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No, I Did Not Violate Your Boundaries

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This is what I meant, her motives and actions are not conducive of good therapy in this case. so they do not make sense.

I exhaust myself giving the other person chance after chance after chance

FON, you are not there to help her or keep giving her or anyone else more chances than they need, or deserve in some cases.

This does not sound like the only chance you have given her and after all this time she still has not gelled in a way that helps you move forward. No matter how much pushing or ignoring your current boundaries she does.

I am all for encouragement and help but it has to be in a positive way determined by both parties, otherwise it is just directional orders and overtaking behaviour.

Best wishes
Saffy :)
 
Is there any possibility of talking to Mrs W about seeing her again?
I don't know, I haven't contacted her yet.

Before I do, I want to really calm down, clear my head, make an inventory of what has worked for me in the past - as you and others have suggested - and try to get a clearer idea about what I want to achieve in therapy, as I think that my lack of a clear direction might have contributed to the problems with my ex-T.
It is so difficult to make these decisions.
It is! Especially when you have learned to feel responsible for the course of any relationship, and that a failure of a relationship is always a failure of your ability to make it work.
 
Glad to see this thread has calmed down. We all need to remember to respect other opinions and there is no need to get defensive or justify what opinions you have and what you do or do not take on board. Just remember to post when calm and not based on initial reactions if you feel uncomfortable with responses given.

Sometimes it is good to walk away and come back later if someone is

feeling attacked
 
are not conducive of good therapy
Saffy,
Just my opinion but from what I have heard I don't think it sounds like bad practice at all. Just a mismatch and largely probably about approach. Without being there of course. Just my opinion.
I noticed that preface and I didn't feel attacked, it's just... You know, all your concerns are valid, and the points you brought up, and it's like I want to honour your input with more than a 'Thanks, but no thanks' while at the same time I'm so frustrated,
I have to say that this is how I read it. I didn't read it as you saying that anyone was wrong or was saying anything bad and rather read it that you had reached overload on the topic and that anything is tipping you over the edge a bit. From general frustration rather than anger or frustration aimed at anyone. But I could totally see too that it could feel like it was the other if on the receiving end.

It can also be good to have different points of view on a thread. If not for us then for others who feel their situations are similar in some way but who may need to be looking at things differently from what they do.

I shared my experiences
Hi Bloom,
Just wanted to be sure my post didn't read in a way that I didn't intend it to. Written communication can be tricky. You very obviously have achieved a lot in recovery and are always kind a supportive with much to offer. Which you know I am sure, I am sure are told regularly and don't need me to say! ( :p sarcasm aimed at self).

make an inventory of what has worked for me in the past - as you and others have suggested - and try to get a clearer idea about what I want to achieve in therapy
I think that is a great idea. I also wanted to say that it is obvious that you have gained from therapy in the past. That is really good news! It means that you can again. I think as we become clearer it makes it easier.

It might also help to look at what you don't want. What I have tried to look at for me is to look behind the obvious of what seems to not have worked and break it up. Sometimes it isn't quite what it appears to be.

I think feeling that I am not heard is one of mine too and is something you mention.

I don't know if this is a risk for you but once I stopped I struggled to start. If I did it again I would do something as a hold over to keep feeling connected.

I agree that you come across as if you have properly considered what dynamics have caused the issue. That you are not just purely reacting as a pattern of finding things to break it off and therefore protect yourself. I think that's why I did not ask as many questions as usual. I also agree that at this point it is fine to trust yourself and look at what you know and need. I don't see you as going into a therapeutic relationship and not accepting feedback and ideas. Rather that you maybe just need certain things in place and not others.


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Personally I never saw FON as feeling attacked and rather just being frustrated at her situation in general. Very easy for me from the sidelines though! ;):rolleyes:

This thread has been helpful for me too. Still struggling to reconcile all my thoughts about therapy and how it relates to myself and others.
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For example, psychoanalytical and psychodynamic therapy is based on the works of freud. He basis it that behaviour is not within our conscious control.

http://www.counselling-directory.org.uk/psychoanalytical.html

Unlike the humanistic approach, Carl Rogers, which echoes Maslow in regard to self actualizing but works on allowing the client to find his own self worth and esteem.

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Gestault counselling is a directive form based on his findings that think the mind should be formed and shaped.


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The way we progress our selves is entirely individual and some respond more to the more humanistic approach than to the more directive, which is deemed lesser likely to actually work.

These different approaches can mean a huge difference when it comes to the actual therapy. I think anyway.


Oh man Saffy, you just made my heart go pitter patter. Thank you for this clear analysis of the differences. :)

I have to find a non-directive therapist too. Directive people are not so good for me.
 
This post reminds me of a topic, off topic of ptsd.
Over 20 years ago, after the birth of my last child, which I had been rear ended during my forth month of pregnancy, I was exhausted. I do not mean exhausted like we all get tired. I mean I was too tired to sit at the dinner table and eat. It was horrific. Having a 7th grader, and 18 month old, and a week old baby-I was barely surviving. The first primary care provider (PCP) I went to did some labs and said I had elevated lymphocytes and enlarged lymph nodes-for months or years. Further tests did not reveal any serious condition such as cancer. After doing some research, I asked him to test me for Epstein Barr-which was positive and highly elevated. But then I'm told that it really does not mean much.

Being to the point of not being able to drive, I find a doctor with evening hours so husband can take me. Eventually I am diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia. I learn of a support group. I send myself to a counselor because of my frustration and feeling like I am failing at life during the happiest time. Therapist suggests anti depressants. Sends me to psychiatrist and he agrees after 5 minutes. In the support group of about 40 people, not one person admits to any traumatic situations, ugly family stuff, etc, and the group think is attacking the doctors for sending them to counselors and shrinks. They were all very insulted. I also felt defensive. Cant they see I am physically sick-this is not psychological.

Group provided resources for which doctors where good and bad, who was understanding, etc. One particular doctor. was top of the good list. When I asked what he did for patients, all they could really say is that he listened with empathy. The same thing counselors do. This doctor became so popular that people drove hundreds of miles to see him, and he had "special" tests, and quit taking all insurances.

Then some group member found this liquid called KM. Take a spoon full a couple times a day and some saw results. I went to CFIDS groups once a month for years, during which time I went to counseling and was open to the fact that during the calmest and happiest time in ones life, when your body can finally relax after a lifetime of trauma, the body can collapse.

During these years I had repeated sinus infections, was diagnosed with intestinal yeast, had candida couple of times, IBS, migranes, etc. Was diagnosed with herniated disc and stenosis and more. Yes I had plenty wrong, some from physical trauma, some from emotional.

One very holistic therapist said "I understand that you are sick, I just wonder what prevents you from recovering". Wow, that was something to think about. Im not a hypochondriac and at no time was that suggested. Tests revealed abnormalities. It was many years before I began finding material such as "the body bears the burden" and others that indicate that emotional trauma can be triggered by an event or accident. This was the beginning of a more clear understanding.

My point is-we wanted the doctors. to find the root of the illness and cure it. When they failed, we blamed them. They were sending clients to shrinks all along, resentful clients. I continue to go to the same doctor after 22 years. We don't talk a lot about my trauma or anything, but we are on the same page that it exists. He trusts my reports of pain level, ability, etc. He has been there through good and bad health. He knows that if anything, I minimize both physical and emotional pain.

Initially I was not ready to hear what drs were saying-they must be the nutty one wanting to medicate me with anti depressants. We have to be ready to go there, to trust, and only we can decide when. Being upset with the professional is preferable to being upset with self. Its also ok to agree to disagree. We are best one to measure are abilities, and while a little nudge might not hurt, being pushed only causes defensiveness.
 
Hi Brat,

I disagree and don't think the situation that you describe has any real relevance to what has been discussed on this thread.

Your story is a legitimate story and there are issues there that are important to consider but I absolutely disagree that this is what is happening here.

If you had thrown yourself into the group and the therapy with no resistance and tried hard and become more sick as a result over the years; followed by the opposite of what you describe (you describe lack of awareness and understanding); with the awareness that there are future steps that probably need to occur that will be different to what suits you now then that would be much closer.

There is a world of difference between lack of understanding, projection and blame, and learning from long experience, self awareness and self honesty.

I have more to say but haven't the time now.
 
Carl Rogers therapy was often referred to as "paid friend", assuming its a healthy friend. Basically, that is not acceptable with insurance companies-and should not be.

I would like to know who refers to this type of therapy in this way? out of interest.

I think this is just showing ignorance of this type of therapy. I think with any type of therapy the client has to be ready and willing to accept that they want to be counselled.

Some have been directed out of therapy for so long this is part of their problem, they need the chance to work things out for themselves. A non directive method will allow that with encouragement and listening and empathy.

Some have had little direction and been left to work things out by themselves and other factors can have led them in the wrong direction. Therefore a little direction can help set them in the right direction.

People learn about themselves and life in different ways. Other factors must be included in this also. Have basic needs been met? Have there been conditions? and what has been socially accepted in the past?

best wishes
Saffy :)
 
Being upset with the professional is preferable to being upset with self.
This is true. It was a relief to no longer feel forced to seek the reasons for my lack of progress in myself and instead identify the treatment as what it is: Not what I need right now.

I'm glad to hear that you eventually found something that worked for you. I still have to do that. For now I'm content with no longer wasting my energy on things that only hurt me.
 
I suspect the answer to that ,Saffi, is: CBT therapists.


That is what I suspected. That would be very biased towards one area of therapy and quite damaging for those looking for therapy, other than CBT, that could actually really help them.

If that is what CBT therapists spout I would be very wary of trusting them as therapists. That is just my opinion. :)

Best wishes
Saffy
 
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