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Propranolol

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I have actually decided to not take it - should have updated.

When I read that one of the possible side effects was hair loss, in males -and- females, I was like "f*ck THAT!!!"

So it's back to the drawing board. I did get the prazosin she wanted to give me though, I'll be trying that out tonight. None of those side effects freaked me out.
 
I currently take this as needed for panic attacks. It works pretty well for me and like others said, it takes away the physical symptoms of a panic attack. I am too nervous to take benzodiazepenes so I asked my psych to help me find something non addictive. This is about as good as I can get. Let me know if you have any questions.
 
I wouldn’t worry so much about side effects unless you actually experience that side effect. I’ve avoided extremely common side effects on certain meds (to the complete shock of my doctors), while getting the completely obscure/remote ones for other meds. In other words, side effects are a complete crap shoot, and given how it’s not uncommon for people to take ten years to find the right med combination, I wouldn’t throw away a possible med because of side effects you haven’t experienced.

FWIW which I know isn’t much, neither I nor anyone I know has experienced hair loss on propranolol.
 
I wouldn’t worry so much about side effects unless you actually experience that side effect.
Thing is, if I start balding, I'm just going to blow my head off. Or, I will -REALLY- want to. So yeah. f*ck that. Not worth risking it.

From my reading, it was common enough for me to find it not worth the risk. You need to understand - I am like OVERLY caring about some aspects of my appearance. I refuse SSRIs and stuff because I don't want to get fat (among other reasons). I refuse all sorts of drugs for all sorts of very vain reasons - but for me, -extreme- negative self image has been plaguing me for most of my life. Legitimate lowering of my self-image, really can make me do extreme things.

So I like, have very abnormally strong fear of looking like shit. Yeah, it would be great to try it and have it work. Problem is though - I can't make myself unafraid enough to try the drug (like, if I -do- take it, life will become a constant paranoid struggle to ensure I am not balding, and I know that's going to be stressful as F*CK!!!), and it even working is a f*cking gamble. I think it would probably be helpful to me. I really liked the idea of taking it. But, once I read into the balding side-effect, it killed it - I am too afraid to try it.

I told my pdoc/counselor that, and she didn't even try to argue against me at all - she just looked it up herself, on her phone to make sure I was right, that it's something that happens with propranolol - and just accepted that I don't want to take it and didn't even try to convince me otherwise, not even the tiniest little bit. I was kinda hoping she was going to try talking me into it but, how the f*ck is she gonna argue against facts? It _DOES_ cause some people to start balding. _IF_ that happened, I would feel so horrible I'd be at a high risk of suicide and self harm - it would be crushing - it would set me back immensely. Is it even worth the risk, if I am going to be a paranoid wreck -regardless- of whether it works on my anxiety or not? I can't see myself -NOT- obsessing about the chance of balding, if I take it. I -WANTED- to take it really badly, on the chance that it works and lowers anxiety/panic symptoms. But once I read about the chance of balding, my stomach dropped - it became too scary to try. I wish I could try it. I wish I could be secure in myself to the point that I didn't care about the risk - but like, f*ck, I do not know what to do.

I also have this expectation that if something can go wrong, or can go badly, it WILL go badly for -me-, even if it goes right for 99.9999999975% of people, it will go wrong for me. That is my expectation. I have had too much shit go wrong - it's too hard to -not- expect everything to go f*cking horribly wrong.
 
Wow. It sounds like you’re going to have to heal without meds! I’m pretty sure that every psych med out there can possibly negatively affect your appearance in one way or another, whether it be weight gain or balding or skin issues or whatever. I’m on one that can cause weight gain, but I’ve been able to lose weight on it, and another that made my skin horribly scaly for a few months, but it’s since cleared up.
 
Wow. It sounds like you’re going to have to heal without meds!
I dunno, I'm sorry if I was sounding overboard with saying all that - your hyperbole makes me think that I might have angered you or something, which was not my intention - I just seriously have a lot of issues with my self-image, and I have been dealing with that for a long time - I don't really want to elaborate on it, and why I have those issues. Over the years I've become better about not feeling down over that shit - but one of the few things that really helps me feel okay about myself, is my hair.

From what I read, some of the people who had balding on propranolol, did not have their hair recover 100% after they quit it. That is the main thing stopping me. I already feel horrible about my physical body, and have worked hard to not feel so bad about it.

Things like scaly skin that can fully recover, either with more time on the med or with ceasing of the med, don't make me think "oh shit, do I want to risk that?" in the same way - some potential side effects make me worry, others don't make me worry as much - not all visual-appearance-affecting side effects are equal in regards to my hesitance about experiencing them, and yes, I know I am stupid for worrying about this shit. I have a really hard time feeling safe with the gamble, even if the odds say I probably won't have that happen.

I refused propranolol but I don't just refuse everything. I am open to trying other stuff. I've been on bupropion for a while now. I was okay with it because I was given it as a child and didn't have any noticeable bad effects, back then. I was asked if I'd rather try zoloft or bupropion, and chose bupropion due to the past experience with it, and my hesitance about starting SSRIs.

I've let this pdoc prescribe me l-methylfolate and prazosin, and the prazosin is at least working on me - which makes me kind of wonder if propranolol would be effective. I think maybe the l-methylfolate is helping me in regards to depression, at the least.

If I tried propranolol and it worked, it would be great, that is undeniable. I just have such a hard time gambling my hair, which I know is abnormal - I just have an abnormally bad view of myself I guess. I am sort of torn on it.
 
Thing is, if I start balding, I'm just going to blow my head off. Or, I will -REALLY- want to. So yea...

Ha, yeah, you remind me of when I was 19-20. I was really obsessing over losing my hair. I ran into this shampoo that turned my scalp a bright red and itchy. My hair thinned out so bad that you could see my scalp. Fun times.

I'm 54 now and have a thick head of hair. I also take propanalol PRN. For headaches and also to treat anxiety. I don't take it all the time because it really slows my heart and can be annoying when I'm trying to exercise. However, when I wake in the middle of the night in a sweat and and my heart pounding, it really helps from climbing walls.
 
Lol I forgot about this thread.
I'm actually on propranolol now. It helps keep my heart rate down, helps me shake less, and just helps some physical panic symptoms to not happen.

I still have daily panic attacks, usually plural. And limited symptom panic episodes. But propranolol helps make it easier to get through life in spite of panic still being there.

For example I can still play piano even if I get panicky. Unless I get too panicky, lmao. Then it's no fun. But I can actually play when I'd normally be shaking too much a lot of the time.

It was actually a little too effective at lowering my blood pressure and pulse, once I went from PRN with it to 3x a day 10mg. My resting pulse was 42 and I was having a lot of low blood pressure feels. Now I do 10mg once or twice a day, pulse resting tends to be 55 or so.

It is for the best because stress/panic had my blood pressure and heart rate constantly too high, and I may be young and physically healthy but it's no good to have high BP all the time. I'm glad I reconsidered trying propranolol.
 
Good for you.

btw, most of these meds have some pretty scary side effects in the small print. Docs avoid telling you because the placebo effect. However, if you start experiencing something, it's good to cross reference the side effects for your meds. Doctors are smart and well trained, but they aren't perfect.

Chronic benzo use will cause hair loss. That and some of the roids that the meat heads at the gym take will also do it. :)
 
btw, most of these meds have some pretty scary side effects in the small print.
Yeah right now I'm struggling over whether or not I should agree to taking SSRIs.

Those definitely have some objective downsides, e.g. withdrawal if you decide to stop taking them, and have been on them long enough with a high enough dose.

Kinda sucks having to consider taking a class of meds you never, ever wanted to touch. >.<
 
Yeah right now I'm struggling over whether or not I should agree to taking SSRIs.

Those definitely h...

I know. Just be grateful they are available. Also, be prepared for them to either not work or even make things worse. Unfortunately, it's a trial and error thing although the better pdocs have an intuitive sense for what will work or not.

I remember getting a very hard sell from several doctors, but the SSRI's would make my anxiety explode out of control. Their answer? It was always up the dose. I just couldn't take them until I started on Seroquel which kept my agitation under control enough to tolerate the SSRI's.

A couple years later, I was getting a hard sell from doctors for synthetic opium to treat my migraine pain. We know how that worked out and many of the doctors had "incentive plans" from the pharmaceutical companies. I suspect it was the same for many doctors.
 
Hi. I take 40 mg as and when for my PTSD and I find it just makes me calmer, especially at night time. Stops the heart racing. But it sounds like everyone has a different experience
 
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