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Relationship Shut out...not sure why :(

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kt17

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Ok this is going to be long… I met the most wonderful guy a year ago: Warm, extremely affectionate, caring, generous, looks after himself, and no desire for social activity and leads a very quiet life. He also has no family – apparently his Mom drifted away many years ago (which is hard for me to understand a I am close with my family). We live very far from one another but I travel to his city a lot. We initially had an instant connection, and he kept asking me to come back. I suspected that he may be suffering from PTSD due to his previous profession as I do have a fair bit of knowledge about this area, but when I was with him, the warning signs weren’t really glaringly obvious. He would never talk about himself and seemed to just work a lot (despite not needing the money) and was exhausted from this. But now that I put all the pieces together, I have noticed other symptoms…. Sleep patterns, memory loss, inhibitions, fears for safety, avoids crowds, etc.

He would usually initiate contact every few days with me with brief, yet warm and sweet messages. I saw him again in July and everything was perfect. I was then back in November and everything was great but I began to feel very frustrated and insecure about lack of communication and feared he would disappear but he assured me it wasn’t going to happen. I have never come across as needy with him and have been very easy-going. If I stayed at his place, I felt like he was politely pushing me out the next day. He told me he loves spending time with me and he was spending every moment of available time he had. After I expressed my communication issue, he didn’t handle it that well, and I only saw him once after that but things seemed fine and he made plans to see me the following week, so I texted him, but never heard from him. A week later, I ended up sending a text asking him to explain why this happened and if he wants me to leave him alone. He said he was tied up with work stuff and that he was struggling to deal with the (physical) distance between us and that he tends to isolate himself in times of difficulty. But no apology at all. He then said he doesn’t want me to go away. This was completely confusing to me. He didn’t want to see me, but he doesn’t want me to go away!

We didn't have contact for 2 months, so I sent him a text to ask why he disappeared and he said that he never disappeared and that he hadn’t heard from me either. He told me he’d love to see me and in March, he sent a text saying he was thinking about me, which was the first time he initiated contact in a few months. I arrived in his city again in April, and he told me on the phone that he was excited to see me and we made plans for the weekend, and he initiated contact several times in a row. But no, I never saw him. He blamed his work. I then sent a message asking if he was free on his day off. Nothing. I then called a week later (about a week ago) and left a long message saying that if he didn’t want to see me or if he’s seeing someone else, to just let me know. Nothing. A few days ago, I sent him a text saying that I still want to see him before I leave (been in his city for 4 weeks!), and asked if he was ok and said that I am not wanting to give up on him yet. Nothing.

I would never normally hold onto something for so long and I have only seen him about 10-12 times, but I feel like I was so connected to him. Now that I have learned about shut-outs, I regret approaching it the way I did. I feel at a loss as I am not sure how to get through to him. His behavior really has hurt me because he’s the most caring and affectionate person I’ve ever known when I am with him. It’s hard for me to understand how he cannot see what he’s doing to me. It also hurts me to think he doesn’t have much support – no family, not many friends he can trust…I just want to be there for him and help him, but it’s so hard when he rejects this. He doesn’t seem to be scared of commitment as he has had many long-term relationships. I have never met any of his friends so there is no one I can ask if he is ok…

I guess my questions are for people who are suffering from PTSD…

I have clearly asked him if he wants me to leave him alone and he told me he didn’t want me to go away back in December. When I recently asked on a voicemail, he never got back to me. Should I leave him alone?

If I shouldn’t, should I check in on him at all by sending another text?

He has never properly expressed that he is suffering from PTSD, so should I let him know that I am clued on to what is going on and am there to help? Or will he feel threatened by this?

He claims to work a lot. I am not sure if this is a way to avoid me or if he is genuinely exhausted from this. He seems like a very genuine person and does not seem like a liar. Do people with PTSD often try to cover up/avoid things by lying?

Is someone capable of working long hours during a shut out period? His job does not involve a lot of social contact.

When I initially saw him over a few weeks in July, I wasn’t really shut out, but now down the track, I am. This seems to be common with these posts when things start off great. I don’t feel like we have gotten much closer since July, so I can’t say it’s because of his fear of closeness. It’s almost like he was on his best behavior then and if he had’ve shut me out so early on, he may have thought I wouldn’t stick around. Is it possible to try and control the shut outs? Or is it subconscious?

I would love to hear from people on both ends. Thank you!
 
We don't shut people out to hurt them, but that is what happens... we shut down and no one gets in... at least in my case.... when we hurt someone we then feel guilty and know if we try and explain, you are simply not going to understand... to you it's simple... to us it's anything but simple...but of course this is about me, as I have no idea what is going on with him...

My question to you is..... if you are just now beginning this relationship, and are so hurt and confused.... you really need to consider if this is the one for you... he can be all the wonderful things you say, but if he does have PTSD, which you really don't know, it could be any number of issues.... it is going to be this way, pretty much for many years to come...

Just because he is a good man, doesn't mean you will be able to deal with all that comes with the package.... and again... you don't know if he has PTSD.... so no, I wouldn't venture there if you do text or talk to him again.....

So I am suggesting you get really quite with yourself, and get very real with yourself.... are you honestly ready for the roller coaster that has already shown itself??? Are you willing to be hurt, confused, frustrated, not communicated with.... and everything you have felt so far?? Because that is what being in a relationship with one of us is like, not always, but most of the time.... you can support him, but you can not help him.... that's a tough one... can you do that???

Do you have a self care plan? You will end up needing a therapist of your own.... I am not saying these things for any reason except to share our truth with you.... you asked... it will be the hardest thing you have ever done... with very little normalcy. Love is never ever enough, Never.... Educate yourself about PTSD... still, not knowing if this is what his dx is.... and don't go into it blind and with love as your only reason..... I wish you well, and I hope you make a choice that your understand what your role is going to be....

Appreciate that your reached out BEFORE you were neck deep in something you didn't understand... hell, it's hard being US, and even harder being in a relationship.....wishing you what is best for you...
 
He has never properly expressed that he is suffering from PTSD, so should I let him know that I am clued on to what is going on and am there to help? Or will he feel threatened by this?

Personally I get pretty pissed off when people try and tell me my diagnoses. Other people get all warm and fuzzy. I'm sure others get threatened by it. Whole possible range of reactions. Shrug.

He claims to work a lot. I am not sure if this is a way to avoid me or if he is genuinely exhausted from this. He seems like a very genuine person and does not seem like a liar. Do people with PTSD often try to cover up/avoid things by lying?

Totally depends on the person / isn't really related to PTSD at all. Some people lie. Some don't.

Is someone capable of working long hours during a shut out period? His job does not involve a lot of social contact.

You're going to notice a theme here ;) Totally depends on both the person, as well as their particular spectrum of how they isolate. People isolate in a lot of different ways. Yep. Some absolutely throw themselves into work, either while isolating, or as a form of isolating.

Is it possible to try and control the shut outs? Or is it subconscious?
Yes & No & Maybe. Sometimes some people can, sometimes those same people can't. Isolating is either a tool or coping mechanism that a lot (but not all) people with PTSD use when they're under stress. Sometimes people isolate on purpose, sometimes they look up a few days/weeks/months/etc. and realize, shit, they've done it again. As well as a whole lot of in between. Like being able to be extremely social for work, but completely cut off their personal life. Or family is stress free, but they can't buy groceries. Whoooooole lotta variation. Even with the same person. Much less looking at the disorder as a whole.

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Something important to know:
While isolating is common with PTSD? It's hardly the only disorder that commonly uses it. I could easily list off at least a dozen. All with very different causes & effects. Then there's also the fact that some people isolate for no -pathological- reason whatsoever. It's just part of their personality. So even if he's former military/first-responder/aid-worker/or any other PTSD common job? Doesn't actually mean he has PTSD. Each and every single symptom PTSD has is also part of other disorders.
 
Thank you for your replies and I will clarify further a bit later. But without wanting to give too much away, his previous intensive long career (as well as personality type) would indicate he is very susceptible to be suffering from PTSD. And he has mentioned the term very briefly to me before. I am 95% certain it is this, but it's surprising that he wouldn't openly say it to me as I think he knows I am pretty non-judgemental and he has confided in me about other personal things.
 
I'm going to second the warning against diagnosing him yourself. He may have PTSD or he may be a jerk or he may be a jerk with PTSD. In any event he is not communicating with you. My advice is don't communicate with him and get on with your life. If he surfaces you can see how you feel about him at that time.
 
I agree with @Friday and @Sighs. You can't diagnose him with PTSD. You may suspect it, but it doesn't mean that it's true. Some people are introverts by nature. Some people can't handle confrontation so they ghost instead of being honest and breaking it off properly. It is just as likely that one of these scenarios is the case as him having PTSD. You cannot know.

I'd take PTSD out of the equation and ask yourself if this kind of behavior would be acceptable from any healthy person. If Joe Average did this to you, would you be OK with it?

Words are easy. Actions speak louder.
 
@kt17 Everyone here has given sound information to you. I would probably take @ladee at heart.

I'm not in a position today to give you any insight. I am a supporter who gave 10 years of my life supporting the most loving and caring person I "knew." Today I am broken, yet on the road to recovery.

You asked for thoughts from both perspectives. I thought I could be a great supporter. I thought love could conquer anything. I thought I had the strength to do this for a lifetime. In the end I learned a very valuable lesson......there is absolutely, positively nothing I could, or can, do to change another person. They are who they are and the only one who can change them is themselves, if that is their choice.

The question to you is, regardless of PTSD or not, is this the life you want to live?

I honestly wish you well. Take care of you.
 
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