think it's really your best bet.

Finding people - even finding therapists who have any experience in this kind of area is probably difficult. I'd guess a therapist specialised in psychosis would be most likely to "get it".

Not really sure how to work this thread properly yet but your point you said.
(I guess by that definition, yes, it's possible for a feeling (however we would define that on a brain chemistry level) to lead to an outcome where the person experiencing that state dies as a result...

But I'm not sure it's very helpful. It's like arguing about "Is it possible to die by having a meteorite land on your head while you are eating strawberry icecream and humming a Beatle's song?" I guess by the extreme definition, yes this is possible, but in terms of real life, it's basically an irrelevant issue that in 99.9% of cases should be discounted as unrealistic and unhelpful.

As for your personal experience of it - I'm sorry you've gone through it. It sounds like an incredibly rare, incredibly distressing experience.)

My response,

you have no idea. I am really struggling with this as I genuinely have gone through this.

For those that are getting all upset with me.
My response
It was never my intention offend anyone, but if openly discussing my experience upsets you, we'll I'm sorry you're going to get upset and you may as well stop watching this thread now.
I'm happy to discuss this further if anyone needs to. But no I am not discounting anyone's traumas/PTSD or trying to say mine is worse than yours or what ever.
I am simply stating my experience/opinion.
And I am happy to hear other peoples opinions, it just doesn't mean I have to agree with you. You all have made valid points, and I understand why you would think this way. But after going through what I went through I can not + WILL NOT AGREE!
What I experienced will not let me. And really I just want to be heard and I'm starting to want to get really LOUD.

 

[_-yeah_nah-_]

Also science is just a proven opinion.
What I'm sharing with you is my opinion, now if there ever was enough research into this I'm sure what I'm sharing with you now would actually be proven true but again that's my opinion.

 

[anthony]

Take what works for you, ignore the rest. Arguing, getting loud, will cause you issues, not the ones frustrating you. Ignore members and comments that frustrate you, and stick with what you agree with.

 

[_-yeah_nah-_]

Also I asked this question to see if there were actually any peoples here that had experience something like this. Cause if you had you would understand. I am yet to find one.

If there are any out there msg me, I would be interested to speak with you.

 

[Charbella]

If you’re hoping to feel validated, you should state that. If your trying to see if anyone else has experienced it, you should’ve stated that at the beginning.

If you were hoping the masses would just agree with you, your in the wrong forum.

If your just trying to get your thoughts out into the world and don’t want other people’s comments, most of us use the members only section trauma diaries.

Also there isn’t a messaging feature on this site.

 

[abovedown]

Well, given that mental illness is often a terminal disease, for example through suicide or fallout from addiction (eg self-medicating to deal with unbearable feelings) I would say that feelings can and do kill people.

Also, research seems to say loneliness contributes to ill health and early death just as much as smoking does.

I do get what your T is saying tho. I think both perspectives are true, they're just different ways of looking at the issue.

For example, facing your fears head on in exposure therapy will not kill you even if it "feels" like it could.

Maybe unprocessed emotions/trauma can kill if they lead to depression and suicide?