Political Venting

[gorgonzola]

Interesting. I wonder if the toddler was you and subjected to a lifetime of flashbacks, trauma, most likely disability and more whether you would feel the same way.

We each have our own traumas here and no, I wouldn't particularly care to have mine or reminders of it on national news.

I find it so interesting that people are actually fighting for perpetrators.

I don't see anyone fighting for perps. Where are they?

 

[anthony]

In youtube look for a video by 'America Uncovered' that was created 3 years ago called 'How the World Economic Forum Controls the World - Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset.

Just link them here. Relevant to the discussion.

 

[shimmerz]

I wouldn't particularly care to have mine or reminders of it on national news.

Every day would be a reminder after being raped as a toddler I would expect. And it is actually the role of the media to inform public debate so the audience can make informed decisions. If the media is not letting me know something that is relevent to such a highly charged issue, I am going to stand my ground and say that whether you realize it or not - it is their duty. If they don't follow that duty, they should be replaced by media outlets that will provide a balanced pov.

I don't see anyone fighting for perps. Where are they?

Throwing bottles and ice at the ICE agents? And you think that is reasonable? Come on. What do people think is going to happen?

I just finished watching The Press Briefing. If CL is correct, 70% of the people being pulled in by ICE agents are criminals. The problem with the way this is being put out there is that some very serious crimes are not being categorized as violent - which include drug trafficking, distribution of child porn, burglary, fraud, DUI, solicitation of a minor in human smuggling to name a few.

You think non citizens doing such things belong in the USA? I sure don't.

 

[anthony]

I think some of the problem is the lack of respect for law enforcement. That isn't as big an issue here in Australia, but it seems a significant issue in America. All cops worldwide get some level of shit, but that level has significant deviations from country to country.

 

[LuckiLee]

I have multiple family members in law enforcement. The media is their enemy. They flip everything around and blame officers before getting evidence or facts. By then the damage is done.

 

[Rose White]

When enforcement is uneven, as history shows us it has been in America—and this is a regional issue, from city to city—some people don’t experience law as protection.

 

[gorgonzola]

And it is actually the role of the media to inform public debate so the audience can make informed decisions. If the media is not letting me know something that is relevent to such a highly charged issue, I am going to stand my ground and say that whether you realize it or not - it is their duty. If they don't follow that duty, they should be replaced by media outlets that will provide a balanced pov.

I've already gone into why news media tends to highlight the sensational outliers rather than what represents the average data, while a balanced point of view requires appreciation of the average data rather than sensationalized outliers.

Throwing bottles and ice at the ICE agents? And you think that is reasonable?

I do? Where?

Case in point here: in your linked video, Fox is highlighting the one (alleged) outlier arrested for assault instead of the thousands of protesters and activists who haven't been alleged to have done anything to ICE agents who are the average. If you're watching reports like this one without further context then you get the impression of mass violent lawlessness which is entirely wrong, even if the reporting of events itself should prove to be entirely factual.

(And as to the quality of reporting: "These daily protests are really taking a toll on the local economy, especially small businesses and restaurants having a hard time. Local entrepreneurs trying to encourage people to buy local, many saying that this is worse for business than even COVID was" narrates the reporter. Cut to: woman explaining how a local restaurant is in fact being crippled by properly-documented and citizen workers being afraid to come to work for fear of being taken by ICE rather than making any mention at all of the protests by the Whipple Building).

 

[anthony]

News is biased as hell. Why? Because humans are doing it. Every human being has bias. It's just the level that changes.

 

[shimmerz]

I've already gone into why news media tends to highlight the sensational outliers rather than what represents the average data, while a balanced point of view requires appreciation of the average data rather than sensationalized outliers.

Then it is up to the viewer to find balance as a responsible citizen. If you know it is sensationlist and it is creating people who throw ice and bottles at cops...... the responsibility for an adult's actions are on the adults. Otherwise we can just call them children.

Case in point here: in your linked video, Fox is highlighting the one (alleged) outlier arrested for assault instead of the thousands of protesters and activists who haven't been alleged to have done anything to ICE agents who are the average. If you're watching reports like this one without further context then you get the impression of mass violent lawlessness which is entirely wrong, even if the reporting of events itself should prove to be entirely factual.

Interesting. I linked this one because it was impossible to find a video outside of my other network that gave a balanced reporting of the situation. which is exactly what I was pointing out..

Anyway, not at all interested in this spinning in circles sheist. You do you. I, as always, will do me. If given a compelling reason why violence on the streets is at all helpful or if someone can show me a balanced newsreel from msm that doesn't incite people into violent rages, I am open to that. Otherwise, shutting this down.

Be well. Happy raging.

 

[Grasping Hope]

I protested during the covid bs

So did I.

I never ONCE - blocked police, kicked their cars, shouted obscentities to the apparently 'opposing' sides who would hiss at us, spit at us, and tell us that they wanted our entire families to die

That's how it was. We were polite, considerate, inclusive, and kind to a fault. We were abused in a gazillion ways and were still kind. People still believe all kinds of crap about us because the media is biased.

I was part of the trucker protest in Ottawa.

Thank you.

I wasn't, but was involved in the peripheral protests in other parts of the country. Never saw one single racist, mysogynist, white supremacist, fringe minority with unacceptable views. It was basically a love fest.

The truckers cleaned the streets, fed the homeless, prayed, sang the national anthem, included all races and ethnicities, were polite to law enforcement, brought hope that ricocheted around the world, and put smiles on the faces of people in despair. They were heroes. I have this dream of seeing Tamara Lich as prime minister...:-)

Then the Emergencies Act was unlawfully enforced. This has now been confirmed by the court of appeal. And thugs were brought in to beat, trample, use tear gas, catch and release protestors far from the city in freezing temperatures, and I won't go on because it just makes me too angry. And the protestors still didn't respond with violence. I've read some of the comments on other threads by people who believe the media narrative about the convoy, shake my head and don't get involved. I just don't have the energy. I've been vilified enough already.

People should go on youtube and watch Freedom Convoy Tribute - Stand on Guard/O Canada if they think we were a fringe minority. Sorry, I don't know how to post a link without the video.

The media lie. They lie and lie and lie and then they lie some more. I think most still can't get their minds around just how much they lie. One thing I learned during COVID was that the mass hypnosis was so strong that I could not convince anyone of the truth while they were under its spell. So, I will not argue with anyone who is triggered by what I am writing here. There's no point. What I could do, though, was use my words to bring comfort and encouragement to people who could see the truth but were afraid to speak it. That's what I intend here, even though I have moved to a new phase of life and left politics behind me.

 

[Grasping Hope]

Then the Emergencies Act was unlawfully enforced

Sorry, I meant enacted.

 

[Sideways]

I think some of the problem is the lack of respect for law enforcement. That isn't as big an issue here in Australia, but it seems a significant issue in America.

My guess would be that Minneapolis likely has a population that is particularly suspicious of, and reactive to, a provocative law enforcement presence. George Floyd wasn’t that far back, and that would very likely have been experienced as a communal trauma for that specific population, enflamed by the way that it then sparked a global protest, irrespective of what side of the fence you’re on. A city living through something like that? The relationship with law enforcement will be particularly fraught, likely for a generation or two at least (and assuming they’re actively working on repairing the relationship over that time). That’s just how humans are.

So, it makes sense to me that the Minneapolis population in particular would find a provocative law enforcement presence, like ICE has been, particularly distressing, and that a persistent, visible law enforcement presence would generate a lot of reactivity in that particular city.

Regardless of whether you think the argument behind the protests are reasonable, it makes sense to me that, in this city in particular, the reactivity is particularly pronounced. It’s asking a lot of a population, hot on the heels of an experience like George Floyd’s death and the fallout, to calmly tolerate a provocative, protracted law enforcement presence calmly. Even assuming ICE has been behaving completely reasonably, humans go through experiences like that and they become afraid - for each other, as well as themselves. You trigger fear and suspicion in a population and they don’t behave calmly and compliantly - that’s just not how humans behave. American or otherwise.