Reaction v disorder

[Mee]

But the disorder is in the reaction.

You can reframe all you want, but you can’t change this...

Sure I get it.

And no. Quitting meds isn’t an option .

I am liking the injury term in some respects and can understand why there is want to change it (I don’t care about official nomination). I guess with injury it puts ALL the responsibility on professionals to fix and I feel it’s mine to fix; I just don’t feel the ‘disorder’ is useful way of looking at the origin ( as opposed to it being Disordered a reaction) .

Anyway; i’ll Say again; it’s not a debate on naming the thing :). It’s reframing that might help some at some points. It’s working for me today.

 

[Muttly]

This is a discussion that has come up often in the disability community. It's one I've followed through the years. There's the person first debate. So instead of calling someone a disabled person they are a person with disability. And then there's people who prefer to be called autistic, instead of saying they have autism. By saying they are autistic, it's just a way of describing there personality. Like saying some is shy. By saying they have autism or asd (autism spectrum disorder), it implies it's a illness/disorder I have.

I don't think the OP is avoiding. I think it comes down to the meaning you place on certain terms. For some, "disorder" is merely descriptive of the fact they face challenges. For others, "disorder" can mean defective. And, of course, there's lots of other shades between those. For me, I have PTSD, I have DID, I am dyslexic and have other processing disorders, and I live with chronic pain/nerve damage. If others want to describe those things differently for themselves, that's fine with me, but I am comfortable with the terms I know. If enough people within those communities want to change the terms, I will go along. Yes, words have power. And if it matters to you, use what will aid in your healing. For me, I've taken a different route, I see the words as descriptions not judgements.

 

[katz]

I'm not for or against it being changed, but doesn't "injury" mean that it can heal or be cured, so it goes away??

 

[EveHarrington]

....but there are many disorders caused by external things.... I guess I don’t understand the notion that a disorder must be biological/genetic in nature.

 

[shimmerz]

he suggested reframing it as PTSReaction. Using the word change as an acceptance that I am.not disordered but reactive to a bad situation.

This is the way I have done it as well. It has helped me tremendously. The thing about a 'disordered me' is that it is overwhelming to me. It's like the word means that I am defective. And defective people really can't heal because they are well --- broken or unable to manage themselves. I am able to manage myself in some situations (more recently). And I think I got here because I didn't buy into the labels of 'mentally ill' or 'disordered' or 'defective'.

We all do things differently. Hopefully in a way that works towards a positive ending. So as much as I don't think I have the right to challenge anyone who considers themselves disordered, I am not certain that it is very helpful to have others dictate what the OP should be thinking about this topic. Good on you OP for standing your ground and not getting drawn into a debate based on semantics. Keep finding your own meaning and keep putting one foot in front of the other.

 

[Mee]

I'm not for or against it being changed, but doesn't "injury" mean that it can heal or be cured, so it goe...

I guess it depends on the injury. I am hoping that if I compare this to say.... an ‘injury’ losing limbs I might end up with some fast blade things after therapy. Not legs maybe; but something pretty good.

I HAVE to have some hope to keep going :).

 

[Mee]

This is the way I have done it as well. It has helped me tremendously. The thing about a 'disordered...

Thank you so much. Your post means a lot to me, and yes; exactly this.

I do not care to reframe for all but sharing this outlook helped me this morning as did the further idea of injury: a lot. :)

I am pro people doing what works for them to find route to best health possible. :).

 

[Gs172003]

....but there are many disorders caused by external things.... I guess I don’t understand the n...

I think it's about the stigma not the name itself

I still talk myself out of it. I don't know if it's avoidance, shame or both.

 

[shimmerz]

but doesn't "injury" mean that it can heal or be cured, so it goes away??

No. I think injury means that it was not an internal or organic defect but that there was harm inflicted and that there was a loss sustained through that damage.
Definition of INJURY

 

[Mee]

I think it's about the stigma not the name itself

For me it’s just semantics of words. The idea of reframing MY outlook.

To be

 

[Friday]

Ok. I can see this semantics is triggering for you

Nope.

Not triggering at all, and it’s not the semantics.

PTSD has had a lot of different names over the years (a soldiers heart, shell shock, etc.), and it will probably continue to evolve new names as time goes by. For all of me, you can call PTSD George or Tabitha, 309.81 or F43.10)... but when it’s name causes you shame? So that’s why you’re renaming it? To avoid feeling shame? That’s avoidance. In the very classic PTSD sense of avoiding is actually a symptom OF PTSD.

Just like avoiding facing trauma, because it causes shame, instead of facing trauma to remove the shame. Because there is zip nada zilch to be ashamed of.

The problem with avoidance and PTSD long term is that it never works. It works in the short term... and then it spreads. And instead of 1 thing that causes shame? It’s 10, and then 100, and it just keep growing and growing. Because instead of getting to the place where one realizes there is NOTHING to be ashamed of? More and more and more things start evoking that feeling of shame.

With other disorders it’s not such a big deal, because avoidance isn’t actually a symptom of theirs that they have to manage. But symptoms are still human traits, and you can see the much slower version of what we do in the general population.

Slow... was meant as a kindness. He ISNT stupid! He’s just, slow.
Then slow came to have meaning. So people changed the word.
Retarded... was meant as a kindness. He ISNT slow! He’s just retarded.
Then retarded came to have meaning. So people changed the word.

What takes the general populace years and generations to get to? People with PTSD & other disorders of connection can do in weeks & months. We attach meaning onto things, then we avoid those things in order to not have to deal with the meaning we attach onto them.

Right now “reaction” doesn’t have any meaning attached onto it, for you. But it will.

Because it’s not the word that’s important, it’s the meaning that you’re running from.

it’s not ‘shameful’ or ‘a failure’ to react to a horrific circumstance.

When you actually BELIEVE that? It won’t matter what you call it.

 

[blackemerald1]

I think I like the term injury at one level. It's on all the forms I have to fill in...as in What injury did you sustain? When? Where? Who was it reported it to....

It sort of externalises it and even if 'disorder' covers a spectrum of things...it is still an injury.

I am not avoiding it and honestly I too don't actually mind what it is called to a point because it doesn't expedite recovery for me.

It's a bit like the word 'disease'. I find that word overwhelming. But, if I am told someone has say Diabetes. It tells me some medical information but even though I expect it is a disease in it's proper medical form. It's not called that on an individual basis. For instance a person may say I have Diabetes. They don't say I have Diabetes Disease.

With Disorder...there is some sort of thing with 'chaos' going on there. It's 'out there' no quite defined. (Perhaps it cannot)

@Friday you are correct it will probably keep evolving over time.
@Mee I can see where you are coming from too.