I'm interested in hearing from other people abused by their fathers

I'm sorry you've been through so much, sidptitala.

I've barely shared anything outside of my family of origin (which has sadly resulted in greater distance from them), but when the subject of my father has come up elsewhere people have generally assumed that we must be close and that "deep down, he meant well..." It's so far from the reality of my experience, which makes me feel gaslighted and unseen. He was sadistic, played psychological mind games and enjoyed what he did. He took no interest in my development or wellbeing, but was charming and liked to pretend to play the doting father outside of closed doors. Society doesn't want to know about it. To a certain extent I get it, fathers aren't supposed to be like that and it sounds far-fetched. People have no frame of reference for it because it's usually just so far away from their own experience with their fathers.

I think because fathers are traditionally seen as the 'head of the family' (mine definitely was), to defy the natural order of things and speak out about abuse doesn't sit well with other family members. I'm just starting to process how dysfunctional the whole thing is (to "smell and taste the dead rat" as Irene Lyon has described it) and how it has perpetuated my shame response. It's impossible to have any meaningful connection with family when they minimise your experiences and distance themselves.

Any natural anger I might have felt about what was happening to me was quickly intimidated out of me by my father, so it left me with no healthy sense of indignation and self-preservation. I think healthy fathers are generally seen as protectors and can help their children nurture good enough self-esteem, so I've definitely felt a huge lack in that area.

As time goes on I find so much romanticism about fatherhood so disgusting. Maybe this is a problem or maybe I'm seeing what no one else sees? Either way I feel a lot of pressure from family and also from society to make learning to love him the central project of my life. Do other people feel this way?

I think it's something that people don't see when it's working to their benefit, simply because they don't have to. If their own fathers are treating them well enough, or if they've compartmentalised any abuse, then there's no need for their brains to go down that uncomfortable path. I think finding it disgusting is actually a healthy response when you've been abused by your own father. Society massively enables abusive behaviour by elevating people's parental status. I think it confuses the importance of active, well-intentioned parenting with the simple title of 'parent'. It allowed my father to neglect my needs and yet somehow still get praised for being a 'father'. I'm with you on this one, the romanticism is disgusting.

I feel safer on the street at 3am than in a room with a man with a closed door, especially when I don't know where the exits are- does anyone else feel this way?

Yes, absolutely. I often feel guilty for it too because I know that most men are safe and that I was just really unlucky to have my father. When I worked in offices I was always tense because my nervous system incorrectly sensed a threat and would want me to get out of there.
 
You're right about showing a different face in public. Our family went to church every Sunday and we appeared a "balanced" family. No one knew what was going on behind closed doors. (Back in the 70's, these things were "family business " and not to leave the house.
 
I'm sorry you've been through so much, sidptitala.

I've barely shared anything outside of my family of origin (which has sadly resulted in greater distance from them), but when the subject of my father has come up elsewhere people have generally assumed that we must be close and that "deep down, he meant well..." It's so far from the reality of my experience, which makes me feel gaslighted and unseen. He was sadistic, played psychological mind games and enjoyed what he did. He took no interest in my development or wellbeing, but was charming and liked to pretend to play the doting father outside of closed doors. Society doesn't want to know about it. To a certain extent I get it, fathers aren't supposed to be like that and it sounds far-fetched. People have no frame of reference for it because it's usually just so far away from their own experience with their fathers.

I think because fathers are traditionally seen as the 'head of the family' (mine definitely was), to defy the natural order of things and speak out about abuse doesn't sit well with other family members. I'm just starting to process how dysfunctional the whole thing is (to "smell and taste the dead rat" as Irene Lyon has described it) and how it has perpetuated my shame response. It's impossible to have any meaningful connection with family when they minimise your experiences and distance themselves.

Any natural anger I might have felt about what was happening to me was quickly intimidated out of me by my father, so it left me with no healthy sense of indignation and self-preservation. I think healthy fathers are generally seen as protectors and can help their children nurture good enough self-esteem, so I've definitely felt a huge lack in that area.



I think it's something that people don't see when it's working to their benefit, simply because they don't have to. If their own fathers are treating them well enough, or if they've compartmentalised any abuse, then there's no need for their brains to go down that uncomfortable path. I think finding it disgusting is actually a healthy response when you've been abused by your own father. Society massively enables abusive behaviour by elevating people's parental status. I think it confuses the importance of active, well-intentioned parenting with the simple title of 'parent'. It allowed my father to neglect my needs and yet somehow still get praised for being a 'father'. I'm with you on this one, the romanticism is disgusting.



Yes, absolutely. I often feel guilty for it too because I know that most men are safe and that I was just really unlucky to have my father. When I worked in offices I was always tense because my nervous system incorrectly sensed a threat and would want me to get out of there.

I don’t know how to compare what happened to me with what could have happened to me.

I used to think that because my father sexually abused me as a baby I was beyond repair, broken forever. Sometimes I still slip into that lie. It’s a lie that was helpful for me because it made me angry which gave me energy to survive.

But I noticed that it was pretty common for folks here who had been sexually abused and tortured to believe they were broken beyond repair regardless of who did it and what anyone’s gender was.

Also I don’t believe it’s possible to be broken at a fundamental level. Changed, yes, broken, no. I am not an object and as long as I’m alive I am able to grow and love something.
I know that I'm not "broken". But I often wonder who I was meant to be. My abuse started when I was so young. I see people with such more successful lives, and I wish I had been given the chance to have it too. I watch the T.V. and see actors and Politian's that are doing so much with their lives and are much younger than me. With college degrees and successful careers. I look back and can't even see myself being a "successful" person.

Last father's day, I listened to my father telling the whole family how proud he was of all of us - with our "college degrees' and "wonderful careers." (I finally had to leave the room, so I said that I needed to get a Coke and left.)
 
Either way I feel a lot of pressure from family and also from society to make learning to love him the central project of my life. Do other people feel this way?
My love life is trash because of my dad. He's not a good example to follow in relationships. And yeah, there are certain men when they tell me what to do or they raise their voice, I shrink back. My grandma tells me all the time he's just being a dad. More like making me feel like a child.

Yes, my grandma, my dad's mom makes me feel guilty about cutting ties with him all the time. For a while, she was asking me to go hug him or say goodbye. I only do it to get her off my back anymore. And I feel guilty because he wants to hang out, but then I remember he breaks boundaries and that is not okay. In my family, my dad only cares about music and his "friend" girlfriend, and it sucks because he puts that above family. But my family let's him and I'm the one ostracized.

You're not alone in this battle of assertiveness. My little tip: trying doing something small outside your comfort zone. It builds confidence.
 
I have run out of time to reply right now, but intend to come back to this later. I do feel there can be differences in how it impacts you, if it's your father. I know it impacted me greatly.
 
I see people with such more successful lives, and I wish I had been given the chance to have it too. I watch the T.V. and see actors and Politian's that are doing so much with their lives and are much younger than me. With college degrees and successful careers. I look back and can't even see myself being a "successful" person.
For what it’s worth I think these feelings are more related to wealth disparity and the illusions/desires spun by the media. Fairly certain that many many people wish they had more successful lives and blaming it on circumstances in the past is very common. It may or may not be true but also trauma doesn’t guarantee you will miss out on anything in life. Most people have to face themselves and their past in some way or another. Trauma does create obstacles but they are not necessarily insurmountable and your life is not necessarily hopeless.
 
My love life is trash because of my dad. He's not a good example to follow in relationships. And yeah, there are certain men when they tell me what to do or they raise their voice, I shrink back. My grandma tells me all the time he's just being a dad. More like making me feel like a child.

Yes, my grandma, my dad's mom makes me feel guilty about cutting ties with him all the time. For a while, she was asking me to go hug him or say goodbye. I only do it to get her off my back anymore. And I feel guilty because he wants to hang out, but then I remember he breaks boundaries and that is not okay. In my family, my dad only cares about music and his "friend" girlfriend, and it sucks because he puts that above family. But my family let's him and I'm the one ostracized.

You're not alone in this battle of assertiveness. My little tip: trying doing something small outside your comfort zone. It builds confidence.
I can certainly relate to your issues. My dad is still alive at 98 years old! I don't know what I will feel when he goes...will it be relief or sadness? I have multiple abusers, some that I don't even know their name or face. I convinced myself to believe they are all gone - except my dad. (I know that all of them will have to face their own Judgement Day.)

For now, I have to just hug him and make the family think I still love him. Yuck ! Our family is very skilled at making you feel guilty - for anything. Especially if you try to do something good for yourself.
 
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