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I Am Selfish

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What if we were to look at it as if these people DID want to stay around and be with you, support you, be a friend (for better and for worse), understood your position on things that might trigger, understood that sometime things will, be there because they value you as as their friend, want to show they can be responsible for your welfare and want you to trust them too as a friend.

I guess I only had experiences of people who said they wanted to support me, whilst at the same time being abusive towards me, emotionally, psychologically and sometimes physically. That was confusing to say the least. They made things worse in their attempt to make things better for me. I know it is intention that counts, but if the person is causing more damage being around me, am I really obliged to stay? Just because they want to help does not mean they actually ARE helping.

If you believed this, instead of your current opposite views, would you feel selfish then?

If I had evidence of people who were willing to stick around long enough to show real support to me...not just say they will and then use gaslighting on me, then I might not feel that way, no. I do have a couple of people I can confide in now, who have had similar experiences, and we call each other at times to talk, and feel better for it. I know I am not a burden to them.

When you are told you are a "freeloader" by your primary caregivers, when you are suicidal and cannot even leave the house, let alone "get a job" which is all they cared about...it's hard to not think you are a burden.

In regards to family, who are supposed to care and do in their own strange and twisted way, no one was really willing to learn anything about PTSD, even when they were with me in the psychologists office, and certainly offered no comfort whatsoever when I clearly needed support...so I didn't really experience more than a pamphlet being given to me to call "Beyond Blue" and an inspirational book for my birthday, showing the struggle of an athlete and how she overcame depression to win gold, which was nice, but I really didn't want to read it. The kind of support I needed I knew I could never get from these people who 'care' about me. It's hard to not feel like a burden when that is how you are treated.

Can anyone really say that the person who shows us concern or care is just doing this out of pity or duty? this does not say a lot about this person. How would you really know if this was the reason, what if they are genuine?

I think you can tell the difference. If they are co-dependant themselves then helping someone because they feel sorry for them can be a way they derive self-esteem. It's not always easy to detect unless you know about co-dependency, but yes, there are also people who genuinely want to help and do care, and want to understand, and try very hard to. I was probably being too harsh and not giving people the benefit of the doubt enough. I do have some people in my life who do love and care about me...but they are online friends mainly, so they don't really have to deal with me on a day to day basis, and from a distance they can offer support via words.

Sometimes I think that we can focus on negative thoughts about other people based on how we see ourselves. I.E, if I think I am a burden I am going to think everyone else must think that too. I have found out this is projecting our feelings onto others. Which is also a classic symptom of PTSD.

Yes, I think this is true, and my previous post probably did expose many limiting beliefs that I hold due to my experiences with PTSD and people.

Instead I tried to look at the person as if they were the type just to do it out of pity. I realised they were not and I was assuming the wrong things instead of trusting them to be genuine.

That's great.

I found when I thought like this I would attract and recognise the type of people who are genuine, based on how they are and how they treat others.

Yes, I tend to form conclusions based on these observations as well these days. Especially how they are towards animals. Having grown up in a family where abuse of animals, of all sizes, was done without any remorse from my father and one brother, I tend to judge on how they treat animals as well as how they treat me, and I've met some extraordinarily kind and genuine people in the last year. I'm very lucky. I still have a lot of trouble reaching out for help though, even though I am open about my experiences.

Of course I had to also believe that I was not a burden and was worth their concern.

Yes, this helps.;)

Point taken Saffy. I probably am thinking these things. I caught myself thinking how worthless I am a few hours ago actually, so I do have some work to do transforming these thoughts and feelings. Thankyou for the challenge.:)

I did not realize I still think this way, as I am not really that symptomatic anymore and often feel like I am no longer suffering from PTSD, but reading over my words in this post, I can see I still feel sorry for myself about the way I was treated in the past.
 
Maybe I've read too many supporter stories. I see how they hurt and I don't want to do that to anybody. It makes me feel guilty for pulling away and needing my space. "

I just wanted to say that you have given me a great deal of insight and support in the forum, but understand supporters tend to come on here when times are rough. Yes, PTSD is a real bitch. And I have lamented quite a bit recently about the man I love shutting me out without any word or explanation recently.

But please know, if he is gone from my life I will never regret the time I had with him. And, honestly, he will leave a huge hole. I believe his tendency is to push people away to protect them. But, we are adults. We choose to be with our sufferers. Everyone has issues or baggage. Mine told me about his PTSD and I chose to stay. Every day we make a choice to stay. Just like in any non-PTSD relationship.

I cannot tell you what to do, but I have seen how much you try to help others on here. These people see something in you, just like I see what I see in my man. The human condition is chaos, in opinion. The best you can do is live day by day and hold on to those close to you. Non-PTSD men have hurt me with intent, I have never seen that with PTSD. It's all a crap shoot.

If you have found people that care about you, know you are lucky. Don't short change yourself OR devalue the people in your lives' choice. If you still feel you have to push them away, please talk to them first. You are cared for, that's all any of us can hope for in this life.

I hope things get easier for you. I wish only the best.
 
I know my self esteem is in the toilet. I honestly don't believe I have any good qualities and as such, if someone wants to be in my life I think that there must be something wrong with them to choose me when they could do better.....so so so much better. And then the feelings of being a burden kicks in and I know they are going to get sick of me and leave so I push them away first. I lost all my friends when I was diagnosed. I'm not strong enough to go through that again.

Like this current guy friend of mine. I've known him for 3 years. I've only slept with him twice, but I know that I've now completely taken sex out of the equation, I'll never hear from him again. Oh well. I guess that'll prove he only wanted one thing.

I don't know if I'll ever get past this feeling of being damaged beyond repair. I don't honestly seeing someone else lowering their standards so low as to want me in their life.
 
If you only had sex twise in 3 years, he isn't there only for the sex. I can't speak to how strong he is or isn't, but I hope he proves to be a good one. They are few and far between.

I do understand having low self-worth. I know its different, but I was obese for years. Now I've lost the weight, but still have major food issues. I have serious issues with why any man would want to be with me. I have a horrible body, have a really hard talking about my feelings, often just shut down, and have huge trust issues. As in I dont trust anyone to really care about me and don't trust my own instincts about people. I know I am damaged. I am not a happy-go-lucky kind of girl. But I do try to be a good person, try not to deliberately hurt anyone.

I kept people away from me for over 10 years. Only in the last 3-4 years haveI started letting people again. And, ya know what? Sometimes it sucks, but sometimes people surprise you.

If the man I'm inlove with doesn't come back I do not know if I can let another one in, but I can't regret my time with him.

I don't really know you, but from what I can tell you have a kind soul. And that's not always easy to find. Personally, I think everyone is damaged. Its all in degrees.

I hope you don't shut yourself off. I think you have a lot to offer. I'm here anytime if you want to talk.
 
I do understand having low self-worth.

I don't really know you, but from what I can tell you have a kind soul. And that's not always easy to find. Personally, I think everyone is damaged. Its all in degrees.

I hope you don't shut yourself off. I think you have a lot to offer. I'm here anytime if you want to talk.

Thanks for your reply. I apologized to him and tried to explain the situation. So far, no response. I don't know if I'll hear from him and that's ok I guess. I don't have any choice in the matter.

I just feel damaged beyond what someone would be willing to deal with. First it was PTSD/depression now throw sexual issues on top of that. I don't feel that I have anything to offer anyone.
 
My behavior is harmful and damaging. It is not fair to subject someone else to the isolating and the flashbacks and all the other stuff that comes along for the ride. It isn't fair to make them deal with the roller coaster of good days and bad days.

I've read enough about the other side to know how much pain we can cause those around us. I can't do that to anyone anymore. The guilt is too great. I couldn't stand knowing that I'm bringing someone down when they could be happy elsewhere with someone else.
 
I know firsthand the distraught feeling of... well feeling deeply that I have been reluctantly pulled form under my comfortable rock of isolation... only to be left squinting into the sun. The thing is this: each & every time I isolate myself... someone always tried to drag me out from under that shroud. However, my reclusive time has made me pale, if not weak, with regards to how adroitly I can navigate &/or appreciate these relationships. I seem so strong, so independent, because I don't seem to want or need anyone. Yet, I feel weak, exposed, uncertain, & vulnerable as these people persistently try to have me reveal myself to & for them. Then, & it seems like suddenly, I am told I am distant & callous because I don't seem to need or want anyone. I feel like the same traits that have attracted them, I am now being chastised for. It seems paradoxical. It's not that simple tho. These people are trying to tell me so. Trying to tell me what they like about me, trying to garner some response, but I hear only their criticisms & disappointment in my reticence & it spurs my mental, emotional, & or physical departure. These people leave &/or I push them away... & frankly, I feel burned. I want to repeat that... "I feel burned". Very burned. Burned by them, & primarily by allowing myself to be dragged into the light or that exposure to begin with.

I realize that if I was a tad more "available" or I kept a more even "tan", my "skin" would be more conditioned & less likely to burn under their attention &/or affection. I'm not saying a healthy dose of SPF protection isn't prudent, it's just... maybe if I didn't keep myself so pale, or protected & isolated, I wouldn't be so easy to "burn" &/or perhaps it wouldn't be so severe. Ya know, moderation & all that.

I don't wanna come of like a charlatan here. I'm a freakin' disaster. Do I feel worthy or valid of their attention & affection? Honestly... no. Does that mean they don't feel I am valid or worthy of it? It does not. Does it also mean they won't feel rejected, dejected, or even somewhat distraught, if I discount that & push them away &/or walk away to resume my isolation? Absolutely not. Sometimes people just don't care that you are a mess. Sometimes they just... want to watch the sun set & rise again... while holding your sloppy, sweaty, & pallid hand.

I think everyone is just suggesting moderation. I hope things work out well, 7/or improve for you... even if or when they get worse for awhile. Try to think of it as "conditioning" your "skin" I suppose. I know these are not exactly pearls of wisdom I'm offering from the sands under the sun. I also know dealing with the turmoil such, is no day at the beach.
 
Luke, I'm not like you. I don't have people who like me just as I am and accept my flaws. They only like me when I'm able to fake being normal. When an episode hits, they are either nowhere to be found or tell me to take care of my own crap because its none of their concern.

I could isolate forever and nobody would care or even notice. That's just an example of how far gone I am. I was only talking to one guy and he's gone now. I don't blame him though as it was expected given the circumstances.
 
I'm not sure anyone accepts me. I just know, every once & awhile they like having me around. I also know I will sabotage things at times so they won't. I'm also on the cusp of desiring extreme isolation about 70% of the time. I fight it, but at times I don't even know what I'm fighting for. I just want to wish you well, & I express that I hope things improve for you. I just mean to empathize, & I certainly don't mean to impose.
 
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