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Its a long story, Ill try and be brief but if anyone could take the time to read it and help me I would really appreciate it as I am lost right now.

My boyfriend (Or currently ex boyfriend has been diagnosed with PTDS and Bi polar whilst serving in the Royal Navy after a tour in Afghanistan and on his return breakdown of a relationship.

His work life became a cycle of thinking he was ok and going back to work (male forces bravado) for the stress to then become too much and be signed back off. He ran up massive debts over £25K. He was receiving counselling provided by the navy and medication but I never took it, I also don't think he told the nurse everything that he was feeling.

I met him nearly three years ago and fell in love with him straight away. He was so much fun, we could talk for hours and hours. Things weren't right though. He told me that he was not at work because of depression, he told me little snippets of what was going on, just enough to appease me I think. He blew very hot and cold. A fantastic weekend together, then a text on Monday to say that he couldn't cope. This went on for 6 months. I assumed that it was me, that I wasn't good enough for him to want to be with me. I wasn't attractive enough, intelligent enough, fun enough etc, I actually thought that his behaviour was all down to his relationship break up. Little did I know he was coping with much much more.

After 6 months he asked me to be his girlfriend. I was so happy. Things were great between us for quite some time, although I always fund him to be a little distant and aloof. We endured time apart as he was based in Scotland Monday to Friday, would go on training courses for weeks at a time and in 2012 he serves 6 month in the gulf. During his time in the Gulf all medical help was stopped, no provisions were made for him out there. I knew he wasn't coping, was drinking a great deal and on sleeping tablets.He was sent home with stress and depression a month early and signed off sick, knowing that 6 months later he would be at the medical board for discharge.

The first week or so after his return was great, we spent all our time together and just slipped straight back in to being a couple. Then again he withdrew a little, he wouldn't reply to texts, made excuses not to come round, put cryptic statuses on facebook etc but when we were together it was completely the opposite?? again I though it was just how he was in relationships or he wasn't into me as much as I was into him.
He asked me how I felt about moving in together.... how did I feel?? Amazing!! I was so excited. He immediately went looking at houses for us and my two daughters and we found the most perfect home to move into after Christmas. WE had a lovely Christmas and the next few weeks were filled with packing boxes etc.

two weeks after moving in together, he was out at work and I went on the laptop to find his facebook open and messages to other girls asking for sex, pictures of private parts and descriptions of what they wanted to do to each other. I was in shock! I never expected this from him. At all!! I text him, asked him what the hell was going on and to come home, he just replied "Do you want to work through it?). He came home and broken down and when I say broke down I mean it. Shaking, rocking, crying, pulling his hair, anxiety attacks it was awful. He explained that he has been diagnosed with PTSD and Bi Polar type 2, that he was a mess, ashamed of himself, of his actions and that he couldn't even go to work with out having a panic attack. He said that went sending the messages he was completely detached to reality, that he didn't know why he did it and that he would have never gone through with anything. He was so self conscious about himself be very rarely took stood naked in front of me or took the lead in the bedroom. I was so sad for him. That he was going through such a terrible illness by himself and no one at all knew. An illness that had made him think and act in such self deprecating ways. I just held him.

We decided to work through it. I went with him to his counselling as he was having panic attacks on the way to the base and I encouraged him to tell the councillor everything. We too when to relate but we found it not to be helpful and too much for him to cope with two different methods of counselling.

Although I understood it was an illness, on the other hand I became very low. I thought it was my fault, that he wouldn't have done this if I was good enough for him, attractive enough, more fun..... I became very insecure and jealous. Although we agreed to but it behind us and move on, I struggled intermittently with insecurities. He was amazing, it was like a weight had been lifted from his shoulders, he was open and honest with his feelings, attentive, relaxed, loving and our sex life got better and better. On the outside we were perfect, but my insecurities bubbled underneath and occasional I wouldn't be able to control them. Id see one of the girls, hear something etc and it would et me off. If I had had a drink it was worse. Sometimes when he tried to reassure me I was just blinkered to it. We had a few arguments during this time, mostly fuelled by drink. He would become defensive, which would make me worse then he would take off for a night or two, no replying to text messages or phone calls. Looking back it must have been so hard for him. He must have felt so guilty seeing the hurt in my face when we argued, bringing back up things he was ashamed of. I started having counselling for me.

A great Christmas followed, then my boyfriend started a new job. I was worried that he was taking too much on too soon, he was doing a full time university course and now working 4 days a week in a responsible position at a school. Not to mention that he was coping with adjusting to life as a civilian. I kept asking if he was ok, how he felt, if he was happy. I know that this annoyed him. I was also getting a bit stressed out. I could deal with our life, our home, our friends, work uni, but now a new think that I wasn't involved in had been thrown into the mix.

Anyway, what had a silly drunken argument one night and he took off, that was 2 months ago.
For the first two weeks he wouldn't reply to messages or agree to meet up. He completely isolated himself.
He has since met up with me on three occasions and everything has been like normal. All the feelings are still there, we sit and snuggle on the sofa, cuddle and chat to each other all be it about day to day stuff as he will not discuss the relationship or his mental health in any way.

He has had a few days when he has obviously been on a downer, texting thinks like I don't care about anything anymore, you should never have bothered with me, you would have been better off if you had never met me.

He has not collected his things from the house even though I have packed them all up and he has been over, he hasn't changed bills or post, he still replied to messages and agrees to meet up (about once every two days) He has agreed to a phone call tonight and most importantly I have arranged a Veterans Out Reach appointment with my doctor and he has agreed to come.

I have been his support for a long time, he has never told any of his friends about his illness.

I guess what I am looking for is opinions. I cant give up on him he is far too important but I am worried about making a fool of myself and holding onto something that may never come back.

Does this sound like the typical waves of a relationship with someone with PTDS and Bi Polar?
 
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Hi

You need to speak to my poor wife as she has been putting up with me and my issues for the past few years or more. I too am an ex service man, and yes the pressure of the forces to be strong and not weak is huge, also as you mentioned the transformation to civvy street is very hard as I was no longer a soldier, but in my head I wasn't a civilian, so in effect I felt like I didn't belong anywhere.

The embarrassment is also too much to bear, as the forces teaches you to be proud of who you are, and you do feel like you are acting when in the services..and always scared of being caught out, soldiers don't handle being scared of anything, hence we just shut up, or run away from difficult emotional situations. We just cant cope with them.

I wish I had a magic wand for you and if I am honest, the advice I would honestly give would be for my wife (and you) is to find a way out, as I also feel very ashamed of myself which then brings low self esteem, remembering that as a soldier your self esteem and confidence is huge. When we leave the forces we are like a lost child in a world we don't understand.

If you chose to stand by and help him through this, then you need to understand just how hard it can be..and if you are not up fr the battles then the kindest thing to do is to leave him. The worst thing that can happen to us, is that we seek help, and confront our fears to then find the one we love most just cant or doesn't want to do it any more, or as I found out, my wife sought the comfort of another man, who didn't have my issues and was an escape for her..that hurt me more than a bullet. I find writing things down helps as then it leaves my head instead of thoughts keep rolling around and around.

I have recently stopped (almost) drinking alcohol, as that was my trigger to fall apart. I would say things I shouldn't, I would fight, and make choices I should never have made. I suppose what I am saying is that think hard and long, and if you do decide to stick with him, then don't run away mid way through.

Good luck, .and if your boyfriend wants to chat to an old soldier with very similar issues then let me know and I am more than happy to send you my email address. Take care
 
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Thank you so much for your reply it means a great deal to me....

To be honest I have made my decision and my decision is to stay, because when he is "well" he is the most amazing man I have ever been with. We have the most amazing foundations to our relationship. We are in love, best friends, happy, enjoy the same things, have fun, same aspirations in life the list is endless.... the problem we do have however is his ability to shut off when the going gets tough. He admits he is not as strong as me.

It has been the worst 2 months of my life. But I am still here because I can not turn my back on him like I know he feels others have.

He still texts me, we meet up and everything is amazing, like nothing has happened, he is going to call me tonight and the most important thing I feel is that he has agreed to the Veterans Outreach service appointment. I know that this isn't going to be the quick fix that I would want but I am hopeful that it will set us on the road to recovery.

Is it a good sign that he hasn't totally cut all contact and that he is going to attend the appointment?

Any help or insight you can give me is greatly appreciated because right now he wont talk about the relationship or his feelings/health... in fact if I try and bring it up he looks physically in pain.

I have supported and stood by him for two and a half years now, I have had many chances to get out but I have always chosen to stay.

He stays that I would have been better off if I had never bothered with him..... what he doesn't realise is that I chose him many many times...
 
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Good on you..He is a lucky man.agreeing to go to the Vets outreach is a very positive approach, but don't feel angry or hurt if he doesn't make the appointment I

f drinking is an issue I would strongly suggest getting some help for that, as it does mean we/he can escape his emotions or turn hurt and pain into anger. The other hard part for you is not caving in or feeling you cant say what you want to say. I would suggest that say what you have to, but be careful how you deliver the message. Texting and emails can be read in the emotion the person who is reading it is feeling, so the more you talk, the more he will.

Humour wins hands down, make light out of some tricky issues, and try as hard as you can, not to judge or blame, I think this must be very hard for partners as it must be exhausting putting up with how we are. Make sure you have good support, but a top tip is try not to discuss it with family and friends as you will be surprised at how little empathy people have over this illness.

If you do confide in a family member or friend, then please chose wisely, as if he thinks people are talking about him, or judging him, he will run and hide. It's what I do anyhow. I am always being told to exercise as it helps, but when you are having black days or weeks the last thing you feel lie ding is going for a run.

I was put on Prozac, but had to take myself of them, as I took the lot one night, so that didnt really help :).

Make sure you get time for yourself.

Does he have family support around him? an older brother or a sister........?????

Also don't assume that it is his military background that is the core issue, it could be something from his past, I was sexually abused many times, and I think carrying the shame of that for years is what the underline issue is, but to be honest it can be many things.

You would be surprised how many people join the forces to escape from something at home (why else would we offer our lives up?) If you feel comfortable enough, ask him to write you a letter...dont say what the content should be..let him decide....he will know what to say....and he will say it as and when he is ready.

Make special time for each other...go away for the odd weekend, go out to dinner...make him feel special and important, and us men need to feel needed. I would also suggest reading men are from Mars. You might find that a strange suggestion, but it will also help you understand the differences with men and women in general, which then helps you with how to try and understand why we do what we do as men ish.

Support for you is crucial, as he needs you to be strong, while he isn't being so...but trust me......once he gets the right he and understands some part of what's happening to him, you will see more and more of the man you know he is.

Does he smoke weed? the reason I ask that is nearly all the ex squaddies I know either drink far too much or smoke too much or both, its a self medicating way to escape mentally, its the only thing that seems to work for me, but I know many people that it makes them worse, so I wouldn't suggest it as way to make things better, plus he will eat all your biscuits (see you have to smile) Laughter is a massive help, but hard to remember when things are as bad as they sometimes do get.

Also money troubles will make things a lot worse as its another way of being a failure in his mind.and the loan companies and banks etc...hassle the hell out of you so then you cant answer the phone, you stop opening mail, and then it just goes down and down from there.

I am not sure if any of this will help.

My wife got a book called walking on egg shells, its supposed to be very good.

I spent a lot of time on you tube looking into PTSD and BPD, and I cried when I realised there are many people out there who are as messed up as I am, as he will think its just him, and no one will or could ever understand.

I am in Australia so soon off to bed as Manu are on at 2.30 in the morn and is now 12.15am, so better go try and sleep some.

My personal email is...whoops it wont let me put it down, so please feel free to email or like I said if your boyfriend wants to chat to somebody in the same boat, then I am here.

Oh and by the way....women are a lot stronger than us men emotionally
 
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Your post has had me in tears.... it is so wonderful to hear from someone that understands.... even if he is a man u supporter (Leeds lass)

I have my fingers crossed for the appointment, it def seems like a good step, he has admitted that he needs help and accepted it from me.... two weeks to go!

No he doesn't drink so much only socially and he doesn't take any drugs he totally against it.

He doesn't have any family baring his mum who isn't really an emotional help as she too has mental health issues.

He has never spoken about his illnesses with his friends (Male bravardo) and told me once that it was important to him that he had a façade and people saw him as this strong, fun loving carefree guy.

I made the mistake of talking to some of his friends... as he cut me out I was worried that he was going to head down a slippery rope that he had been down before and after the amount of work we had put in over the last year or so, together or not I didn't want this to happen. You are so right, a few saw. oh wow he makes so much sense now but then are happy to just let him be and continue burying his head in the sand as from the outside he seems ok to them and they just think I am a crazy ex! He is even currently living with an ex para who himself has admitted that he has similar issues but they don't talk about it, they just let each other be.

We have spoken many times about the origin of him PTSD and it is an accumulation of many things in his life that all happened at the same time when he returned from Afghanistan.

I'm not sure that we are in a position at the moment that I can ask him to write me a letter, as right now he is saying that the relationship is over and has shut himself down to any talk of us. Although he is contradicting himself as he hasn't collected his things from the house (He only took an over night bag two months ago) replies to my messages, if I don't message him for a few days he will get in touch with something trivial, when we meet up it is so lovely, he is coming on Sunday and I am cooking then we are hopefully going out to do a quiz, but it is only like this if I don't discuss anything heavy, he is going to call me tonight and I intend to just keep the conversation light about work and what we have been up to.

I am having counselling and also have the support of many of my friends so am coping quite well.

I mentioned to him about dating but he refused however he does come over as long as I don't label it a date he seems happy with this.

I hope that the frequency of these meet ups will increase, I just need to keep a check of my emotions because when I get upset, frustrated or angry he backs off again. I know I have every right to feel this way but don't think he can handle his own feelings right now never mind mine.

I cant wait for him to come back again :(
 
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No real advice, but I want to say this because a lot of people don't understand this. I mean that social drinking is ok for many people and not cause for alarm. But, alcohol is a cause for concern when you throw PTSD into the mix, and even more so for someone who is bipolar as they have a further level of mood disregulation and alcohol is a downer.

I feel the need to mention this as in my experience, people look at me in disbelief when I tell them I don't drink at all. I think they're shocked that something that makes most feel good can put me into a sheer state of terror. (Half a beer and I can wake up from a dead sleep in a full blown panic attack).

His reaction may not be as severe, as it isn't for many, but my point is that for those with PTSD (and especially bipolar disorder), any amount of alcohol can be problematic. And, it may not seem obvious to anyone else (or even to him) that it is affecting him. That's why I suggest that sufferers don't drink at all while actively trying to heal, and only add in alcohol later on when more stable.
 
Got the appointment with the Veterans out reach service today... I am so nervous!

I know its not going to be the quick fix that I want but I am really worried about it. What he will say, how much he will open up, im worried that he will say that he cant cope with a relationship and doesn't see us heading in the same direction I do....

I feel sick :(
 
My partner is definitely down since the counselling. He has been extremely distant and non responsive since, cancelled our plans at the weekend, then text to say he couldn't just be friends with me and we shouldn't see each other again. Then text this the next morning about the wedding we are going to at the weekend together, then changed his mind later to say he couldn't go, now he's going??? My head is spinning but in trying to not let his mood effect me but he's chaotic and unhealthy right now. He said he feels very bad and angry and he doesn't know why and then brought up things that happened when we first met? Confusing!!

Well, we are going to the wedding this weekend, 2 nights away just the two of us in Liverpool.
He seems to have moved on from whatever was effecting him at the weekend a little. I was angry yesterday and said that I couldn't do it anymore, that I didn't deserve this etc...
He replied and said he was sorry, and he did appreciate all that I do for him.
I said that we go to the wedding, have fun and then afterwards we either try and talk things through to see if we can move on together, our he collects all his things from that house and that's it because this situation has become so chaotic and destruction that its unhealthy for both of us. I made some suggestions like him having his time mon-fri for work and uni then us on a weekend, or that the children will be self sufficient in 6 years max so we could work it around that and have something separate for us, that I didn't know but felt it was workable, he said ok and that he didn't know what we should do either.

So now I have pulled back he seems to have maybe stepped closer. But now I am very nervous about this weekend, I now we will have an amazing time we always do when we are together, im just unsure as to how to handle myself, Obviously I want us to move forward but im not sure how to speak about it whilst being supportive and not adding pressure. I have told him he needs to think about what he wants in his life over the next few days and what makes him happy.

Any comments appreciated from anyone whos had a partner come back and how they dealt/spoke to them without seeming demanding or stressy with it or a sufferer or anyone else!!! My stomach is in knots!!!
 
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Posting today as im in need of some strength....Feeling very down, anxious and emotional today.

My partner and I went to the cinema on Saturday night and for something to eat, we had a good time and he stayed over at the house and I saw him for a coffee yesterday.

Im feeling pretty anxious today, not sure why but I just want to get to Friday so we can go away for a few days. I just feel so sad today, I want to know what is going on in his head and how he feels about me, its just all so confusing right now I just want to cry I feel like im walking on egg shells again so not to push him or put pressure on him but on the inside im screaming "Whats going on here???" x
 
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