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Relationship It's Not You, It's Me

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Ecl84

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Hey all!

I've recently started dating a man who has PSTD.

Things have been slightly rocky between us lately as his cup has been majorly overflowing. I could see that he was doing better when things first started between us (we work together, so I knew of his struggles with stress before we started seeing each other), but then some drama happened between other coworkers and now he's retreated into his bubble. I was always ok with this before because he would still come to me to vent and discuss what was going on. Now that we have a personal relationship, he still comes to me at work but outside of work he doesn't. He'll disappear, not reply to texts or answer calls.

We talked today and I told him of my worries about our relationship, that I felt he was pushing me away or was becoming uninterested. He admitted that he has distanced himself a bit because he likes me more than he thought he would at this stage in our relationship. He also explained his need for space from everyone/everything when he's feeling overly stressed. Basically "it's not you, it's me". He told me not to worry or get upset because it adds to his stress.

While I understand his reasons and explanation, I'm having a hard time with not thinking he's being this way because of me or something I did.

Those of you with experience, how do you deal when your partner distances themselves? Is it something that just takes time to get used to?
 
Hi, welcome!

As a trauma survivor, this probably sounds weird to you, but we're one of the few groups of people who actually often mean it when we play the "it's not you, it's me" card. From what information you've given us, it actually sounds like he's got a bit of experience in managing his symptoms and knowing his limits/boundaries. Something that took me quite a while to learn is that when I'm triggered and there's too much stress on me, I can't just power on. I have to accept that I'm going to be a little fragile for a time and take the appropriate time out from everything. Everyone needs some alone time... it's just that with PTSD sufferers, the consequences of not getting it are more severe!

It's good that he's been honest with you and told you about what he needs, though that doesn't invalidate how you feel at all. Perhaps when he's managed to get on top of his stress again, you could have a non-intense discussion about how you can work for the best of both of you. Maybe you could establish a good communication system for him to tell you that he needs some space, and work out how much contact is appropriate during that time. In return maybe he could text or call on occasion, just to simply remind you that he's still there, and so you can fill each other in on how you're doing?

I wish you all the best :)
 
Thank you for the reply!

We have talked about my needs vs his. I've explained how it makes me feel, and that when he needs time out a quick text telling me would make a world of difference. His response was that he knows he should be putting me first, but it's not always possible, that when the moment hits he doesn't think about anything else but retreating. When asked what he needs from me, he just asked that I stay calm and not push him during those times.

My last relationship was extremely bad, and I freak out when I don't hear from someone or get any replies. I can't seem to get a handle on that.
 
Hi @Ecl84 and welcome. What you've described sounds a little like my situation. My guy always tries to give me an idea of what's going on with him when he's struggling, and we are slowly getting better at communicating when this happens.

Like yourself, my last relationship was pretty awful and that makes it hard for me to trust people now. So naturally when he becomes distant, I freak out. I have freaked out more times than I care to mention. But we have almost hit the 6 month mark in our relationship now, and it's getting easier as we find ways to accommodate each other's needs.

For me, it has been essential to have a strong support base to help me through difficult times. I have a couple of close friends, family members and my own therapist - and the community on this forum, all of whom help me to work through my own issues, and help me to understand what's happening and react appropriately, when it gets really hard.

Things should get better in time - IF he is active in his recovery. It sounds like he is doing a pretty good job of managing his symptoms. But a relationship with a PTSD sufferer is never going to be a walk in the park. I do recommend that you seek the support of a therapist for yourself, if you don't already have one. I wish you all the best.
 
When a PTSD sufferer is isolating, they cannot deal with their own needs, much less your needs. That's why they are isolating. It is a coping mechanism.

So to answer your question, it is just something that you get used to... but in the meantime, it can wreak havoc on your sanity if you let it get the best of you. The best thing you can do is learn to relax and occupy yourself while your sufferer isolates. PTSD sufferers isolate. Seriously. It's not about you, so you have to let it go. If you think it is about you every time, your self esteem is going to get flushed.

You can manage the isolation periods easier with some communication and boundaries. My sufferer and I have a system worked out, and it has made things a lot easier. Firstly, he has to let me know he needs space. He can not just vanish off the face of the Earth so I worry that he is dead in a ditch somewhere. Secondly, once he lets me know he needs space, I have to give it to him. That means I leave him alone. For real. No texting, no calling, no stopping by. However, he agrees to shoot me an "I'm alive text" every few days so I don't worry about him. I, in return don't try to turn that "I'm alive" text into a conversation. I don't reply until he is ready,(like he will say "hey" or "hello" instead of "I'm alive"). He also knows that if he is gone for an extended period of time with no contact, I will consider the relationship over. I cannot sit and fret over him for weeks or months and still consider it a healthy relationship.

It's not ideal... in fact, isolation is pretty sucky. I'm sure it is suckier for them though. It's just one of those things that you have to learn to deal with in a PTSD relationship.
 
All the replies on here pretty much describe what it's like. I'm going through it with my sufferer right now. It's pretty bad for him. He does send a "hey" text every few days . I let him know I'm still here. If he asks how I am, I let him know I'm ok. It's hard. In my case he's long distance. In one respect it's harder because I can't ever just see him or check on him. I think the long distance works for him because he isolates.

It works for both of us because we are both recently coming off previous long term relationships. We had dated for a few years on and off in our 20s, we are now in our 50s. It was long distance back then too, but drivable, now we have to fly to see each other. Back then I assumed his behavior was distance and lack of reliable transportation. Now I know it was ptsd.

Anyway, I don't have any support system except this forum. I have 2 close friends but one is dealing with her own very recent trauma, the death of her young daughter. The other is just spread very thin, 2 very close friends with stage 4 breast cancer. I'm looking into counseling, just to have someone to talk to.

If you are lucky enough to have family and friends to busy yourself with during periods of isolation, take advantage of it. It's hard not to take it personally, I do it all the time, but when he checks in I know he's trying. And that gives me some relief. I know for me it would be easier if I had other people but I don't. What I am doing is trying to work on myself. I'm starting a nutri system diet and made a plan to get more exercise. I recently adopted a year old rescue dog, who's had his own traumas. He runs away when I reach out to him, but if I let him come to me he's extremely affectionate and loving. Walking him is part of my exercise plan. I'm planning to take as much overtime as I can get at work so I can pay off my car and timeshare early. These are examples of things I can do for me to improve my life that are positive things. They will help the time pass while I wait for my sufferer as he deals with his stuff. And they are things I'm doing for me that will make me feel good about myself.

I try to imagine how bad it must be for him that he has to withdraw like this. I can't imagine though. Its very hard to wrap my head around it, no matter how much I read or chat with people on here. I do feel like giving up sometimes, but somehow, he seems to sense when I get to that point and I get a text. Sigh. It's worth it to me at this point though. I can't explain why, he's just different than anyone I've met and worth the struggle for now. So I'll continue to look for ways to cope while I wait. Welcome to the forum, I think you'll find it very helpful.
 
Hi @Ecl84 and welcome to this insanely helpful little corner of the web. :)

I'm just gonna start at the very end of your message because it probably is one of the biggest questions everyone here has been/is struggling with.
Is it something that just takes time to get used to?
Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes.
The human brain in love is pretty much wired to want, need or even expect the exact opposite of long periods of no contact. In an ideal Hollywood-esque relationship, those just don't exist. Add the Beast to the mix, though, and "ideal" is not something that's just anywhere near being on the menu.
Being with a person with PTSD basically puts you into a 3-way relationship: You, them, and PTSD - and there will be times when the trauma becomes a right bed-hog and there just won't be any room for you in there.

Sounds horrible, I know, BUT!

The good news is, you can and will get used to it, and the two of you seem to be on a better path than many. He's told you what he needs (and as others have mentioned before, unlike most other cases, "it's not you, it's me" most likely is the truth in a situation like yours), he's aware of and open about his problems and needs, and you're here because you actually understood what he was trying to say and are taking action, seeking support before having to do something that inheretently feels wrong (leaving them alone) can drive you bonkers. Huge thumbs-up for all that! :tup:

Yes, it hurts to be shut out, especially if you're the only one. Yeah, even once you've gotten used to it, there'll always be times of "weakness" where the questions will resurface and you'll wonder if he ever really cared, if it was all a big joke to him, if he's ever going to come back, if there even IS a way back from all of this, if you're really ready to handle a relationship with this kind of additional baggage, etc.

You'll also make mistakes. Maybe even big ones. There's no telling what they really need, even when they tell you they need to be left alone.
Yes, they certainly DO need time then, but there's no way (for you or them) to tell how much, or whether it's complete silence they react best to, or the occasional gentle (no-pressure) reminder that you're still there and will be around whenever they feel ready to talk works better. PTSD tends to screw with a person's sense of self-worth quite a lot, so some might even push you away for your own good but really need you to fight tooth and nail for them.

Whichever path you choose, it's a shot in the dark. You might luck out and find the right one, or you might make it a whole lot worse - but that's what makes us human, and that's one of the main things you need to keep in mind: You're only human, and you need to make mistakes in order to learn from them.
Don't beat yourself up when you think you've done something wrong. Chances are it wasn't anywhere near as bad as you may think it was - but getting nothing but silence back, no matter what you do, will leave a brain free to roam into the realms of chaos, guilt and worst-case-scenarios.
Try to keep it distracted or those kinds of thoughts will drive you nuts (been there, done that, can't get rid of the hideous T-shirt).

This next part I'm now gonna write from the POV of someone with PTSD because even though I live it every day, it can be a bit hard to understand, even for me.
I've got my own Beast to handle, so I can say this next bit with some certainty: Love is stress. Maybe even one of the biggest stressors out there.
You go through life with your walls and your coping-mechanisms, all of which you've built up in order to protect yourself, and suddenly someone comes along and plows right through them all. Love does the one thing that's almost impossible to handle: It makes you vulnerable.
You want it, you crave it, you enjoy it - but above all, you fear it.
Still you do whatever you can to keep it in your life because it's one of the very few things that bring light into the swamp - until something else pops up, adds to the stress of trying to NOT run screaming from your own vulnerability, the infamous cup overflows all over the place and every wall, every fence, every moat shoots back up in an instant and everything turns into nothing less than a fight for your life.
In times like those, the first thing that needs to go is the one that poses the biggest threat to your defenses: The one person who's proven to be able to tear them all down.

Crazy long story short: It'll happen. It'll hurt (him as much as you), and it'll be hard to bear, but it CAN and WILL get better as you both learn to handle it. You need to do what he's doing, really, and put yourself first. PTSD is a bit of a selfish diagnosis, a sufferer will need to focus on themselves in order to survive, and a carer will have to learn to do the same or the Beast is likely to swallow them both.

You've come to the right place here. Every story may be different, but deep down, they're all alike. Read a lot, ask a lot, rant and rave as much as you need to, and find inspiration from the unbelievably strong men and women around here who have been or are where you or your guy are now.
Do whatever is needed to take care of yourself and keep you sane through the hard times and don't give up. It might take some time, but his stress-levels will drop again, and then he'll need you to be whole, not broken by carer's fatigue.

Again: You guys are on the right path. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a good and speedy outcome for you. We may never be able to tell what the future holds or how things like these ultimately turn out, but my docs are telling this eternal pessimist to adopt a glass-half-full attitude at least some of the time, so I'm gonna do that for you. You're strong, you're doing the right thing, and you deserve a happy ending. :)

Take care (of yourself),
~Owl
 
Re: Getting used to the distancing....

Some supporters can't get used to the distance. They NEED that constant interaction. If this is how you are, then there is nothing wrong with that! Some supporters get used to the distance or are OK with the distance, but others, not so much. If you need more consistent and regular interaction, then please don't feel like there is something wrong with you, because not everybody gets used to the distance. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the distance issue may be around for the entire relationship (in one capacity or another), so if you want to be with this person, then yes, it is something you will need to learn to accept on one level or another, as it doesn't do either one of you any good to have a rift in your relationship due to a basic need on both of your ends.
 
Wow! Thank you so much for all the amazing replies!

I'm definitely the type of person that needs interaction. He just let me know that we won't be spending New Years eve together (not PSTD related) and I'm quite upset. This is the third cancellation in 2 weeks, and we haven't spent actual quality time together in almost 3 weeks. The fact that this is something that will likely happen quite often, I'm not sure if I'll be able to get used to it. It does make me feel better knowing this is a normal thing to be dealing with in this situation.

I guess time will tell if I'm going to be able to get used to his or not.
 
PTSD... We have a sku at work that we commonly use ending PSTD, I keep typing the wrong thing! Lol
 
I don't know if this is helpful, but though I (with ptsd) fully agree with the observations & statements others have made regarding relationships, & the stress cup, & isolating, this stands out to me:

Things have been slightly rocky between us lately as his cup has been majorly overflowing... then (my emphasis) some drama happened between other coworkers and now he's retreated into his bubble. I was always ok with this before because he would still come to me to vent and discuss what was going on. Now that we have a personal relationship, he still comes to me at work but outside of work he doesn't. He'll disappear, not reply to texts or answer calls.

I think this is salient to me for 2 reasons: the first is I've dealt with trying to manage my own ptsd for decades, & the last 5 or 6 years I've realized that the small details are the problem (the 'devil is in the details', truly). Those details, brush-over thoughts etc are often loaded with emotion, importance, even denial. They are the crux of the belief/ fear, way of viewing the past (my blame, what I think I've caused, etc).

The second reason is that (normally) if he comes to you he (likely) trusts you. If the drama between the co-workers triggered something that makes him feel (ultimately) so unsafe he cannot, whatever happened with those co-workers is the core. I had this happen at church (not work- in fact at work this Christmas I made sure I could avoid it, & got really lucky as a guy who'd tried to kiss me in the past etc got transferred. ). Anyways, all I know is the end result is I told myself, "it's no big deal", then ended up feeling like my clothes are on fire to get out of there. Lots of fear, sadness. No 'right' (in my mind) to tell anyone what I saw (especially since I have been put in much worse positions, plus this is more wht I saw & re: others). Total meltdown nonetheless, & I probably hurt others' feelings. :(
 
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