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Don't know how to help a friend, ideas welcome

Ah. If only it were to simple that a conversation will make people behave differently.
I think you would be going down a road best avoided here. If they could behave the way she needed, they would. If they haven't, they either can't or won't. No amount of wisdom from you is going to make any difference. In fact, it's likely to cause disruption especially if she's explicitly told you not to.
If my partner went to my family I would be very angry. I know she has wanted to buy I've told her not to.

Why? I always think that remaining friends or part of each others family makes sense. The friendship and deep connection doesn't need to disappear just because the intimate relationship has ended. Love can morph into a different type of love.
My ex is my best friend. So I get it.

Maybe a social worker?

Doesn't sound like it is. She moved out. So she knew that would mean being financially independent?

This is also best avoided.

It's incredibly hard to see someone you love struggle. And sometimes there is nothing you can do but witness it and be there for them.
Is there no adult services or a charity or a community place that would help? Religious group? Community group?

Thank you for all these points - I will give them some thought.

Right off the bat, the one about our atypical relationship: I raised it because one possibility in my mind, possibly inaccurate, is that because we've not gone no-contact and we're not in other relationships, maybe she wants me to rush to the rescue. To take her back in, let her live off the rent from her apartment, and for me to attend to her every need in mine, and to become entirely dependent on me. I don't feel able to do that (at least not yet), especially because over the past four years she told me several times we shouldn't be together, which I agreed with and she finally acted on it. What became her monologues of complaining, plus her agitation, negativity, inaction and rages are also something I would not want to live with. Being able to meet up every other day for a nice chat over lunch and a walk in the park and sitting on a bench in each others' arms enjoying the leaves in the sunshine is a far more pleasant experience. We clearly still have a lot of love and a strong bond.
 
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If you need good advice about what resources are available locally, then self-help groups are a fantastic place to start. You can go to all the ones that sound vaguely relevant and explain your friend/ ex's situation there and get feedback from the locals who understand the medical/ support system there and know what helps and what doesn't. Self-help groups are an amazing resource for getting that kind of information.

Thanks: I have never heard of such groups here. Are you talking about online forums, or meet-ups?
 
You sound like a lovely and supportive friend to want to seek help for her, but as others have already highlighted make sure first she wants the help, and what that looks like to her. If she has difficulty in being hyperindependent (eg stubborn as a mule, a trait many of us share as a result of trust being impossible) coming in and offering her lots of suggestions may well make the symptoms worse. Think about your boundaries too, no one is superhuman and you can't take the weight of this on your own without being hideously burnt out.

Practically it sounds like affording to live is a big priority. MH stability is very hard to achieve if the basics aren't there as a nice secure base. If her needs and medical conditions prevent her from re engaging with work, looking at whatever the welfare system is where you are seems like a pretty urgent need. Maybe her T is aware of the process and can offer some signposting, or government website/ charity info that can give a breakdown of what help might be available and how to access.


So much of what you said here is very wise (as well as kind) and much appreciated.

As said in other posts she is certainly asking for help. She says she is debilitated and incapacitated. What she says she needs is someone to clean and tidy her apartment, cook for her, launder her clothes, buy her furniture, finish her kitchen, run errands for her and provide her with an income.

One of my boundaries is that I cannot do all that for her. I launder her clothes at my place as she is waiting to have her washing machine installed. I don't mind doing this because it is a sign that someone cares about her. I have tried to help her with professional connections. I am not giving her money or furniture. I would like to help her help herself.

I believe some expressions of family love may boost her morale, as they say 'it takes a village to raise a child' and I am sure a community can help with mental health. And so I would like to encourage that from her brother, who she has told me many times she feels abandoned by. Her father is probably a lost cause - elderly, highly indebted, a trigger for her and possibly suffering from mental illness himself. Her mother died shortly before all this escalated, and her best female friend recently said she is walking away (IMHO on balance a good thing, because she was her co-bulimic, enabling fellow addict of vomiting, but still another emotional loss).

As mentioned in another post her therapist said in their last session (because she ran out of budget) that he knew of nothing that could help her for free in this country. And so again, I am inclined to confer with her brother.

Perhaps I ought to consider letting her know or my intentions about discussing with her brother, or obtaining her consent, before I speak with him about this. On the other hand, this is urgent and I am not sure that she is of full mental capacity; she may refuse my request to confer with him - as a panic response entailing another melt down.

You are right that giving her loads of suggestions would make things worse - just today she was unable to handle her own phone call to me that consisted of a monologue of anguish and horror, just because I asked her to explain a few things that I was trying to understand. She ended the call because she was emotionally unable to continue - because I was actively listening, not because I was giving advice.

And yet she askes me what to do. And she prefers to do things her way. And she repeatedly raises the subject of euthanasia.
 
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People who try to help others who are addicted to drugs or alcohol or in similar crises often end up becoming "co-dependent".

It would be worth reading up on this, to ascertain whether this is happening to you.

It's a very difficult (and blurry) line between "helping" and getting into a "co-dependent" dynamic.
 
People who try to help others who are addicted to drugs or alcohol or in similar crises often end up becoming "co-dependent".

It would be worth reading up on this, to ascertain whether this is happening to you.

It's a very difficult (and blurry) line between "helping" and getting into a "co-dependent" dynamic.

Thank you, you are right. I am well aware of this and have read a lot on it. This is partly why I agreed with her when she said we should be apart, I encouraged her to follow through by moving out, and I am not enabling her with money.

NB I referred to her bulimia when mentioning addiction, she does not have substance abuse. It's not a standard view perhaps, but I personally believe addictions are more widespread than many of us realize.

Full disclosure, I myself have been addicted to rumination and intrusive thoughts - I treated myself partly by understanding it was an addiction.
 
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Yeah, I agree. A co-dependent dynamic doesn't require a "substance" abuse type of addiction.

I think sometimes, when people are in a massive crisis, then on a metaphorical level, they are "battling their own demons". You can read up on the idea of "the long dark night of the soul" if you're interested in that. I think it can be a part of becoming older, wiser and more mature... possibly an inevitable part of life, in some way. And when someone is engaged in that internal battle with their own demons, there's very little you can do... You can't fight their demons for them... It doesn't work that way.

And if you try to do it regardles... If you insist on helping a person who is "going through hell" then sometimes, you end up going through hell with them. (I say that from experience, unfortunately.)

At the same time, if we care deeply about someone, then not-helping can feel impossible. It can feel like we will feel guilty about it for the rest of our lives, if we don't try. So even if it gets incredibly painful and messy, maybe it's something we feel we have to do... and that's part of our life journey.

I think once we've done that... tried that... (and usually failed...) once we go to our boundaries... go beyond our boundaries... try everything we can think of... then we realise how "unable" to help, we truly are... what our limitations are... that as much as we wish it, it's not possible, because it doesn't work that way...

That realisation can be incredibly painful and involve a lot of grief... But I think once you've understood those limitations, you "get it" and you realise that you can't actually "rescue" or "save" someone in that kind of deep crisis. It's a deep personal journey for the person who's trying to "help" too...
 
Yeah, I agree. A co-dependent dynamic doesn't require a "substance" abuse type of addiction.

I think sometimes, when people are in a massive crisis, then on a metaphorical level, they are "battling their own demons". You can read up on the idea of "the long dark night of the soul" if you're interested in that. I think it can be a part of becoming older, wiser and more mature... possibly an inevitable part of life, in some way. And when someone is engaged in that internal battle with their own demons, there's very little you can do... You can't fight their demons for them... It doesn't work that way.

And if you try to do it regardles... If you insist on helping a person who is "going through hell" then sometimes, you end up going through hell with them. (I say that from experience, unfortunately.)

At the same time, if we care deeply about someone, then not-helping can feel impossible. It can feel like we will feel guilty about it for the rest of our lives, if we don't try. So even if it gets incredibly painful and messy, maybe it's something we feel we have to do... and that's part of our life journey.

I think once we've done that... tried that... (and usually failed...) once we go to our boundaries... go beyond our boundaries... try everything we can think of... then we realise how "unable" to help, we truly are... what our limitations are... that as much as we wish it, it's not possible, because it doesn't work that way...

That realisation can be incredibly painful and involve a lot of grief... But I think once you've understood those limitations, you "get it" and you realise that you can't actually "rescue" or "save" someone in that kind of deep crisis. It's a deep personal journey for the person who's trying to "help" too...


Agree with all this. My "long dark night of the soul" happened very many times throughout my youth and young adulthood - and each one of them was going to go either way, sink or swim. Turns out I didn't drown, and bragging now became a champion swimmer thanks to those experiences. Which means even if I am not going to let a downing person take me down with them, I still want to throw her a lifejacket. I will not simply walk away.
 
Also yeah, her demons... I hear you and agree.

I am trying to work out if I should let her fight them alone as they are in her head, but the illness in her body is holding her back. Not a fair fight, life isn't fair, I am a friend and ally.
 
I think there's a difference between helping and rescuing?

I know when I've had to fight my own demons in times of crisis, I am grateful when there is some help from people... So that I'm not struggling completely on my own... I guess it gives me hope, when there is occasional help and gives me courage to keep fighting for another day, another week.

But I think the journey and the fight is "mine". And if someone tries to "fix" it for me, they will fail. And if I try to get someone else to fix it for me, then that attempt to get that will feel desperate, messy and end up failing.

Anyway... not easy...

I just thought I'd mention it, because I don't think "rescuing" helps in the way that we think/ hope it will, when we see someone in pain/ struggling/ a disaster.

Only you can figure out what is right in this situation...

I'm sure there's some healthy middle ground between attempting to rescue and walking away and ignoring the situation...?
 
She gave the example of Michael Mosely, the British celebrity doctor who died of heat exposure on a hike in Greece, who she said should have been stopped by her family from walking in the summer sun alone, no matter what he told them.
This is fantasy. Once we’re adults, we’re independent. We have control over the choices we make in our life. And we are responsible for ourselves.

The flip side of that freedom and independence is people are entitled to make poor decisions. It’s not actually appropriate for other adults to step in and take control, no matter how well intended. She’s in control of her life, which means that she’s entitled to make good choices and bad choices about what she does with her life.

if I should let her fight them alone
There’s never any point where someone else can fight our demons for us, or even ‘with us’.

Being a supporter is incredibly frustrating and oftentimes tragic in that sense. She is the only one who can fight this.

You can point her in the right direction, and cheer her on from the sidelines. But this fight is hers, no matter how much you might want to help.
 
Why don’t you contact her brother and tell him, she could use a reminder he loves her? Leave it at that. He’ll either step up and call her and maybe dig around enough that she opens up or he won’t. If she doesn’t open up it’s because she doesn’t want him to know and therefore he shouldn’t. If she does then it will be HER telling him not you.

You say she’s at rock bottom but rock bottom is something the person hitting it determines, not outsiders. I’d say she’s past that point but that’s because she’s already relied on people way more than I’d feel comfortable. It sounds like she wants to be taken care of and she’s fishing for you to step up to the plate, not something you should do.
 

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