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Relationship Communication Problems

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I would like to point out that this could be a male versus female communication style issue. Men are often more direct. I have heard plenty of men complain that women aren't more direct. My husband and I have this issue and I am the one with PTSD, but he gets very frustrated when I don't "give a straight answer." I could see him totally behaving the way your vet does if he had PTSD.

I don't know if this helps much, but my husband is very much an intellectual and I think that it is a huge part of why he gets so upset over a lack of direct answers.
 
Okay. I am going to be blunt. I do HATE, HATE, HATE not getting a straightfoward answer though I am a civilian. To be very honest a answer like yours would have annoyed me a bit.

But then I think he was still wrong to bark at you that way and I would have told him that you don't want to be talked like that. Maybe wait until both are a little bit calmer and then tell him that you want him to find a way to make sure this does not happen again.
 
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BUT... the other day I was doing exactly that with a series of rapid fire instructions involving switching a motor on and off. I'm calling out "yep" every time he tells me to turn it on or off - especially important I think due to the noise of the motor and I'm mentally patting myself on the back for remembering and doing so well when he yells out "Stop gobbing off and just f*cking do it". I say "but you told me to always answer you?" and he replies "why do you always have to push back and f*cking argue? can't you just for once f*cking do what you're told when you're told?"

I would ask him - in a friendly way - how you are supposed to act around him because whatever you do., you seem to get it wrong.

Please don't get me wrong for asking that question... does he have TBI?
 
I've been pleasantly surprised that (so far) no-one has replied to the this thread saying "He is an abusive jerk and you should leave him." I was half expecting that.

And that is partly why we bring these rants here, rather than to 'real life' friends and family who probably would react that way, as they don't understand.

I don't do confrontation. Never have. When he mouths off, I walk off. When I'm confined with no escape (as you said in the car) I just stop responding. Without any response he just winds down, like a clockwork toy, he runs out of energy to rant. I don't engage or respond unless I have to, or until he is totally calm.

I know that would probably wind some sufferers up more, but it's what works for us, and that's what this is all about isn't it.
 
I've been there in your situation! Can't say anything right, can't do anything right! It's a tough road to navigate, the feeling of walking on eggshells. I usually walk away, give us both some time to cool off, rethink thoughts, recollect. Lots of hugs and love!!
 
Please, forgive me if I am wrong and truly know I sympathise deeply with you but here's a sad thought.

I don't think it may have mattered what you had said or what the subject was. I can identify deeply with your Vet, God help him. I have a similar kind of PTSD, It is literally often like a huge build up of static electricity or a tornado that's cycling up and up and up in force I guess, just waiting to blow.

Often, at home for me, it all builds up internally, and then, over something trivial, ironically, like a word or the way something is said or relayed to me or a suddden noise, then BOOM !! Off to never-never land. Not violent thank God but loud and pretty frightening to behold to the unfamiliarised who don't understand PTSD. You remember Lee Ermey's character Gunny Hartman in FMJ and in his repreise in the Frighteners? It often gets said at home that's what I am like at my worst. I am not proud of it, i am deeply ashamed to my guts. I can't justify it. It is devestating and will no doubt destroy the happier, domestic part of my life that I desperately need and make those thoroughly miserable around me who will most likely, ultimately leave me and who could blame them. it took me years of self-watching to even get to know it, to feel it coming, to even try to tame it. I confess that literally, I have to carry a lawyer's number with me at the very worst times, we call them solicitors over here, in case it triggers in public and I get 'detained', although, thank God, law enforcement over here have great sympathy for PTSD God bless them. Add to that my guilt as a Christian for even acting this way at all. God is one friend I can't afford to lose.

I have learned through this happening hundreds of times now that for me it is honestly the heartbreaking and soul destroying inability to be able to physically go back to the actual situation, the root of it all, that stinking Godless moment - to intervene, to save, equalize, set the garbage straight, even the odds, change things, make right, get an answer, help my brother etc.... The kind of massive negative force and sheer internal pressure that kind of denied living generates could and should never be underestimated or ignored. It is a constant struggle. Go easy on the guy, go easy on yourself. Sometimes there are just no right words to say. In the light of what some of us have seen, words are often useless. Sometimes, just the precious joy of having another human who loves me, being beside me in the same room, even with them knowing all the horror of my experience that they wan't to be there with me by choice, that is a miracle, that is a miracle.
 
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@J.Nem - Thank you for taking the time to respond in detail. I think you are exactly right - he is doing all he can humanly do to control his reactions. Intellectually I know that its not really me and that nothing I said or did at that moment would have avoided his blow up. But knowing that doesn't stop me feeling hurt when it happens. Especially when it comes out of "nowhere" for me.

We've talked about it in calm moments and he has acknowledged that his "cranky" behaviour is something he really struggles with. At other times he gets defensive and asks why anger is the one emotion no-one is allowed to show. I don't think he realises how frightening it can be for me.

Had to smile reading your post about carrying a lawyer's number with you - in a typical kink of cosmic irony I AM a solicitor! ;)

it is honestly the heartbreaking and soul destroying inability to be able to physically go back to the actual situation, the root of it all, that stinking Godless moment

I know my vet would understand exactly the feeling you are talking about - he told me once that its like a constant itch inside his head - one he can't scratch because he cannot go back and change what happened.

I hope you have told your loved ones what you've told the forum. Don't underestimate their love for you. I keep telling my vet that I can get through the blow ups as long as on his "good" days he shows me as much affection as he can manage. Give your loved ones as much as you can when you can and they will hold on through the times when you just can't give them anything but the hate and bile that overflows.

Hugs if you accept them.:hug:
 
Thanks for the kind and sincere reply to my post. I appreciate that. Thank you for the genuine advice too - I did indeed honestly try that tonight - to show deliberate love and thanks and appreciation to my loved ones, yesterday was not a good day and they got their feelings hurt. It was something silly - a war photographer was launching her new book on breakfast tv here and they were showing stills from the book. There was one photograph - infantry platoon coming out of a contact of some kind and I was just held and gripped by the picture and just at that moment, one of my family grabbed the remote and brought up an onscreen menu across the picture. It just broke me, set me off. I couldn't see how anyone could trivialise the purity of that desperate moment in the picture by messing with the remote because they wanted the magazine program on the other channel. I just freaked. No warning, no build up. They had their feelings hurt and as you truthfully say, our level of anger is a whole different level compared to most people. Looking back, there was my priority and their priority, my family's choice was just as important as mine, I see that now. Life and death to me was just a picture to them. It wasn't personal. We are all different. As you said of your Vet, it is that 'itch', we have it, others don't.

I hope your guy shows you he cares, I am sure he does. With PTSD, the good times can ironically be super real and intense as it seems to make you want to just exist right in the good moments because sometimes they are so far apart in their frequency. Try to get him to really live for the great and happy moments, stuff he really wants to do, the good can overwrite the bad sometimes. Thank you for the hugs which I greatfully accept - I can tell you after yesterday, they will be the only ones I will be getting for a long while in our house!!.Thinking of you both tonight. God bless.
 
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Is it possible that your family member deliberately brought up the menu in a misguided attempt to shield you from what you were seeing? I know I hate it when we come across a TV show about one of my vet's wars. He will often watch it but I know it means he won't sleep that night - and neither will I - due to his nightmares. I know enough to know not to try and "distract" him from the show, but perhaps your family member doesn't realise that yet.

Or maybe your family member just doesn't get it. My vet's sister - who loves him dearly - says things like "Well, he can't use that excuse forever". I'd love to know if she would say that if he had epilepsy or diabetes. Sigh!

My dad and his 3 brothers are combat vets. I grew up thinking that level of anger was normal. So in some ways I am used to it, but on the other hand it can kind of "hit a nerve" with me and reduce me to that small child who was so frightened of her daddy.

In any event I encourage you to verbalise as much as you can with your family. I get that you are trying to SHOW them how you feel but a lot of people need to hear it said. If you can explain to your family member how much the image meant to you and WHY you were upset that moment was broken and then apologise for over-reacting, well then you've done all you can do.

As far as hugs go - have you tried asking for them? If my vet is "cranky" I will avoid him to try and give him space to resettle. Often he will come and ask me for a cuddle which is very gratefully given and received. :hug:
 
I hope the sufferers don't get us wrong by reading the responses we have on these types of threads when we are venting about episodes like this. We love our vets dearly, and that means every scar and every quirk that comes with them. We understand WHY these outbursts happen. If we thought for one second our loved ones were mean ole b*stards we wouldn't be working so hard to make our relationships work. We come here to vent to others who know what it is like to go through this, and to lick our own wounds and deal with our own issues. Sometimes when you are awash in a sea of somebody else's PTSD, you need a little sympathy and understanding for your feelings too.

We can't very well talk to our sufferers about our hurt feelings, because it would do nothing but send them into a spiral of self-loathing. What we are doing here is trying to get the support we need that we cannot get from them. We need to commiserate with people who "get it."
 
@J.Nem Thank you so much for your courage and kindness in coming on this thread to share with us supporters what your world looks like. It means a lot to me, as I try to understand how my vet most needs me to love him, that a stranger across the world would share his thoughts and problems with us. I learned a lot from what you wrote.
God is one friend I can't afford to lose.
And don't worry about that. I don't think God expects you to be perfect, just to be as kind as you can. Keep hugging and talking to the ones you love whenever you can. I'm sure their hugs will come back to you soon. I wish you blessings!
 
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