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Relationship What Do I Say To Keep Communication Open?!

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Hi all, I'm looking for some advice. I've been with my sufferer on and off for a little over a year. He has been trying to get help since before we met, and it didn't help that besides the events that brought on his PTSD, he had also recently been in an abusive relationship. In terms of my mistakes, I definitely should have done my research on how PTSD affects relationships sooner - I always knew he was diagnosed but thought he would let me know if there was something more important I needed to know.

We fell in love and then, a few months in, there started a pattern. He would suddenly announce he was done with me, often for minor or even no prompting. I would cajole him back, and usually he would be fine within a day or so. But I always reached out, and a lot of times, the next day he would never acknowledge these outbursts. Until I began reading this forum, I didn't realize how common these kinds of periods of isolation were.

When we started to test the idea of further commitment over the summer, things quickly fell apart. A series of actions caused him to continually question my trust and faith. I don't deny that I made mistakes that led to this, although I was faithful and do feel like his reaction has been exacerbated by his PTSD. The last few weeks have been a roller coaster, with him going back and forth rapidly between accepting me in again and sharply pushing me away, with more rage than before. I started to become fearful about engaging, wondering if I was being too pushy. His anger had turned very personal towards me, and while I wanted to preserve my own self-care, I also thought that his behavior indicated that he was more troubled than before and so I wanted to maintain support.

Finally, I thought we were in a better place. We managed to have a really long talk about our relationship and at the end of it, he very specifically turned to me and told me that he wanted me to know that despite the fits and starts, he wanted to try to make things work. It was a sweet moment. The very next day, there was another blowup. At this point, I was weary, and when he asked for a break with no communication, I thought it was a good idea and we set specific terms of when we would talk again. I was really clear at this time to ask him if what he needed was just a break, rather than a breakup. He's done the sudden breakup thing so often that I figured if that's what he wanted, he'd just say that. In a lot of ways, I thought that the fact that he thought it through enough to call it a break and set terms was progress.

Well, the day before we were scheduled to talk, he texted me that he was going to be out of town earlier than expected and wouldn't be able to talk. I decided not to overreact and wished him a good trip, while still saying that I was disappointed that we wouldn't be able to speak. He responded in a kind way before he left. I was confused - on the one hand, he broke the agreement about the break, but on the other hand, he didn't seem angry and had made sure to tell me beforehand and respond to my message back, so it felt like he still wanted to remain in contact.

Therefore, I decided to do what I've always done - reach out. I wrote a lighthearted email to show I cared and stay in touch, indicating specifically that there was no pressure to respond. He responded in a cordial, if distant, way, but as we exchanged a couple of emails back and forth, he soured very quickly. His most recent message said that he doesn't have anything to say to me anymore.

My question to other sufferers and supporters is, how do I respond to this?! On the one hand, I want to give him space if he asks for it. Maybe I shouldn't respond at all? On the other hand, some of his other recent actions (setting the break, telling me he wanted to make it work, responding to my messages, etc.) indicate that he does still want some communication.

What do you tell someone when they say they don't have anything to say to you? How do you both indicate your support and also give space?! I also don't want to enable bad behavior by just pretending.
 
I don't think you should be worried about what to say to keep communication open, because then you will fall into the trap of saying things to elicit certain responses from him rather than saying things that you need to say because you have your own needs in the relationship. I think you need to set a boundary here and show him that you won't tolerate this bad behavior. Yes, there is always isolation with PTSD sufferers, but there are healthy ways of dealing with it, and him constantly saying things are over is not a healthy way. If I were you, I would just not respond to his last message. It sounds like he is basically ending it again. Don't bother saying anything right now. When he does contact you again, then you can tell him you two need to discuss his behavior.
 
Hm...I wonder, what would you do if PTSD wasn't in the picture. If this was any other guy you became involved with and liked, but started dipping in and out of your life? I think as supporters we run the danger of excusing and "understanding" behavior that is actually quite unacceptable. It's easier sometimes for us to think: It's not me, it's the PTSD!

The question always is, where does the understanding end? What's the boundary? What can reasonably be "excused" and what now, or over time, is a deal breaker? For me it's when my boyf starts yelling and screaming in a PTSD rage. He knows it's unacceptable and I've drawn a clear boundary. The only reason this works is because he always, without fail comes back and, however awkwardly, tries to communicate and find a way. It takes two! PTSD does not mean they are allowed to throw all respect and decency out the door. It's just not how it works. And if yours is in the habit of bailing and evading his own responsibility and commitments to you: is not you, it's not the PTSD, it's just assholish behavior.

I would go as far as to say, if he comes back and tries to excuse his behavior with his PTSD, I'd call foul.

How do you both indicate your support and also give space?!
My question here is: what are YOUR conditions for lending this kind of support? Are there conditions? Or is it, in fact, unconditional now that you know that he has PTSD? If anything, the road as a supporter is one paved with lessons in boundaries. It sure as heck has showed how readily I can take on, excuse, or try to understand unacceptable behavior. Not just in terms of my current boyfriend, but in general, and it's a fast track lesson in gaining (or re-gaining) some much needed self-respect.

This is hard, I know.
 
Sounds like typical PTSD reactions to me. I mean your guy sounds like the male version of me.

Excusing the behavior with PTSD? Maybe not. But it IS indeed an explanation. I mean I have a hard time believing that your guy and I are just wretched abusive people and none of this is rooted in PTSD.
 
Sounds like typical PTSD reactions to me. I mean your guy sounds like the male version of me.

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Yes, exactly why I'm so reluctant to throw in the towel or write him off as being consciously abusive. At times when he's less symptomatic, he has pointed out that he's embarrassed and guilty about getting angry. Many times, he says he's not worth the effort, etc. I'm just wondering if there's any better way to manage the push-away periods other than just biting my nails and waiting or being a doormat and constantly reaching out for reconciliation. Do you have a favorite way of being supported, even silently or from a distance?
 
Here's my rule of thumb... If I say I'm going to give my sufferer space, I mean it. I give him space. I don't contact him. If he wanted contact he wouldn't have asked for space.

I think a lot of times supporters feel like if they send comforting messages every day or tell them "I'm here when you're ready" everyday that they're comforting their sufferers. They're not. They're comforting themselves. It makes us feel better to keep texting because we're insecure.

What we need to do is truly be at peace with our sufferers' need for space. I don't mind isolation periods. I know they're not about me. I'm fine as long as he respects my boundaries on length of time and reassures me he is physically ok every so often so I don't worry. That's what *I* need in my relationship. I give him space, he gives me that.
 
I agree with @Sweetpea76, if they ask for space then supporters need to respect that. However, in my own opinion, I think it's unfair for sufferers to see acts kindness on the supporter's part, like reaching out during isolation to show that you're there, as an affront or disrespect or reason to mistrust them. We are humans too and, even though we may not know what it's like to suffer PTSD + all the ins and outs of what you need in that moment or don't, we should still be cherished for trying and doing the best we can. Like I said, respecting space is one thing, having the sufferer control our entire range of behavior and using it against us is not ok.

What bumps me up about your initial post is that he clearly broke the agreement you had and has not reached out to settle a new one. You said you guys would talk on a certain day, he didn't hold that agreement, and has slowly faded out since. That's unfair and cannot be excused or explained by PTSD and needing space. That's what I meant by what are YOUR conditions as to lending support? I'm not trying to talk you into anything, I clearly don't know all the details, but I believe it's disrespectful to YOU to just leave you hanging, and to respond with more love and more support might be happening at your own expense.

But to get more concrete: I think in this situation I would not reach out again. If he wants space and no contact then that's his choice. If he wanted more support from you, he'd have to act accordingly. If he re-emerges, you can greet him with kindness, but perhaps find a way to explain to him that you have boundaries too, which include that your needs and feelings should be respected as well, ie. holding agreements when to talk again, him checking in to say he's alright and working through it, etc. Would that be an option?
 
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I have a hard time believing that your guy and I are just wretched abusive people and none of this is rooted in PTSD.

I also don't believe that this behavior means you or the the OP's boyfriend are just wretched abusive people. I hope that's not how this read. I do believe, however, that there are limits to what supporters should find acceptable. It very well may be rooted in PTSD, but I'm not sure why that in that instance the "need" to isolate, not hold agreements, and chuck all responsibility should trump the sufferer's "need" for a mutually respectful relationship. PTSD sufferer or not, if you can't meet your partner halfway and act decently even in the face of hardship, then you're not ready for a relationship. I, too, hurt and confused and quite alone, bend my mind into a pretzel to give my sufferer what he needs in those moments - why not the other way around too?
 
Here is a good analogy that can help supporters understand what it feels like when your sufferer needs space.

Imagine the sickest you've ever been with a stomach flu... Head in the toilet, laying on the bathroom floor wishing for death. Now imaging somebody keeps knocking on the door wanting you to fix them dinner. You ask them to please give you some space because you're too sick, and you cannot possibly handle food. They agree, but come back in 15 minutes and knock again... Has it been long enough? I need my dinner to feel loved. Youre in the middle of throwing up, so you can't do it yet. 20 minutes later they're knocking again, crying and upset. You don't love me because you don't care how I feel.

It's not that you don't want to fix dinner... You just cannot. Period.

It's the same with sufferers isolating. They're sick. They're trying to get by. It's nothing to do with you. They just need some peace to concentrate on feeling better.
 
Here is a good analogy that can help supporters understand what it feels like when your sufferer ne...

Lol, what an awesome analogy. It really does make the whole isolation/supporter dance pretty clear huh? I'd have to add though: I imagine I'm the sickest I've ever been with a stomach flu. I'll just not be able to function and definitely need space and quiet to recover. Totally legitimate. However, at what point during the initial phases of this stomach flu do I go ballistic on my supporter, expect him to be totally fine with that, while also making him responsible for my stomach flu, and then disappearing without further notice in my sickbed and not even have the decency to tell them I'm still recovering when they reach out? If I really did behave that badly when I was sick, I'd be crawling back on my knees the moment I can hold down food. Even the sickest I've ever been - and I've been pretty sick + hospitalized in my time - have I treated my friends, family, or partner with respect. No matter how incapacitated, I was able to tell between right and wrong ways to treat other people + what I can reasonably expect them to put up with.

In a "perfect" scenario, however, where the sufferer needs to go into isolation, doesn't antagonize you or make you responsible in the process + you've come to an agreement on the parameters of the isolation, this analogy should be tattooed on every supporter's forehead though, yes :)
 
He may not be able to be in a relationship right now. Is he in treatment? Your boyfriend having been in an abusive relationship is really going to make this tricky. Just being with you and experiencing the stress of your relationship might be sending his brain into panic mode.

I think you have been handling this in the right way. You can't be expected to read his mind. Asking him specifically if he wanted a break or a breakup was a really great idea. When I am struggling, I find it very helpful when someone asks specific but not leading questions like that. The way that PTSD messes with our brains when we're stressed can make it hard to communicate, so a direct question can make it easier.
 
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